IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #1

[Ven]

I would thoroughly check out this friend. Everyone assumes that she was walking alone at 4:30 am because he said so, but unless there's some sort of evidence that she was by herself I would be suspicious.

Also, check out this: http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Jill_Behrman

I know that these sort of entries aren't exactly objective, but it would be worth looking into the possibility that they didn't get the right guy and the real killer is still out there.

Hi everyone, this is my first post here so I thought a hello was in order.
But the above poster is thinking some of the same thoughts as myself.

1. Has the "male friend" been checked out? If he watched her walk away and came right back inside the house to the party, then he can be ruled out immediately. If he left but took awhile to return, or was leaving for the night himself, that does not make him guilty by any stretch of the imagination, but he would certainly have to be thoroughly investigated.

The reason why this is relevant is that he has not been acquitted in public by LE or the news reports. It seems like if he was for sure not involved, that would have been reported -- but instead, the first reports are "last seen at 4:30 a.m. ...." but the latest reports are "He saw her last on the corner of 11th Street and College Avenue, he told police. That catches my attention.

2. I also thought about the Jill Behrman case and the possibility that the real killer was not caught. However, 11 years is too long a time IMO for a serial killer to be inactive. You'd think there would have been others in that timeframe, unless the killer moved away and came back.

 

[ellehill]

It's never safe to walk alone at night anywhere! There's sick people everywhere! We found this out summer of 1994 in Bloomington when we lived in a house at 10th & Washington. We caught a guy in a ski mask completely naked except running shoes and something in his hand (probably his shorts) looking into our living room window just before 5:00 AM. We weren't able to catch him but I have always had a gut feeling the person worked at one of the local bars (usually checked ID's, sometimes bartended). I hope police are looking into the employees at Kilroys and other local bars in the area. If the bars close at 3:00 the employees would probably be getting off work around 4:00 AM or later by the time they close everything down.

 

[TonyGatto]

As we piece together why these kids did this or that -- it would be helpful to assume that they were all drunk.

 

[dreamweaver]

http://www.courierpress.com/news/20...ana-university-student-called-e/?cid=Facebook
Dozens of volunteers headed back out to look for signs of Lauren Spierer in the area where she was last seen at about 4:30 a.m. Friday, walking alone toward her apartment in downtown Bloomington.
and..

Investigators have Spierer's purse and some keys, which were found along the route to her friend's apartment. But Parker said they aren't sure whether Spierer left them on her way to or from her friend's home. She left her cell phone and shoes in the bar.

 

[dreamweaver]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/0...disappearance-indiana-college-student-lauren/
The Bloomington Police Department said Tuesday that anyone seen with Indiana University student Lauren Spierer in the hours before her disappearance is considered a "person of interest," though no suspects have been identified.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/0...indiana-college-student-lauren/#ixzz1OcrhjB2z

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/0...disappearance-indiana-college-student-lauren/
The Bloomington Police Department said Tuesday that anyone seen with Indiana University student Lauren Spierer in the hours before her disappearance is considered a "person of interest," though no suspects have been identified.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/0...indiana-college-student-lauren/#ixzz1OcrhjB2z

Wow, that is a startling statement...does not sound as though they are assuming she was taken by a stranger...

 

[Ven]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that there were multiple "friends" at the house she was visiting before her disappearance.
Now in these latest articles it sounds like she was visiting the house of a single male friend??

If that is the case then this should immediately raise red flags for obvious reasons.

 

[katydid23]

I made my 19 yr old read this thread. I really hope she takes the warning seriously. NOBODY should be walking alone at 4 am, no matter how small the town is. People, especially drunk people, need to stick together. She should have stayed put until morning time and she was more sober and it was light out. I do not mean to 'blame' her, but it is frightening the way college kids push the envelope this way. And, imo, that male friend should have walked her home at he very least. Then again, 'maybe' he did just that...

 

[ellehill]

I just saw on the news where her father was asking people to call with any information if they saw her Thursday during the day or Thursday evening with anyone, he said no matter how casual it may have seemed. It sounds like something/an encounter may have happened the day before she went missing.

