IN - Kimberly Camm, 35, & 2 children murdered, Georgetown, 28 Sept 2000 *2 earlier trials OVERTURNED

  • #481
Video live on http://www.wdrb.com/ now says "verdict to be announced shortly". Hopefully it's ET.
 
  • #482
Not guilty on all 3 counts.
 
  • #483
I feel so sorry for the Renn family, and Camm's oldest daughter. She must be scared to death right now!
 
  • #484
I know. Sad all the way around.
 
  • #485
Sorry for the Renn family but this is our system. Nothing will bring back their loved ones. It doesn't mean Camm is "innocent" it means the jury said the state didn't prove the charges. So he's not guilty.
 
  • #486
  • #487
I am so glad the jury finally got it,
 
  • #488
His poor older daughter. :( People are offering her condolences on facebook and she is thanking them.

I know that if my dad were a murder suspect, I'd have to have A LOT of evidence before I would believe him to be guilty.
 
  • #489
Another brutal murderer gets away with it.
We should be used to it by now, but :banghead:
 
  • #490
What about the oldest daughter? Someone please catch me up on the deal with her and why she thinks he did it.
 
  • #491
What about the oldest daughter? Someone please catch me up on the deal with her and why she thinks he did it.

She and his first wife sat firmly with the Renns in court!
I believe they have both had restraining orders against Camm in the past.
IMO he probably abused her, just like he did Jill.
 
  • #492
She and his first wife sat firmly with the Renns in court!
I believe they have both had restraining orders against Camm in the past.
IMO he probably abused her, just like he did Jill.

The older daughter has denied he ever molested her.

It concerns me that the first trial convicted him without any mention of Boney. We know the prosecution case was wrong in that instance.


I was a firm GUILTY during the first trial.

I just don't know anymore.

(sigh)
 
  • #493
What about the oldest daughter? Someone please catch me up on the deal with her and why she thinks he did it.

I don't know WHY she believes he's guilty, only that she does.

When her mom asked if he'd ever sexually molested her, she said "no".

At the first trial, she sat on the prosecution side with the Renn's. (I don't know why she was allowed to attend, though she was 18 at the time, so maybe it was her decision? She fainted in the courtroom when the guilty verdicts were read then.) She hasn't attended the two other trials, tmk.

I'm pretty sure that she and her mom and Camm lived with Camm's parents when she was really young. So, she grew up, at least for a little while, with her grandparents. To my knowledge, she has nothing to do with any of the Camm/Lockhart family currently.

I have heard it theorized that her mom,Camm's ex wife, brainwashed her. Even if it were true at first, his daughter(sorry that reads weird, I don't want to use her name on a public forum) is an adult now and free to form her own opinion. Also, I personally can't see her mother brainwashing her. Before the murders, Camm and his daughter had a decent relationship, and to my knowledge, he and his ex wife were on decent terms. After he was arrested, Camm's ex was not going around saying things like, "I knew he did it" or "it doesn't surprise me". Instead she was saying things like, "I just keep thinking it could have been me," not because he was arrested for the murders, but because she was was identifying with Camm's wife being killed and she had once been Camm's wife.
 
  • #494
She and his first wife sat firmly with the Renns in court!
I believe they have both had restraining orders against Camm in the past.
IMO he probably abused her, just like he did Jill.

His older daughter told her mom that Camm never sexually abused her. Her mom said asking her if she had been abused was one of the hardest things she ever had to do.

eta: I'll have to look again, but I don't remember seeing any restraining orders against him on the site mycase.in.gov
 
  • #495
I don't know what to think in this case. I don't see why Boney murdered 2 little kids. I get that he was (or is) a predator who has foot fetish and steals shoes, etc., but why kill the children? They were shot inside the SUV. If Boney wanted to steal he could have done that and gotten out. Going to the garage and then killing the occupants right then and there makes no sense to me. The kids were still in their seats.

I suspect Camm was involved but if the jury didn't have enough evidence to convict then that's how it goes. It's not what one believes, it's what the jury believes based on the evidence presented and whether it meets the burden or not. This jury decided this 3rd time and that's the end of it.
 
  • #496
I don't know what to think in this case. I don't see why Boney murdered 2 little kids. I get that he was (or is) a predator who has foot fetish and steals shoes, etc., but why kill the children? They were shot inside the SUV. If Boney wanted to steal he could have done that and gotten out. Going to the garage and then killing the occupants right then and there makes no sense to me. The kids were still in their seats.

I suspect Camm was involved but if the jury didn't have enough evidence to convict then that's how it goes. It's not what one believes, it's what the jury believes based on the evidence presented and whether it meets the burden or not. This jury decided this 3rd time and that's the end of it.

I just can't see why Boney would kill kids either. I could even see him killing Kim and then just leaving the kids alone. They were 7 and 5 it's not like they would be able to pick him out of a line up! They also might not have even seen Boney well, given that the were still in the backseat of the car.

The defense has said that Boney wanted to kill a cop or a cop's family and that he had seen Kim's car with a police license plate at her family's meat market. Then he followed her home and killed them. I just can't see him doing that. Honestly, he seems not very intelligent and even that seems too elaborate a plan for him to devise himself. Not to mention anyone can purchase a police license plate, not just police officers and their families, so how was Boney to know that he was actually messing with a cop's family.

With Boney's other crimes, he "terrorized" his victims for a time. He didn't do that in this case. Why not?

Also, there were carpet fibers from Camm's master bedroom on Boney's sweatshirt. How did those get there? Tmk Boney never entered the house. Even if he had, what was he doing on the floor of the Camm's bedroom?

There are just so many unanswered questions if one is to believe that Boney acted alone (or even with an accomplice other than Camm).
 
  • #497
  • #498
I am not sure if there will ever be true justice in this case. I am not sure rather or not Camm was involved.....but......I think so much of the evidence became muddled.....largely because of the prosecution.....that it makes it very difficult to come to a true decision. Why didn't they follow up on the sweatshirt DNA Before the first trial? I would think that would have been a standard thing to do. As to Camms oldest daughter.....it takes a child sometimes many many years to overcome brainwashing. So I place less importance on that. If his first wife held tight to a story.......daughter was raised thinking that way, and it is going to to be very hard for her to change her mind. Sorry, but I feel this case lands in the lap of the prosecutors......the defense did not have to provide a reasonable doubt......prosecution did it for them.......but someday somebody will have to answer to a higher power, and explain why they did this.....I'd sure not want to be in their shoes!!
 
  • #499
ZsaZsa;9923905
Another brutal murderer gets away with it.
We should be used to it by now, but :banghead

I agree completeley
 
  • #500
He didn't exactly get away with it; he did spend 13 yrs in state prison. And while that seems like nothing, it was (at least) something, if one is convinced of his guilt. And don't forget he still faces a civil lawsuit.

To try and put it in perspective, (again if you think he's guilty of the murders) it's certainly more 'justice' than the Brown/Goldman families got from OJ butchering their loved ones.

If you believe at all in Karma and the laws of the universe then no murderer ever truly 'gets away' with it. They may appear to in this life but that's only what we can see/perceive. I think the blight on a murderer's soul for such actions cause far more pain than we realize.
 

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