Found Deceased IN - Jacqueline Watts, 33, Columbus, 3 March 2017

  • #261
Again, just a theory, but I think either one of her dogs ran off during the drop-off, or soon afterwards. Often dogs can run too fast to be caught on foot so perhaps she was circling the area in her car and caught sight of it on someone's land. Or possibly she had started her journey home/airport after the drop-off and she got a call from a panicky parent that dog had escaped and she returned to search...

Trying to think it both ways here ...

IMO, if Jackie had already dropped her pets off at her parents, and they subsequently called her to say that one of her dogs had escaped, then her parents would have been aware of what had happened and I don't think LE would initially class her death as suspicious.

On the other hand, I think if Jackie had not yet arrived at her parents to drop the pets off, I can't see why she would stop her vehicle so close to her parents' home and open a door, resulting in one or both of her dogs getting loose. If only one had escaped, I doubt she would leave the car door open for the other dog to also escape.

ETA: I wonder where the rabbit is. Presumably it would be in a cage to protect it from the dogs (just meaning that 2 big dogs tromping around a little rabbit loose in the car would not be safe for the little guy). The fact it was not mentioned that the rabbit was in the vehicle with cell phone and purse leads me to believe that Jackie had already dropped the pets off.

All JMO
 
  • #262
I don't think there are ties to the Delphi case, but thought I post a photo of the Flatrock River Bridge https://bridgehunter.com/in/bartholomew/bh41924/

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  • #263
  • #264
Trying to think it both ways here ...

IMO, if Jackie had already dropped her pets off at her parents, and they subsequently called her to say that one of her dogs had escaped, then her parents would have been aware of what had happened and I don't think LE would initially class her death as suspicious.

On the other hand, I think if Jackie had not yet arrived at her parents to drop the pets off, I can't see why she would stop her vehicle so close to her parents' home and open a door, resulting in one or both of her dogs getting loose. If only one had escaped, I doubt she would leave the car door open for the other dog to also escape.

ETA: I wonder where the rabbit is. Presumably it would be in a cage to protect it from the dogs (just meaning that 2 big dogs tromping around a little rabbit loose in the car would not be safe for the little guy). The fact it was not mentioned that the rabbit was in the vehicle with cell phone and purse leads me to believe that Jackie had already dropped the pets off.

All JMO

From the first information I saw with her picture and missing information, it was stated that she had dropped the dogs off at one set of parent's house and the rabbit off at the other parent's (in-laws) house. Since LE did not confirm the dogs were dropped off, I will state that it is my opinion that that had already been done. It seems she did a lot of running around that day so I wonder if she pulled over to send a text to her husband giving an update. From there, the possibilities of what happened are a number of things. All JMO
 
  • #265
8.) Noblitt Park is attached to the much more populated Mill Race Park by a series of heavily wooded trails that run alongside the river. Mostly used now for joggers, bikers and fishermen. There are some defunct train trestles back there and some park benches. Noblitt Park itself is rarely used for much of anything. There are a few fields used to practice baseball and a parking lot. Rumored to be a hangout for deviants and drug users. Before being renovated during the late 80's/early 90's into the parks they are today, the entire area used to be populated by impoverished vagabonds and drifters.
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Thank you for all you have shared and so very sorry for your friend, Jacke, and all who loved her.

Although I can't believe this could be related to Delphi suspect (how bizarre that would be)...there are some similarities in your description of the park...right down to cemetary nearby.

So, again thank you for taking time to help us understand some more...
 
  • #266
Was trying to help you all understand what happened to Jackie. Since my input is not wanted, and I already know she didn't commit suicide and wasn't murdered, my time here is done. Good luck with your wild theories.

I understand how difficult it is to read the speculation, but everyone here has a good heart. It possibly was a tragic, freak accident, BUT in the event it was not, Jackie deserves answers. LE (law enforcement) has not ruled her death an accident at this time. I wish all of Jackie's family and friends nothing but peace.
 
  • #267
Just found this thread today...

Oh no!

:rose: RIP JACQUELINE :rose:

Prayers and condolences to her family and friends and to you buddhababe...

If I was being pulled over by a cop, I would not turn on my flashers! Maybe my right signal blinker would go on... The only reason that I would put my flashers on would be that my car was broken down and/or I had to park my car part way on the road (was hers?) or I had to step out of my car for a second. Did she maybe climb out of the car from the passenger side? I would have IF it was a busy street and cars were passing by. Is this a busy street?

eucalyptuz said:
A video of the complete press release has now been posted and, if anything, it seems the LEO takes great pains to not use the word "killed".
ETA: the text accompanying the video does say 'killed' but I believe that is an interpretation by a fox journalist and not by police.

Then that would be "alternative facts"! LOL!

