IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #12

[Berk13]

Yes, on that street. Or even INSIDE the apt complex. Someone lured her into another apt, who knows.

It isn't like a typical apartment complex. There is no way to get from one unit to the other without walking out onto the street. There are no interior "common spaces" like hallways, lobbies, etc. that you might find in other apartment complexes.

It is just a row of 6 townhomes, all with their own street-level entryway. Here is a diagram of what the building looks like, taken from the property management's website.

If someone lured her into another unit, it would have had to be when she was on the street.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Just a story that happened to my friends and I a few months ago...

We all went partying and I left before my other 4 friends... they all left together and one of our friends was very drunk. Our friend dropped her at her apartment.

The other day, she disappeared. No one could reach her. Nobody picked up her phone at home, we knocked for hours and she didn't answer the door... she dissapeared.

Everyone kept asking if my friend who dropped her home had seen her walk IN the apartment and my friend lied to her parents/adults saying she did see her getting in.

We normally wait in the car until our friends are SAFE inside the apartment, because my city is very dangerous.

She then broke down in tears to me and said that she wasn't 100% sure if she saw her walking in.

It turned out that my friend lost her key and was just locked at home and took a tylenol PM to crash and wait for her maid to arrive the following day. But still, just saying.

 

[Jupiter812]

The only problem with this is that the police have included the 4:30 watch within their timeline. I don't think they'd include it based only on heresay (HT). It kinda makes me think they spoke with JR and got it from him directly. If not however, it's a very good point.

Every time they mention 4:15 and 4:30 LE is careful to add: But we have no corroborating evidence.

 

[kissdegirl]

I didn't even think about the cars that they may have potentially passed.....

But, to respectfully disagree. IMO it is unlikely that LS was such a determined walker that she left the door at 4:25 and rounded the corner by 4:30. This is the same girl that left her stuff at a bar. Went to her apartment building, but never made it in her actual apartment. Dropped her keys in a alley. Has been walking around without shoes on for hours....bouncing from place to place.......and all of a sudden she is quick and calculated with her movement? Not buying it...

I get that. I think 5 minutes to get to the street corner is a good estimate for her, IMO, based on the photos. I don't know how long it would take someone meandering though...

 

[jadejazzkayla]

can someone point me to the place to read what jw's brother wrote?

 

[cluciano63]

LE has been clear that they last they know is 2:51AM and that anything later cannot be backed-up.

And Lauren's keys/purse were all attached as one unit, to the poster who asked about her purse...so they were lost together.

 

[Jupiter812]

LS lost her cell & shoes at the bar;
her car keys on the way to CR's apartment;
but what about her pocketbook?

Apparently she only had a small coin/key purse which was found in the area/alley near 5 North.

 

[elmomom]

Since everyone keeps referring to comments made elsewhere that are supposedly made by JW's brother, can we also occasionally remember to mention that there is another person, RA posting there who seems just as legit as the brother, who has knowledge of JR and says he not only cooperated with LE but that he also passed a LD test. And has answered questions. And had no access to a car that evening.
Since there is another person we do not know in the townhouse that night (JRs guest) I am betting that LE cannot disprove JRs story. Whether the both of them, or just one, has been polygraphed.. whatever. But from the get-go whenever they mention the 4:30 time point, they almost NEVER qualify it by saying it is unverified because it is only the word of a person who is a POI.
Since they seem to attribute a lot more weight to that time point, I do tend to believe that they know more about it than we. It may not be 100% proven to them, but it seems they haven't been overly questioning of it either. jmho.

 

[Faulkner]

Can we discuss the threads where JW's brother posted?? It is 100% him and has some EXTREMELY interesting information.

Please provide the factual support for "It is 100% him." And -- in mentioning factual support -- I am speaking of verifiable or otherwise verified facts, not opinion.

 

[Gabby66]

Every time they mention 4:15 and 4:30 LE is careful to add: But we have no corroborating evidence.

True, but I take that to mean "no video" to support/prove it. I still do not think that they would list it as a point on the timeline based on HT's comment only, when she wasn't even there.

 

[sueC]

I think this is what happened. He could care LESS if Lauren got home safe because he was completely out of it. Woke up, his good friend's girlfriend is gone and he feels guilty... lies to everyone and gets caught up on his own lie.

This sounds plausible. What about the 4:15 call to DR? I guess JR could have passed out not long after LS arrived at his apt, then woke up and she was gone? Would he call DR to see if she was back at Smallwood?

 

[Gabby66]

I have also asked for the link to the brother's comments to be provided.

 

[Jupiter812]

The construction project across the street from 5 North is quite large. Another apartment building probably. Lots and lots of dark places, corners, holes, ditches to hide in. Four houses close together are being built to the immediate east of 5 North, the direction LS supposedly walked. The houses are unfinished but open enough for a predator to gain access and comfortably wait for the right moment.

Like I said in a previous post, the area is like the edge of civilization.

 

[eqh]

there should be a back way out of JR's house.

 

[cluciano63]

The construction project across the street from 5 North is quite large. Another apartment building probably. Lots and lots of dark places, corners, holes, ditches to hide in. Four houses close together are being built to the immediate east of 5 North, the direction LS supposedly walked. The houses are unfinished but open enough for a predator to gain access and comfortably wait for the right moment.

Like I said in a previous post, the area is like the edge of civilization.

Hopefully LE knows, and has checked, any areas of the construction that may have been covered over or further finished on Friday before it was known Lauren was missing...are they places, or were there, that she could have actually fallen into? And this could all be some tragic accident?

 

[bluehippo22]

KW

Sorry for not using them. They're new to me.

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...pierer?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

I did not directly read in the article that KW found the purse and keys. The article says "The two items were found the next day by a hair stylist going into work." In the next section (8 paragraphs later), KW is described as a spa and salon employee who walked past 5North at 3:45AM on June 3.

They could be the same person, but I didn't see where in the article it is stated that they are the same person. Please let me know if I just missed it.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Please provide the factual support for "It is 100% him." And -- in mentioning factual support -- I am speaking of verifiable or otherwise verified facts, not opinion.

I mean, I do not know his IP, but JW's brother have been posting on that message board for years, since before Lauren's dissapearance. People know him PERSONALLY and by his first name.

Like I said, I do not know his IP, but why would someone pretend to be Jesse Wolff's brother YEARS/MONTHS before Lauren dissapeared?

 

[Jupiter812]

True, but I take that to mean "no video" to support/prove it. I still do not think that they would list it as a point on the timeline based on HT's comment only, when she wasn't even there.

Yes, that's what I take it to mean as well. Agree with second point too.

 

[kissdegirl]

there should be a back way out of JR's house.

Is there? It's not on the floor plans?

Also, we need a link to that other place that JWs brother is supposedly talking. If you can't link it, then we can't talk about it. Please provide a link. Thanks.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

http://www.thebort.com/index.php/topic,2881.0.html - link to JW's brother posts.