IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #31

[sammi89]

All of this recent talk takes me to CR's last media statements where he said something to the effect (paraphrasing here) "None of MY friends had anything to do with Laurens disappearance" . Anyone know what his exact words were?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...g-indiana-student-parents-harassment/2356267/

In criticizing the Spierers, Rossman said it's been two years since the disappearance and that, "it's permanently changed all our lives. ... You should write an article about how the parents are harassing us. None of my friends have done anything wrong."

I believe that is the correct article!

 

[monkey222]

When I read the "my friends" within context I interpret as referring to MB and JR. As a stand alone, I thought it meant yet to be named POIs or CRs other friends. Just my interpret.

 

[CoolJ]

Yes, that's it Sammi. Thank You. When I first read this I do remember finding it a little odd. First of all, you can only know if you yourself have done something wrong, how does he know what JR and MB(HIS friends) did that night, they put him to bed didn't they? Second, if he IS speaking for them accurately, then he MUST know exactly what went on that night. None of HIS friends did anything wrong. I would say he doesn't consider a couple out of town visitors from Michigan as his friends. Interesting discussions on here lately to say the least.

 

[monkey222]

I hope that when we are on LS thread in the middle of night, and below indicates 1 or 2 members viewing and 6 or so guests..I hope the guests are LE.

 

[Jupiter812]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...g-indiana-student-parents-harassment/2356267/



I believe that is the correct article!

Thanks for finding this. It's less of an offense IMO in this context and given how recent it is. I think he's referring to the three in the lawsuit.

 

[AbbeyR]

In criticizing the Spierers, Rossman said it's been two years since the disappearance and that, "it's permanently changed all our lives. ... You should write an article about how the parents are harassing us. None of my friends have done anything wrong.

:boohoo:

"Rob and I have never spoken to Corey Rossman," [CS] said. "The private investigators have never spoken to Corey. So I don't know how it is we're harassing him other than asking him to talk to the Bloomington police department. All of them."

In every single statement he has made, CR comes across as a self-absorbed, uncaring, oblivious whiner.

Only a few days left until the decision on the civil case...

 

[Jacobite]

Motion To Dismiss is the first step in every civil court case. It rarely works. Depositions and sequestered
defendants are the next step.
Last time I was in Federal Court in Indianapolis, everyone sat around a table with the judge. It was less formal than state and county courts. The judge was the one asking the questions and it was not open to the public.

 

[Jupiter812]

:boohoo:



In every single statement he has made, CR comes across as a self-absorbed, uncaring, oblivious whiner.

Only a few days left until the decision on the civil case...

If CR can say something crazy as he's done by saying the Spierer's are harassing him, and do so unabashedly for the world to hear, then I absolutely believe he can and would lie about Lauren.

Or, maybe he doesn't understand the definition of harassment. A life of privilege can do that to one.

 

[deca]

If CR can say something crazy as he's done by saying the Spierer's are harassing him, and do so unabashedly for the world to hear, then I absolutely believe he can and would lie about Lauren.

Or, maybe he doesn't understand the definition of harassment. A life of privilege can do that to one.

Frankly, I think his reaction is pretty typical of a self absorbed 20 something year old. Not that EVERY younger person is like that. But their world revolves around them. I am sure in a distant way he understands that the Speirer's are suffering, but he probably thinks "Why should that affect me?" I think you gain more empathy and wisdom as you get older. Especially if you have some kids of your own.

When I was 17, a group of my friends were in a horrible car accident, caused by reckless speeding. Of course our larger group of friends all felt bad and visited them off and on when we could. But our lives went on. We worried about grades and prom dresses, the whole time not considering for more than a few minutes a week that our friends were struggling with PTSD, learning to walk again, and that prom dresses were really not that important. Looking back, I can't believe that we all weren't more disturbed. In fact, I know that many of my classmates continued to speed around recklessly. Nowadays, I think my reaction would be much more intense. JMO

 

[sammi89]

Frankly, I think his reaction is pretty typical of a self absorbed 20 something year old. Not that EVERY younger person is like that. But their world revolves around them. I am sure in a distant way he understands that the Speirer's are suffering, but he probably thinks "Why should that affect me?" I think you gain more empathy and wisdom as you get older. Especially if you have some kids of your own.

