IN IN - Kristy Kelley, 27, Boonville, 15 Aug 2014 #1

[tricket]

Imo, her car should have been found if she was grabbed...even if "carjacked". Usually the vehicles turn up, Imo.

agreed, but what I'm thinking is something happened in that 20 min time period. If that was her car seen the 2nd time, it could have been to ditch it, or possibly in a storage unit, garage,etc

 

[cluciano63]

Hi Cluciano :wave: :cat:

I hear ya here, the vehicles usually turn up (Alexis Murphy, etc etc).

Can we remember any cases where this was not the case, for brainstorming purposes...I can recall DM hiding TB's car in his mom's garage, iirc...(totally different type of case, though)...what other cases?

If this is an abduction, and the person was not on foot...that could indicate 2 perps, one needed to drive her car....again, there have been some attempted abductions in that state (posted upstream) on children involving 2 perps...

I still can't really think of any, where the car would be so well-hidden by a predator so as not to be found in going on ten days, with so many looking. If she was taken with her car and car WAS/IS this well concealed, I would see that as pointing toward someone she knows. I just cannot see a stranger/predator taking the time and effort to conceal a car he would have no connection to. Of course there is a first time for everything. But, Imo, even if someone grabbed her in a lot and forced her to drive her car, I still think dumping the car would be instinctive, as soon as possible.

Unless LE has not taken the search wide enough and she and vehicle are a greater distance from town then they are searching. Wonder how much gas was in her car?

 

[SuziQ]

I have a lot of catching up to do this morning.

How do we know that the VFW was closed and no one there if Kristy went back? Who was the last to lock up and what time? Does the cleaning person have a key and do they stay behind to clean?

Also, I would love to know the ex's address. I know I'm not allowed to sleuth him. Just trying to get the big picture.

 

[texasgirl2]

Last I heard, LE was looking at Kristy's phone and trying to get it open because it was password protected. I read that on the FB page. But I also read that Kristy's dad said something about a text message they had seen on her phone. Does anyone know anything about the phone yet? Seen any updates on this?

(Sorry I'm lurking...I'm mobile!)


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[tricket]

Unless LE has not taken the search wide enough and she and vehicle are a greater distance from town then they are searching. Wonder how much gas was in her car?

I think that should definitely be taken into consideration

 

[concernedmother]

From what I heard about Kristy,even
as a teenager she had good work ethics, didnt call in, miss work etc. Doesnt sound like a person that decided to just up and run away.

 

[Midwest]

Read post #343, page 14-- by IndianaMom--- she addresses that in her opening sentence. She is also a local in that area.

I read that but it still didn't clear it up in my mind about whether he just didn't clean the bathroom or what the story is with his timing. Wouldn't he have waited until absolutely everyone left before finishing, especially the bathroom? Or maybe he did clean after she left and the shelf is above eye level and not something he dusts regularly and he just isn't very thorough? I think it would be odd to see the phone (that night while cleaning) and leave it there. I can, however, see them finding it the next morning and then keeping it in the office or something while they wait for someone to retrieve it. But I am wondering if he saw it that night or not and exactly when he left.

 

[margarita25]

BBM:

I still can't really think of any, where the car would be so well-hidden by a predator so as not to be found in going on ten days, with so many looking. If she was taken with her car and car WAS/IS this well concealed, I would see that as pointing toward someone she knows. I just cannot see a stranger/predator taking the time and effort to conceal a car he would have no connection to. Of course there is a first time for everything. But, Imo, even if someone grabbed her in a lot and forced her to drive her car, I still think dumping the car would be instinctive, as soon as possible.

Unless LE has not taken the search wide enough and she and vehicle are a greater distance from town then they are searching. Wonder how much gas was in her car?

Bouncing off your post..."no connection to"...unless there is a connection-his DNA. What if there was a violent struggle in her vehicle and his blood, etc is in the car. He wouldn't be able to just abandon it without totally cleaning it. So, he stores it, takes it somewhere he can clean it or strip it, maybe burns the vehicle, or submerges it...

 

[concernedmother]

I wonder how long she had her car and if someone else had a key too?

 

[foxtrotromeo]

City Lake is more than a block past their house. I have driven around it and there are no signs of tire tracks where she might have driven off. Also, I do not believe that it is very deep.