200 more posts to read.... :pcguru:
 
  • #268
I grew up in this neighborhood on Flat Rock Drive adjacent to Riverside Dr, which is NOT a busy street; in fact, it has very little traffic on it. It's very private and quiet. It's not a street you just drive down really unless you live in one of the houses up on the hill or were on a Sunday drive.

That's why this is so perplexing. Something took her down this road as she was presumably headed back east down Washington Street to US 31 towards Indy.

I used to have picnics in these woods....but the truth is this isn't the first time a body has been found down along this river. Vagrants and homeless have hung out there for decades.
 
  • #269
I grew up in this neighborhood on Flat Rock Drive adjacent to Riverside Dr, which is NOT a busy street; in fact, it has very little traffic on it. It's very private and quiet. It's not a street you just drive down really unless you live in one of the houses up on the hill or were on a Sunday drive.

That's why this is so perplexing. Something took her down this road as she was presumably headed back east down Washington Street to US 31 towards Indy.

I used to have picnics in these woods....but the truth is this isn't the first time a body has been found down along this river. Vagrants and homeless have hung out there for decades.

Respectfully bolded by me.......there is another post on here that states there were four possible routes she could have taken to head home. Is the route she was on when her car was found one of those routes?

ETA - if her family started trying to drive routes to look for her, would they go down this road?
 
  • #270
If she was in fact chasing a dog around, I would think the passenger door was open because it would likely be easier to get a dog straight into the car that way. She'd just have to get it to hop in there and shut the door behind it.
 
  • #271
Let me start off by saying that this is extremely tragic. My condolences to Jackie's family, friends, and pets. She was very genuine and had a kind heart. Truly one of a kind.
Additionally, everything stated in this post regarding possible motives is my opinion only and in no way meant to be presented as fact.

I am a Columbus native. I went to high school with Jackie and I lived on Riverside for a number of years. I have a background in Forensic Psychology but do not intend to present my opinion as a professional.
However, I have read some comments and questions that I would like to weigh-in on.

1.) There is NO WAY this was a suicide. Jackie would not have taken her own life.
2.) It is very unlikely this case is connected to the A and L case. The demographic doesn't fit. "Similar" isn't good enough for a preferential predator. It has to be exact.
3.) There COULD be a connection between this case and the March 3, 1989 case based on an anniversary killing theory. But the 1989 murder(s) were those of a spree killer, so unless there are other victims yet to be discovered this theory is also unlikely.
4.) It is entirely possible an innocent bystander opened the passenger car door and/or turned on the hazard lights. But if not, J was either forced to leave at gunpoint/bludgeoned by someone impersonating a police officer (won't know until Monday's autopsy) or valued whatever made her leave under her own volition more than her personal belongings (more than likely her own pet and not a stray, but possible).
5.) The water near where J's body was found was much too shallow to drown this time of year and is moderate in temperature (50's) for much of March. However, it is important to note that this particular river is prone to flooding. See: Columbus Flood of 2008
6.) J could have taken four possible routes to her destination from Indianapolis. Three of which are through Taylorsville. (One from Exit 76 on I-65, one on Highway 31 to Washington St. and the other on Highway 31 to Indianapolis Road). The last route is Exit 68 on I-65 to State Road 46.
7.) There are numerous gas stations along each of these routes whereas they are located near major highways and interstates. The two closest gas stations to where her car was found are located on the corner of US 31/National Road and Washington St. (Village Pantry) and on the corner of 11th St. and Washington St. (Marathon).
8.) Noblitt Park is attached to the much more populated Mill Race Park by a series of heavily wooded trails that run alongside the river. Mostly used now for joggers, bikers and fishermen. There are some defunct train trestles back there and some park benches. Noblitt Park itself is rarely used for much of anything. There are a few fields used to practice baseball and a parking lot. Rumored to be a hangout for deviants and drug users. Before being renovated during the late 80's/early 90's into the parks they are today, the entire area used to be populated by impoverished vagabonds and drifters.
9.) The closest golf course is quite far away (at least 2 miles) from the crime scene. Not sure what this speculation is about or where it came from.
10.) Columbus has a very low crime rate. Although it is increasing due to the drug trade (Meth in particular) and a general increase in population due to an expanding job market. With that said, Riverside is one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the city with houses that definitely have security cameras. Whether they will be of any use is yet to be determined.

Unless deemed 'inconclusive,' the results of the autopsy will answer most, if not all the questions we have. It is just a waiting game now. But again, the tragedy of this can not be overstated. So sad.

[BBM = Bolded By Me]

Thank you, 11051605, and welcome to "group"! Your insight and information are very much appreciated.
 
  • #272
My understanding is her car was just a couple of blocks from where her relatives live so one would assume they would go down this road if they had gone out looking for her.

