GUILTY IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 #4

[AnaTeresa]

Interesting that you mention Kitty Genovese. I was just a kid when I first read about her case (in a True Crime magazine) and remember feeling sick inside to learn how many could have helped, and chose not to. I have no doubt it was reading her case at such a young age that shaped my thinking about this kind of thing.

It's not so cut and dried as that. The idea that so many people stood by idle in the Genovese case is more of a myth shaped by a newspaper article than actual fact.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/

 

[JeannaT]

It's not so cut and dried as that. The idea that so many people stood by idle in the Genovese case is more of a myth shaped by a newspaper article than actual fact.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/

Wow, how interesting, AnaTeresa. This misinformation story was a staple of my Sociology Education in college in the early 1980's. It was widely believed, and theories involved the fact that in groups of people, if someone doesn't react quickly no one is likely to react. The group will be paralyzed into activity. Also, that in crowding, people become hardened to the suffering of others. It's great to know that many did try to help but weren't able to affect a rescue.

 

[bessie]

It's not so cut and dried as that. The idea that so many people stood by idle in the Genovese case is more of a myth shaped by a newspaper article than actual fact.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/

Thanks for the article, Ana. I recently watched a dramatization of the Kitty Genovese murder based on Cook's findings on ID. It was an eye opener after so many years of believing the original tale. Most shocking was the behavior of Kitty's friend Ross, who didn't call police even after he saw the killer standing over her. The narrator speculates, however, that he was apprehensive because he was homosexual, and NYPD had a bad rep for mistreating homosexuals.

http://www.investigationdiscovery.c.../kitty-genovese-wasnt-your-typical-60s-woman/

 

[bessie]

I came across the un-redacted PC affidavit. Of interest are the phone numbers. Instead of three numbers, there are five, which was difficult to discern from the redacted document.

Sprint 600-0xxx -
Watson's number on file with parole office, which he claimed belonged to his sister.
Remained in the area of the Cottages for the duration.
Tracked to ABu's apartment, and found in possession of his gf.

T-Mobile 652-6xxx -
Gordon's number on file with parole office.
Used by DG and JW as they moved around to the ATM's, etc.
Placed five calls to 864-3xxx "from the time of the initial burglary until after the successful ATM transaction", (approx. 4:40 A.M.-6:54 A.M.).

Verizon 864-7xxx -
Taylor's phone
Activity recorded from 6:38 A.M. to 7:10 A.M. from Sunnyfield Ct.
Only communicated with DG's phone.

208-0xxx -
Second number on file for DG.
DG's first number made a call to this number at 4:40 A.M. while the first burglary (San Clemente) was in progress.
No other details provided for this number in the affidavit.

864-3xxx -
Received five calls from DG's phone from approximately 4:40 A.M. until 6:54 A.M.
No other details are given for this number.

Who was using the last two phones? And where were they when they received calls from DG?

I have an idea who was using 864-3xxx, and if I'm right, he wasn't necessarily sitting back at the Cottages while the crimes were going down. Since no details are given, we can't place the phone at any given location, but it opens up possibilities. Was he driving a dark SUV?

pdf pp. 20-22

https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

 

[MaxManning]

I came across the un-redacted PC affidavit. Of interest are the phone numbers. Instead of three numbers, there are five, which was difficult to discern from the redacted document.

Sprint 600-0xxx -
Watson's number on file with parole office, which he claimed belonged to his sister.
Remained in the area of the Cottages for the duration.
Tracked to ABu's apartment, and found in possession of his gf.

T-Mobile 652-6xxx -
Gordon's number on file with parole office.
Used by DG and JW as they moved around to the ATM's, etc.
Placed five calls to 864-3xxx "from the time of the initial burglary until after the successful ATM transaction", (approx. 4:40 A.M.-6:54 A.M.).

Verizon 864-7xxx -
Taylor's phone
Activity recorded from 6:38 A.M. to 7:10 A.M. from Sunnyfield Ct.
Only communicated with DG's phone.

208-0xxx -
Second number on file for DG.
DG's first number made a call to this number at 4:40 A.M. while the first burglary (San Clemente) was in progress.
No other details provided for this number in the affidavit.

864-3xxx -
Received five calls from DG's phone from approximately 4:40 A.M. until 6:54 A.M.
No other details are given for this number.

Who was using the last two phones? And where were they when they received calls from DG?

I have an idea who was using 864-3xxx, and if I'm right, he wasn't necessarily sitting back at the Cottages while the crimes were going down. Since no details are given, we can't place the phone at any given location, but it opens up possibilities. Was he driving a dark SUV?


https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

Am I just imagining that this black suv was caught on camera ? I could have sworn I've seen an image of that black suv, but i cannot find it now. It was also not mentioned in the PC doc.

Seems odd that we don't have location information on the last phone.