 

[cluciano63]

I just saw on the news where her father was asking people to call with any information if they saw her Thursday during the day or Thursday evening with anyone, he said no matter how casual it may have seemed. It sounds like something/an encounter may have happened the day before she went missing.

Do they mean that the whole story might be made up? That someone may have left a false trail with her keys, leaving her shoes at the bar, etc?

 

[Inspector Gidget]

My thoughts are that she never made that walk home from the friend's house.One question crosses my mind.If he could watch her walk away,why didn't he just walk her home instead.To make sure she got there safely.I think the keys and purse were planted along the way to make it look like she was abducted.I think they have this male friend in their sights.I wonder if he was a friend or she had just met him at the bar?I just don't feel she made that walk home at all.

 

[Daisyjane]

I just saw on the news where her father was asking people to call with any information if they saw her Thursday during the day or Thursday evening with anyone, he said no matter how casual it may have seemed. It sounds like something/an encounter may have happened the day before she went missing.

Do they mean that the whole story might be made up? That someone may have left a false trail with her keys, leaving her shoes at the bar, etc?

I interpret her father's request as an attempt to find out 'does anyone think Lauren was behaving strangely, did she mention any plans, did you see her with any unusual people?'

 

[iluvmua]

My thoughts are that she never made that walk home from the friend's house.One question crosses my mind.If he could watch her walk away,why didn't he just walk her home instead.To make sure she got there safely.I think the keys and purse were planted along the way to make it look like she was abducted.I think they have this male friend in their sights.I wonder if he was a friend or she had just met him at the bar?I just don't feel she made that walk home at all.

So Lauren and her friend went from Smallwood Plaza (but did not go inside) and then went to another apartment complex to visit friends and then she decided to walk back home to Smallwood Plaza?

And her male friend watched her walk back home? Why not just walk her home? Does not make any sense to me.

How far away was she from Smallwood when she went with her friend to that other apartment complex?

 

[katydid23]

My thoughts are that she never made that walk home from the friend's house.One question crosses my mind.If he could watch her walk away,why didn't he just walk her home instead.To make sure she got there safely.I think the keys and purse were planted along the way to make it look like she was abducted.I think they have this male friend in their sights.I wonder if he was a friend or she had just met him at the bar?I just don't feel she made that walk home at all.

I agree. What kind of a 'friend' watches a drunk, 90 lb woman, stumble out their door, and down the street, at 4 o' clock in the morning? Any friend, male or female would make her stay inside or walk her home themselves.

 

[Lindsaym]

I'd assumed that the male friend saw her walking from a window in his apartment that overlooked the street. No idea if this was the case, but it would account for the slight weirdness of someone "watching her walk home" without actually walking her.

(I wish all guys were raised to walk girls home, though. My male friends who offer instantly make themselves some of my favorite people in the world.)

 

[Inspector Gidget]

I agree. What kind of a 'friend' watches a drunk, 90 lb woman, stumble out their door, and down the street, at 4 o' clock in the morning? Any friend, male or female would make her stay inside or walk her home themselves.

Yes and a good alibi for him unless they can prove otherwise

 

[sappage]

As a relatively recent college graduate, most everything (other than going missing) in this story sounds familiar and relatively common.

--- Was she hammered? We don't know for sure, but it definitely sounds like she had way too much to drink. And a quick little search actually turned up some information from less than a year ago. I'm definitely not trying to bring the girl down (I've actually had both of these citations before) but I believe that alcohol definitely played a major factor in why she is missing:

Case Type: CM - Criminal Misdemeanor
Date Filed: 09/03/2010
Location: Monroe Circuit Court 9

Charges: Spierer, Lauren Elizabeth

1. 7.1-5-1-3/MB: Public Intoxication.....7.1-5-1-3 Misdemeanor Class B 09/02/2010

2. 7.1-5-7-7(a)(2)/MC: Illegal Consumption of an Alcoholic Beverage .....7.1-5-7-7(a)(2) Misdemeanor Class C 09/02/2010


--- Leaving items behind in a bar: I've lost my cellphone many times, and I know people who have actually woken up with their shoes missing, so it happens. But it only happens when someone has been drinking pretty excessively.