Yes, the route she was on could lead to one of the four routes mentioned here. She was still far from any of those though. I need to find out where her family lives to understand better.

I could see a stray dog running across Washington Street, which is very busy, and heading down Riverside/Flat Rock Drive and she happened to see it as she was leaving the relatives. All very plausible IMO. If you know the neighborhood, which she did, I also would feel safe leaving my car running for a few minutes there because as I said a car maybe drives down Riverside once an hour.
 
  • #273
So, the autopsy is scheduled "tentatively" for Monday. I hope a determination can be made and it is not "inconclusive."

FTR I think it's all very potentially hinky, jmo, moo, imo. But there are always crazy coincidences here in WS. Again, going to refrain from speculation here, but t in the video Skibberina just posted of the officers walking the scene, the water looks very calm to me.

ITA, margarita25. I will keep my lips zipped, but you probably know what I'm thinking!


BTW, I see you have a new pet!
 
  • #274
My understanding is her car was just a couple of blocks from where her relatives live so one would assume they would go down this road if they had gone out looking for her.

Yes, the route she was on could lead to one of the four routes mentioned here. She was still far from any of those though. I need to find out where her family lives to understand better.

I could see a stray dog running across Washington Street, which is very busy, and heading down Riverside/Flat Rock Drive and she happened to see it as she was leaving the relatives. All very plausible IMO. If you know the neighborhood, which she did, I also would feel safe leaving my car running for a few minutes there because as I said a car maybe drives down Riverside once an hour.

Thank you for answering. This gives another perspective. Also, when/if she got out to get a dog, she probably did not intend to go as far as she did. JMO
 
  • #275
I have read through all the posts, so I don't think I am repeating a question, so here goes:

1) I wonder if she hit a dog and wounded it? And therefore would definitely chase it?

2) Having said that, it seems odd to me that she would open the front passenger door to let a dog in.

When I have picked up strays they went in the back seat area or in the hatchback - especially if they are unpredictable.

Do we know that the front passenger door was open?

3) Wouldn't LE know by how she looked whether she drowned? Or are they waiting to rule out drowning as a secondary cause?

Very sad all around.
 
  • #276
Vail said:
snipped by me...
Police said Jacqueline Watts’ body was found on a sandbar in the Flat Rock River around 8:30 a.m.

I would interpret this as "body was found on a sandbar...."
"a sandbar which is in the FR River...."

FTR :confused:
Been trying to figure out this acronym?? :thinking:

HELP! margarita25! :)

and I'd like to :welcome6: all the :newbie: s here for Jacqueline!
 
  • #277
I thought of that as well. She could have opened her passenger door to retrieve her insurance card...

Side note: I got chills seeing the aerial photos of the cemetery. So similar to Libby and Abby. Surely this is a coincidence. The more I read about this, the more suspicious it seems.


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You too huh. I thought I was the only one who thought the area where she parked her car, blinkers on was creepy.

Find a Grave.com mentioned the cemetery land as being private so maybe it is a private gold course by that man-made lake.

And from the aerial view it does look like a trail or maybe dirt road running parallel to that lake above.
 
  • #278
I have read through all the posts, so I don't think I am repeating a question, so here goes:

1) I wonder if she hit a dog and wounded it? And therefore would definitely chase it?

2) Having said that, it seems odd to me that she would open the front passenger door to let a dog in.

When I have picked up strays they went in the back seat area or in the hatchback - especially if they are unpredictable.

Do we know that the front passenger door was open?

3) Wouldn't LE know by how she looked whether she drowned? Or are they waiting to rule out drowning as a secondary cause?

Very sad all around.

I do not think she was chasing a dog. The water was to shallow to drown in they are saying too... Therefore although no one at this point wants to believe it because let's face it...It very hard to believe that a loved one has been a victim of a crime...I think that is exactly what happened.

Does anyone know what type of car she was driving? Did her car doors lock automatically when she started to drive?

Did someone get in her car on the passenger side and she jumped out the other door? The motive evidently if it was a crime was not theft it was her...

I absolutely do not think it was an animal....She had just dropped hers off. She was leaving...Someone kind to animals would not want to put them in a shelter. You don't take a stray to your parents or in laws to watch.


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  • #279
darkhorse415 said:
snipped by me...
I grew up in this neighborhood on Flat Rock Drive adjacent to Riverside Dr, which is NOT a busy street; in fact, it has very little traffic on it. It's very private and quiet. It's not a street you just drive down really unless you live in one of the houses up on the hill or were on a Sunday drive.

But wasn't it said she was coming from her parents house after dropping off her dogs.

Skibs - can you add "where" her parents house is and "where" her car was found? TIA! :wave:

and :Welcome1: to Websleuths and this thread!
 
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