So DG and ABull trade details to be left out of the murder charges ?

ABull being out and in the mix as opposed to back at the cottages , answers alot of questions I have about why he'd be in so much contact. If he was out there with them as the guy picking up stolen goods, then that makes more sense. Possibly who they meet near the cemetery when dumping the sebring?

 

[Peppery]

I came across the un-redacted PC affidavit. Of interest are the phone numbers. Instead of three numbers, there are five, which was difficult to discern from the redacted document.

Sprint 600-0xxx -
Watson's number on file with parole office, which he claimed belonged to his sister.
Remained in the area of the Cottages for the duration.
Tracked to ABu's apartment, and found in possession of his gf.

T-Mobile 652-6xxx -
Gordon's number on file with parole office.
Used by DG and JW as they moved around to the ATM's, etc.
Placed five calls to 864-3xxx "from the time of the initial burglary until after the successful ATM transaction", (approx. 4:40 A.M.-6:54 A.M.).

Verizon 864-7xxx -
Taylor's phone
Activity recorded from 6:38 A.M. to 7:10 A.M. from Sunnyfield Ct.
Only communicated with DG's phone.

208-0xxx -
Second number on file for DG.
DG's first number made a call to this number at 4:40 A.M. while the first burglary (San Clemente) was in progress.
No other details provided for this number in the affidavit.

864-3xxx -
Received five calls from DG's phone from approximately 4:40 A.M. until 6:54 A.M.
No other details are given for this number.

Who was using the last two phones? And where were they when they received calls from DG?

I have an idea who was using 864-3xxx, and if I'm right, he wasn't necessarily sitting back at the Cottages while the crimes were going down. Since no details are given, we can't place the phone at any given location, but it opens up possibilities. Was he driving a dark SUV?


https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

I think the 864-3xxx number belongs to the phone stolen from the San Clemente burglary.


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[Peppery]

It also struck me how DG didn't go into the Blackburn house and was dropped off when Watson went back to get Taylor.

Why?

I can see that he possibly stayed with the car and maybe was a lookout rather than going in the Blackburn residence. It would be good to know if he entered the first Sunnyfield home or the San Clemente apartment. The video of San
Clemente did show one person who stayed in the doorway.

The bigger question I have is why was Gordan dropped off at the entrance to the addition, Taylor was picked up, then Gordan was picked back up. Why did he get out for presumably just a few minutes and risk being seen? Did he know Taylor killed or had planned to kill Amanda and didn't want to be connected with him/the location? Why did he get back in?


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[bessie]

I think the 864-3xxx number belongs to the phone stolen from the San Clemente burglary.


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If that's true, why would DG and JW call the number five times?

I think what's more important than who owned the phone is who was in possession of the phone when it received those five calls.

It also struck me how DG didn't go into the Blackburn house and was dropped off when Watson went back to get Taylor.

Why?

I can see that he possibly stayed with the car and maybe was a lookout rather than going in the Blackburn residence. It would be good to know if he entered the first Sunnyfield home or the San Clemente apartment. The video of San
Clemente did show one person who stayed in the doorway.

The bigger question I have is why was Gordan dropped off at the entrance to the addition, Taylor was picked up, then Gordan was picked back up. Why did he get out for presumably just a few minutes and risk being seen? Did he know Taylor killed or had planned to kill Amanda and didn't want to be connected with him/the location? Why did he get back in?


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DG and JW didn't want to go back to pick up LT after the ATM transactions. By that time, they likely knew LT had committed the murder. ABu told them that they couldn't leave LT because he was "family".

My guess is that DG didn't want to risk being seen near the house once he knew murder was involved. He might also have lied when he said he didn't go inside the house in an attempt to save himself from being charged with murder.

JMO

 

[bessie]

Am I just imagining that this black suv was caught on camera ? I could have sworn I've seen an image of that black suv, but i cannot find it now. It was also not mentioned in the PC doc.

Seems odd that we don't have location information on the last phone.

So DG and ABull trade details to be left out of the murder charges ?

ABull being out and in the mix as opposed to back at the cottages , answers alot of questions I have about why he'd be in so much contact. If he was out there with them as the guy picking up stolen goods, then that makes more sense. Possibly who they meet near the cemetery when dumping the sebring?

No image of the dark colored SUV has been released. It was mentioned at the first press conference, and in news reports. It was captured on video, and neighbors reported seeing it leave the area around 6:01.

The PC was used to charge JW and LT. If burglary charges come later against ABu, or some other as yet unnamed third party, the missing details about the last phone and the SUV likely will be included in the related PC affidavit. JMO

ETA: Another thought about the SUV and the reason why it's not mentioned in the affidavit -- DG said the televisions were loaded into the Sebring. Obviously, that's far-fetched, and we know a dark SUV was in the area that morning. So why leave it out of the story? IMO, DG omitted to mention the SUV because to do so would implicate one or more individuals higher up on the food chain than himself. Rather than die a snitch, he tried to play both ends against the middle.