--- Walking home at 4 am alone: Not saying it's the smartest, but it is very common for girls to walk home at that hour all alone on a college campus. I've seen it many times. Usually it is the situation where.... girl meets guy at bar, girl goes home with guy, they spend a little quality time together, girl walks home right after.

I know many people probably immediately wonder why she was in a bar underage, why she walked home alone at 4 am, why would she drink so much. But the entire story prior to her going missing happens every day on college campuses across the country. Extremely, extremely common. I can think of 2 scenarios:

Scenario 1: Completely random abduction: After leaving the guys place, somebody took advantage of the situation (drunk girl alone, late night and nobody around) and abducted her.

Scenario 2: Really only considered scenario 1 until I learned of her heart condition. Possibly while with the guy alone, her condition may have caused her to faint or have a seizure, and in a panic he didn't notify paramedics and possibly disposed of the body.

I hope I'm wrong with both scenarios, but as every hour passes, it becomes much more evident that foul play is involved.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

I do think she must of been drunk,when she left the bar.Not many leave their shoes and cell phone.Most girls would panic if they left their cell phone,it is their lifeline.

 

[Ven]

I suspect she was extremely drunk that night.

Unfortunately, when the other kids say "oh we hadn't drank in a few hours, we were fine" I know to take that with a huge grain of salt.

I guess the basic focus has to be on the male friend and his house.
Until he is publicly ruled out, he has to be spotlight #1 I'm afraid.

I remember following the Annie Le case and the initial internet rumors were:
"Oh my god, it has to be the fiance, he didn't wanna get married and off'd her".

LE almost immediately stated in public that they were sure he had absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance.

After that, whenever someone is not ruled out right away I always know that LE has some reason to suspect them.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

As a relatively recent college graduate, most everything (other than going missing) in this story sounds familiar and relatively common.

--- Was she hammered? We don't know for sure, but it definitely sounds like she had way too much to drink. And a quick little search actually turned up some information from less than a year ago. I'm definitely not trying to bring the girl down (I've actually had both of these citations before) but I believe that alcohol definitely played a major factor in why she is missing:

Case Type: CM - Criminal Misdemeanor
Date Filed: 09/03/2010
Location: Monroe Circuit Court 9

Charges: Spierer, Lauren Elizabeth

1. 7.1-5-1-3/MB: Public Intoxication.....7.1-5-1-3 Misdemeanor Class B 09/02/2010

2. 7.1-5-7-7(a)(2)/MC: Illegal Consumption of an Alcoholic Beverage .....7.1-5-7-7(a)(2) Misdemeanor Class C 09/02/2010


--- Leaving items behind in a bar: I've lost my cellphone many times, and I know people who have actually woken up with their shoes missing, so it happens. But it only happens when someone has been drinking pretty excessively.

--- Walking home at 4 am alone: Not saying it's the smartest, but it is very common for girls to walk home at that hour all alone on a college campus. I've seen it many times. Usually it is the situation where.... girl meets guy at bar, girl goes home with guy, they spend a little quality time together, girl walks home right after.

I know many people probably immediately wonder why she was in a bar underage, why she walked home alone at 4 am, why would she drink so much. But the entire story prior to her going missing happens every day on college campuses across the country. Extremely, extremely common. I can think of 2 scenarios:

Scenario 1: Completely random abduction: After leaving the guys place, somebody took advantage of the situation (drunk girl alone, late night and nobody around) and abducted her.

Scenario 2: Really only considered scenario 1 until I learned of her heart condition. Possibly while with the guy alone, her condition may have caused her to faint or have a seizure, and in a panic he didn't notify paramedics and possibly disposed of the body.

I hope I'm wrong with both scenarios, but as every hour passes, it becomes much more evident that foul play is involved.

Scenario 2 If he did nothing wrong and she died from natural causes why not
call 911.She did have a heart condition and should not have been drinking