Can you share which day it was you drove around the lake? I ask because historical weather data shows it was dry up until Sunday the 17th which then shows record rainfall of over 2". If the ground was dry when driven over and then it was drenched I don't believe you would see any signs of tracks. Also dnr data shows that lake to be 10' which is plenty deep.

 

[concernedmother]

That lake close to her house I have been to. I agree that I dont think its deep enough. But there are plenty of stipper pits in the area that are.

 

[concernedmother]

My sister found a phone in walmart restroom recently. The phone doesnt bother me so much. But the car not being found does

 

[Midwest]

Yes there was a LOT of rain just shortly after she went missing. I worried that would mess with tracks going off the road. :/

 

[Midwest]

According to fb someone mentioned they are searching with a "professional search team" today. First I've heard of that. I'm assuming this is something more than local investigators. I hope it is anyway.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

This is absolutely bizarre. There is no activity on her personal accounts, so I find it unlikely she ran off. I'm not saying suicide is not an option, but I find that unlikely as well. I do find it likely that she turned around to get her phone, or someone took her while the bartender was in the back

Yeah, it's bizarre. I understand your thinking, but as far as the potential for someone trying to grab her inside the bar, wasn't the door to the bar locked when she was the last one there -- and wouldn't they (bartender/manager) most likely have heard her screaming if someone tried to grab her? Do we know about how far away the bartender or manager was from the bar?

 

[foxtrotromeo]

I honestly don't think any of the disappearances are related. MAYBE a couple of them could be, but
I'm not sure what is hard to understand about this. 20 minutes is plenty of time for someone to disappear. All of the other patrons were already gone. That's why the VFW was closing early.

I think you totally missed my point. 20 minutes is plenty of time to disappear but is it plenty of time for someone to

1. Notice someone's gone (how long was she gone before she noticed?)
2. Go back and continue doing whatever it was she was doing (how long did this take?)
3. Return and notice someone is still gone
4. Go to parking lot and notice vehicle gone
5. Everybody locks up and leaves

All in 20 minutes. This is assuming the car in the video was hers and she was headed back to the bar to get phone.

 

[Midwest]

Yeah, it's bizarre. I understand your thinking, but as far as the potential for someone trying to grab her inside the bar, wasn't the door to the bar locked when she was the last one there -- and wouldn't they (bartender/manager) most likely have heard her screaming if someone tried to grab her? Do we know about how far away the bartender or manager was from the bar?

Oh! Right! All along it's been said that the doors were locked from the inside. How did she leave without them knowing? Wouldn't she have needed them to unlock the door for her to get out? I have been in similar situations, hanging with a bartender I knew close to closing after last call and they've had to let me out due to the locked door. So I don't think someone grabbed her from inside as they'd have needed a key. Unless the person who grabbed her worked there and did have a key. Otherwise, how did she leave without them letting her out?

 

[Tonia]

Oh! Right! All along it's been said that the doors were locked from the inside. How did she leave without them knowing? Wouldn't she have needed them to unlock the door for her to get out? I have been in similar situations, hanging with a bartender I knew close to closing after last call and they've had to let me out due to the locked door. So I don't think someone grabbed her from inside as they'd have needed a key. Unless the person who grabbed her worked there and did have a key. Otherwise, how did she leave without them letting her out?

It is possible the door locks from the inside and you can still open it from the inside you just can't open it from the outside...but that is also rumor to i haven't read anything confirming that from police just one person in that group.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

From what I heard about Kristy,even
as a teenager she had good work ethics, didnt call in, miss work etc. Doesnt sound like a person that decided to just up and run away.

I agree that everything I have read about her indicates she was very responsible...I think that is why her just leaving the bar without even telling her bartender friend doesn't seem in sync with the descriptions of her. Also, if it's true that the door was locked in the bar when she was the last one there, that would mean she would have to unlock that door before leaving, which doesn't seem to go along with the picture of her being responsible -- leaving the bar unlocked for her friend.

Could she have unlocked the door for someone she recognized? Someone she thought was a "safe" person?

I don't know...really puzzling...

P.S. Right after I posted this, I see info above me on the door locking aspect, so forgive me if all this was just answered!
P.P.S. Okay, read above info on door...I was picturing one of those bolt locks, thinking perhaps the key was still in it -- though still locked -- if you know what I mean. Of course, I have no idea, but it is just what I was picturing.

 

[cluciano63]

Says the search group is from Ky on FB...so not TES, I guess. But I don't know where they start, since her car is gone. Air searches probably best, but an outside group should not be required for that, Imo.