"At approximately 6:00 there was a camera from west of the burglarized home that captured a dark colored SUV driving quickly down the street."

"Approximately one minute later that vehicle was then seen leaving."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...vasion-Indianapolis-4&p=12211915#post12211915

 

[Peppery]

If that's true, why would DG and JW call the number five times?

I think what's more important than who owned the phone is who was in possession of the phone when it received those five calls.

DG and JW didn't want to go back to pick up LT after the ATM transactions. By that time, they likely knew LT had committed the murder. ABu told them that they couldn't leave LT because he was "family".

My guess is that DG didn't want to risk being seen near the house once he knew murder was involved. He might also have lied when he said he didn't go inside the house in an attempt to save himself from being charged with murder.

JMO

Ahh, you're right about the calls TO 864-3xxx. So that phone called Gordan's phone 5 times.

A person wouldn't call someone who was in a car with them, so 864-3xxx probably wasn't in the Sebring. And now I have a theory on how the black SUV fits in.


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[pepelepolecat]

respectfully snipped for brevity

https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

On page 15, it mentions a roll of duct tape. That really, really bothers me. Did they have something else planned? Or am I reading too much into it?

 

[bessie]

Ahh, you're right about the calls TO 864-3xxx. So that phone called Gordan's phone 5 times.

A person wouldn't call someone who was in a car with them, so 864-3xxx probably wasn't in the Sebring. And now I have a theory on how the black SUV fits in.


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Actually, it's the other way around. Gordon's phone placed five calls to 864-3xxx.

ETA: And we don't know if the SUV was black. It's only described as "dark colored".

 

[bessie]

On page 15, it mentions a roll of duct tape. That really, really bothers me. Did they have something else planned? Or am I reading too much into it?

We discussed it in the last thread. Hard to say whether they brought it or not, or whether it was used in the crime. One thing I did note is that no pieces of duct tape were listed among items recovered from the house. Nor has it been mentioned that duct tape was found on AB's body. So I guess the answer is that we simply don't know.

 

[Ontario Mom]

It's not so cut and dried as that. The idea that so many people stood by idle in the Genovese case is more of a myth shaped by a newspaper article than actual fact.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/

Wow, I have never revisited that case in all these years. I had no idea the public opinion was so skewed by the media reporting but now that you mention it, I guess nothing much has changed there either.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I came across the un-redacted PC affidavit. Of interest are the phone numbers. Instead of three numbers, there are five, which was difficult to discern from the redacted document.

Sprint 600-0xxx -
Watson's number on file with parole office, which he claimed belonged to his sister.
Remained in the area of the Cottages for the duration.
Tracked to ABu's apartment, and found in possession of his gf.

T-Mobile 652-6xxx -
Gordon's number on file with parole office.
Used by DG and JW as they moved around to the ATM's, etc.
Placed five calls to 864-3xxx "from the time of the initial burglary until after the successful ATM transaction", (approx. 4:40 A.M.-6:54 A.M.).

Verizon 864-7xxx -
Taylor's phone
Activity recorded from 6:38 A.M. to 7:10 A.M. from Sunnyfield Ct.
Only communicated with DG's phone.

208-0xxx -
Second number on file for DG.
DG's first number made a call to this number at 4:40 A.M. while the first burglary (San Clemente) was in progress.
No other details provided for this number in the affidavit.

864-3xxx -
Received five calls from DG's phone from approximately 4:40 A.M. until 6:54 A.M.
No other details are given for this number.

Who was using the last two phones? And where were they when they received calls from DG?

I have an idea who was using 864-3xxx, and if I'm right, he wasn't necessarily sitting back at the Cottages while the crimes were going down. Since no details are given, we can't place the phone at any given location, but it opens up possibilities. Was he driving a dark SUV?

pdf pp. 20-22

https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

I knew there was another PC out there - someone earlier in the thread mentioned it but for the life of me I couldn't find it. Thank you for this bessie!

 

[Peppery]

Actually, it's the other way around. Gordon's phone placed five calls to 864-3xxx.

ETA: And we don't know if the SUV was black. It's only described as "dark colored".

I'm sorry, Bessie, I read that PC a dozen times and still managed to confuse myself with all the phone numbers.


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[night train]

I came across the un-redacted PC affidavit. Of interest are the phone numbers. Instead of three numbers, there are five, which was difficult to discern from the redacted document.

Sprint 600-0xxx -
Watson's number on file with parole office, which he claimed belonged to his sister.
Remained in the area of the Cottages for the duration.
Tracked to ABu's apartment, and found in possession of his gf.