When I was 17, a group of my friends were in a horrible car accident, caused by reckless speeding. Of course our larger group of friends all felt bad and visited them off and on when we could. But our lives went on. We worried about grades and prom dresses, the whole time not considering for more than a few minutes a week that our friends were struggling with PTSD, learning to walk again, and that prom dresses were really not that important. Looking back, I can't believe that we all weren't more disturbed. In fact, I know that many of my classmates continued to speed around recklessly. Nowadays, I think my reaction would be much more intense. JMO

I agree to a point. I think the few first days were very abnormal, although the entire group acted abnormal, from HT to JW to CR/MB/JR. However, I do think that CR takes it a bit too far, even today. It is one thing to move on with your life and sort of "forget" it for awhile/not think about it vs completely lash out because of how it is affecting him.

Your response made me consider what I would think of them if tomorrow LS was found and they had nothing to do with it.
- JW's actions would be a little more understandable. He picked up early that something was wrong, alerted parents, filed a report. He's been in therapy, so obviously it has affected him on some level.
- JW's parents. I understand they are his parents, are protective, and lashing out, but that was the wrong way and I am shocked I have never seen a much deserved public apology to the Spierers from them followed hopefully by a very thoughtful private apology. As parents themselves, they should have thought of what it would be like from the Spierers' perspective. As the parents of JW, they should have had more respect for a girl he had cared about for YEARS. (sidenote: If JW was really acting out of a good faith concern for LS and maybe off of rumors or whatever, his parents probably just clarified what he thinks happened).
- CR/JR/MB would still just seem bad in my eyes. Even if LS really did leave, CR carried her back & supposedly MB & JR just let her leave, and from their public responses, they just don't seem to care at all that something terrible happened to this girl. I just don't see any redeeming qualities in how they have handled the situation at all.

 

[sammi89]

Yes, that's it Sammi. Thank You. When I first read this I do remember finding it a little odd. First of all, you can only know if you yourself have done something wrong, how does he know what JR and MB(HIS friends) did that night, they put him to bed didn't they? Second, if he IS speaking for them accurately, then he MUST know exactly what went on that night. None of HIS friends did anything wrong. I would say he doesn't consider a couple out of town visitors from Michigan as his friends. Interesting discussions on here lately to say the least.

I agree 100%.

CR goes to bed and dumps LS on MB
MB dumps LS on JR and goes back home(?)
JR tries to dump her on a couple people and when no one answers, sends her off into the night.

How do any of them know what the other did? CR wouldn't know what EITHER MB or JR did. MB wouldn't know what JR did. Of course, to believe that any of them left her alone with just JR you are taking their word for it.


Then you have HT sticking up for everyone, including JW, right?

I know that no one wants to think their friend could do something terrible to another friend, but to blindly defend them 100%? They could not know 100%, according to their own stories.

 

[Jupiter812]

Frankly, I think his reaction is pretty typical of a self absorbed 20 something year old. Not that EVERY younger person is like that. But their world revolves around them. I am sure in a distant way he understands that the Speirer's are suffering, but he probably thinks "Why should that affect me?" I think you gain more empathy and wisdom as you get older. Especially if you have some kids of your own.

When I was 17, a group of my friends were in a horrible car accident, caused by reckless speeding. Of course our larger group of friends all felt bad and visited them off and on when we could. But our lives went on. We worried about grades and prom dresses, the whole time not considering for more than a few minutes a week that our friends were struggling with PTSD, learning to walk again, and that prom dresses were really not that important. Looking back, I can't believe that we all weren't more disturbed. In fact, I know that many of my classmates continued to speed around recklessly. Nowadays, I think my reaction would be much more intense. JMO

I understand what you're saying but there is a huge difference between that experience and this case. And IMO the youth factor is no excuse for CR's behavior and words after all this time. He has a lawyer and parents for pete's sake and apparently they have not schooled him. Likewise for JW and his inappropriate parents. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

Honestly it seems no one in the bunch nor their parents care about what happened to Lauren. It appears they are only pissed off about it.

 

[Dixie811]

Tomorrow the Spierer's will endure yet another holiday without Lauren. I can't imagine what that must be like.

I hope that while CR, MB, JR, and others sit around the dinner table with their families, they realize what has been taken away from the Spierer's.

It would be a miracle if these young men would gain some compassion and help the Spierer's bring Lauren home after all this time. I am always praying that someone who knows even a small something will feel compelled to come forward.

lease:

 

[AbbeyR]

Frankly, I think his reaction is pretty typical of a self absorbed 20 something year old. Not that EVERY younger person is like that. But their world revolves around them. I am sure in a distant way he understands that the Speirer's are suffering, but he probably thinks "Why should that affect me?"

Really? He was the last person to be seen with Lauren in public, dragging her home half-conscious. He claimed to have 'amnesia' and wouldn't take an LE polygraph. 10 days after Lauren disappeared, he was already complaining to the media that focus on Lauren's case was ruining his life. He has since accused the victim's parents of being liars and harassing him, when all they have done is ask him to cooperate with the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.

I appreciate the story you've shared and your compassion, but I don't think any of that is typical. It's not typical of most missing person's cases I've seen, and not at all what I would expect from the friend of a victim -- of any age -- especially one who was one of the last to see her alive.

JMO

 

[Jacobite]

These boys will be facing a lady judge. Their silence and extra pain they have caused by refusing to cooperate will likely backfire and burn them. Soon you will hear them blaming their lawyers for giving them bad advice.

 

[imkeylime]

Tomorrow the Spierer's will endure yet another holiday without Lauren. I can't imagine what that must be like.

I hope that while CR, MB, JR, and others sit around the dinner table with their families, they realize what has been taken away from the Spierer's.

It would be a miracle if these young men would gain some compassion and help the Spierer's bring Lauren home after all this time. I am always praying that someone who knows even a small something will feel compelled to come forward.

lease:

Thinking of the Spierer family and Lauren on this special holiday. It's definitely time for such a miracle. Somebody please bring it on.

Also, Happy Thanksgiving to all Websleuthers!

 

[CoolJ]

These boys will be facing a lady judge. Their silence and extra pain they have caused by refusing to cooperate will likely backfire and burn them. Soon you will hear them blaming their lawyers for giving them bad advice.

Possibly, but the most likely scenario is that someone breaks free and turns against the others. Not all of them can be complete sociopaths. Can they?

 

[ktgirl]

Thinking of the Spierers this Chanukah/Thanksgiving.

 

[deca]

Really? He was the last person to be seen with Lauren in public, dragging her home half-conscious. He claimed to have 'amnesia' and wouldn't take an LE polygraph. 10 days after Lauren disappeared, he was already complaining to the media that focus on Lauren's case was ruining his life. He has since accused the victim's parents of being liars and harassing him, when all they have done is ask him to cooperate with the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.

I appreciate the story you've shared and your compassion, but I don't think any of that is typical. It's not typical of most missing person's cases I've seen, and not at all what I would expect from the friend of a victim -- of any age -- especially one who was one of the last to see her alive.

JMO

I just want to make it clear I think his behavior is atrocious. Insensitive, self-centered, egotistical, and highly suspect.
It is highly possible that he had something to do with her disappearance or knows SOMETHING he isn't sharing.

That being said, I (sadly) know a lot of self centered people who are emotionally crippled and think this way all the time. Would they still be this way if a friend was missing? I hope not, but I really don't know.

 

[AbbeyR]

That makes sense, Deca. I appreciate your insight.

Hope everyone had a nice thanksgiving, and Happy Hanukkah to those celebrating