T-Mobile 652-6xxx -
Gordon's number on file with parole office.
Used by DG and JW as they moved around to the ATM's, etc.
Placed five calls to 864-3xxx "from the time of the initial burglary until after the successful ATM transaction", (approx. 4:40 A.M.-6:54 A.M.).

Verizon 864-7xxx -
Taylor's phone
Activity recorded from 6:38 A.M. to 7:10 A.M. from Sunnyfield Ct.
Only communicated with DG's phone.

208-0xxx -
Second number on file for DG.
DG's first number made a call to this number at 4:40 A.M. while the first burglary (San Clemente) was in progress.
No other details provided for this number in the affidavit.

864-3xxx -
Received five calls from DG's phone from approximately 4:40 A.M. until 6:54 A.M.
No other details are given for this number.

Who was using the last two phones? And where were they when they received calls from DG?

I have an idea who was using 864-3xxx, and if I'm right, he wasn't necessarily sitting back at the Cottages while the crimes were going down. Since no details are given, we can't place the phone at any given location, but it opens up possibilities. Was he driving a dark SUV?

pdf pp. 20-22

https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

A crazy part of the times we live in,it wasn't that many years ago when this all might have occured without a single phone call.For Amanda's husband and her killer(s) it seems that one way or another everyone's cell phones are interwoven throughout the events of that terrible morning.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I accept that DB is 100% cleared and is a victim.

I don't see him as a likable guy and understanding that he did not know his wife was dying inside the house for the 50 minutes, I ding him as a husband (from my pov) for not going inside when this was a weekly conversation with a long time friend. His wife is more important than his friend. (Or should be). She was early pg with a toddler who is what 18 months old. She needed help!

A poster said she was detecting criticism and I'm explaining where my criticism comes from. I feel very bad for Davey and his son. I imagine it will be very hard to move on from this and I imagine DB will need at least 4 or so months off before he can begin to rebuild his life.

ETA: the sermon Wagner gave tells is his own words about the phone call and how he found out about Amanda's murdef

I don't think Amanda needed help with one child. I am sure she was like many other mothers who are perfectly capable of caring for their children. She stayed home during the week with Weston while Davey went to the church everyday.

At first I didn't exactly know how to take Pastor Davey but the more I read about him I realized it was the age difference in my Pastor who is much older than young Pastor Davey along with me being much older too. Then I realized his congregation is mostly made up of young people around his and Amanda's age. Imo, younger Pastors probably think they can reach their young members far better if they are more relaxed and openingly talk about subjects that most of them have to face in their lives now. To someone older like me it may sound too personal but to his congregation, imo, they like how he relates to them on a personal level and is honest and open. He let them know he and Amanda also went through some of the same trials and tribulations most every human being has to go through sometime in life. He didn't pretend their life was perfect just because he was a Pastor. I find that very admirable.

The more I listened to his messages (not the snipped- out of context ones) the more I liked what he said in his messages. I think Pastor Davey is a very likeable man. Funerals are really for the family members left behind and over 2K showed up to support the Blackburn family. Imo, he is loved by many just like Amanda was.

And I think Amanda truly loved her husband for the man he is and how he preaches the love for Jesus. I never agreed she was unhappy with what he said. There just wasn't one shred of evidence to support that position. This was a church he AND Amanda started together. They had known each other many years before they married. They knew each others personalities and they also knew how each believed when teaching the word of the Gospel. None of what Pastor Davey has said was ever foreign to his wife, imo, this is what she believed also. This was the man she had known for a very long time and she knew his preaching style for a very long time. I think Amanda was so proud of Davey...not only as a devoted loving husband but as a loving and devoted daddy to Weston. But equally important to her was how he saved souls and led them to Jesus and how he gave them hope.

I think Davey is very close with Amanda's parents. I think all of them are there for him and Weston and will be as long as it takes, and he too, is there for all of her family as well. It really seems they were all very close. There is nothing greater than to have God's love and the love of family (both sides) to get through the darkest times of great despair.

IMO

 

[mom2six]

Do we know when hearings are scheduled start in this case? I'm waiting with baited breath to hear what defense these two will mount.

 

[bessie]

Do we know when hearings are scheduled start in this case? I'm waiting with baited breath to hear what defense these two will mount.

They're not due back in court until January. Sorry, no link right now. I'll add it later.

I don't expect to see much in the way of a defense. What defense could they possibly offer?

I think Watson eventually will cop a plea to a lesser offense, and Taylor will plead guilty to all counts. If the other three are willing to testify that he confessed to leaning over and firing the mortal wound into Amanda's head, in addition to the physical evidence, I don't see where he has a snowball's chance in hell. Not to mention, sexual assault doesn't seem to be completely off the table. Then there are charges for the rape and other burglaries still pending. Imo, more charges are to come.

http://wishtv.com/2015/11/24/dna-ev...ds-help-track-down-blackburn-murder-suspects/