IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #31

[Jacobite]

j was careless and most daft. He said he was in 7th grade 15 years ago. So, add 13 plus 15 plus age of post and you have his age. Next he mentions getting his prescription at a drug store in Saginaw Michigan. Can we now tie DB or his brother to business in Saginaw? Uuuuuuuhhhhhhh? Golleeeeeeee! Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!!!!!!!!!

And, through the vile, filth, and woman hating- he's describing a gang rape on a girl who is out of it. If this person is indeed who it appears to be? We now have motive for hiding Lauren. Gang rape leading to death. Maybe that's the answer?

 

[sammi89]

The flaw I see in the OD theory would be once she would've passed and the hospital argument no longer valid, they could've put their wagons in a circle regarding where she got the drugs rather than making the body disappear.


Of course the counter would be they weren't thinking straight, or else couldn't control all of the sources that would place them supplying her drugs so would be tied back to the crime. But would that be any better than making her disappear and not being able to control the sources that would claim they supplied her drugs prior to this? I suppose if they were thinking 'no body, no crime' then all bets are off what they might've done. Especially if not thinking straight and in a panic scenario.

I still think it's possible they set up some type of Laurel and Hardy plan to blame her demise on a homeless person or random stranger and something unexpected happened that worked in their favor. Something where they never expected she wouldn't be found. My first theory was always the dumpster and it just being emptied before anyone checked it... but Jacobite looked into the pickup schedule and unless Jacobite was given incorrect info then that would seem to be ruled out.

Google "Body dumping and overdose" and see how many results you get. It really isn't as uncommon as everyone would prefer.

ETA: http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...d-of-putting-body-in-suitcase-dumping-it.html Here's someone who actually put someone who had just OD'd into a suitcase and tossed it in the dumpster. I really, really, really hope that LS did not suffer a similar fate

I see your point that there were many alternatives they may have chosen, but (IMO) if they didn't call during the critical time where LS may have been revived, I do not see them preferring to make up stories to explain her death. I think their thinking would be much more like your alternative: "no body, no crime." They don't have to explain her death then. If she's found after they have dumped her (whether it was the side of the road somewhere or the dumpster), they can claim they watched her walk away and have no idea what happened and then take it from there.

I'm also not sure when JR said this:

Rosenbaum told investigators that either Spierer or Rohn told him they'd crushed up and snorted Klonopin, a drug used for seizures and panic attacks, beforehand and that he believed they'd also taken cocaine. Spierer's family and investigators said they have no information that she consumed cocaine

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/02/missing-student-boyfriend-family-fume/2382909/

But it sounds like maybe they did, at some point, decide to either a) be truthful about what they knew or thought they knew she ingested or b) create a story about what she had ingested for their own purposes. Either way, JR is controlling at least some of the picture that is being painted of LS.


However, I think most importantly, if she OD'd, it would most definitely be a panic situation like you mentioned, especially if they sat around arguing about whether they should call or not.

 

[sammi89]

Because the possibility of OD and body dumping is being brought up again, I found this article useful. I'm sure there's others out there that are even better but I don't have a lot of time right now to search them all out lol. It is recent though!: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f5b3290c-1ee0-5c7c-9836-450885ec4214.html

Anyway, local Missouri case, but more importantly, it talks about why people might choose to dump a body rather than get help, the benefits of laws that wouldn't prosecute those who do decide to get help, how laws like this might be detracted from by other laws passed at the same time, how some legislation is crafted to only provide immunity to the person who actually calls 911, and how police trends show that they tend not to arrest for this sort of situation. Disturbing: the article quotes a University of Washington poll that found that only HALF of drug users called in the last OD they saw.

Of course, none of this matters if these people aren't aware of the laws.

 

[Ixchel13]

j was careless and most daft. He said he was in 7th grade 15 years ago. So, add 13 plus 15 plus age of post and you have his age. Next he mentions getting his prescription at a drug store in Saginaw Michigan. Can we now tie DB or his brother to business in Saginaw? Uuuuuuuhhhhhhh? Golleeeeeeee! Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!!!!!!!!!

And, through the vile, filth, and woman hating- he's describing a gang rape on a girl who is out of it. If this person is indeed who it appears to be? We now have motive for hiding Lauren. Gang rape leading to death. Maybe that's the answer?

Well, DB and his friend, a football player for UM, were POIs in a sexual assault/by rufie of a woman at a party in one of their dad's buildings in MI,
they got off. Could j, as we now think he is, have also been involved? We should look up missing/raped/found dead women in that area as well. As I said, j sounds like he's been down this road more than once.
Wonder who else came down with DB for the party? Let's see--his bro played football, his other bff is/was a football player, maybe JR was showing off for them as Jacobite said.

 

[Kadence]

Keep going y'all! Looks like the links to J are helping - I will look for more! Go, go, go, debate, rule out, keep asking questions, posting theories, find the answers, and let's bring Lauren home! Thanks for all you do for Lauren!

 

[monkey222]

I am amazed at how freely those losers post on PT board. I am learning alot by reading LS posts there, of course taking some with a grain of salt. But, verified or not verified, band site vs WS, these are still humans typing their thoughts for ALL of us to see. Please LE, NSA, monitor those few venomous posters. Gee whiz. Thx Ixchel for hammering at us to see what is on that blog.

 

[Ixchel13]

I am amazed at how freely those losers post on PT board. I am learning alot by reading LS posts there, of course taking some with a grain of salt. But, verified or not verified, band site vs WS, these are still humans typing their thoughts for ALL of us to see. Please LE, NSA, monitor those few venomous posters. Gee whiz. Thx Ixchel for hammering at us to see what is on that blog.

Thanks To Websleuth's Mods For Keeping It Real

 

[Wondering Aloud]

I looked at this about a year ago, and I KNOW it is stretch. But with the talk about DB and his brother (AB), well, I decided to post. I don't know the rules about links, etc., so I am not linking anything.
The B family is in real estate. If you take at look at their website, you can find AB's bio. The last listing for his is Paragon Properties. There are a couple of reasons I find this interesting.
First, while I can't find the info, paragon properties is privately owned (by the B family???).
Second, they have properties in Indiana. Listed as Indianapolis, Seymour (southeast of Bloomington) and Gary.
The reason I made the connection is this: About a year and a half ago my parents decided to move here. I was tasked with finding them a house to rent. There was, at the time, a paragon properties in Bloomington that was renting out homes.
A caveat: There is a town named paragon close to here, could be named after that. And, I really don't think the office here was connected to the one where AB works. But if someone can connect them, then it becomes very interesting.
Either way, I did find interesting the Indianapolis/Seymour connection and wanted to share.

Paragon Properties is owned by someone else (at least primarily), but they are all TIGHTLY connected....a few simple searches will show.

 

[Ixchel13]

I looked at this about a year ago, and I KNOW it is stretch. But with the talk about DB and his brother (AB), well, I decided to post. I don't know the rules about links, etc., so I am not linking anything.
The B family is in real estate. If you take at look at their website, you can find AB's bio. The last listing for his is Paragon Properties. There are a couple of reasons I find this interesting.
First, while I can't find the info, paragon properties is privately owned (by the B family???).
Second, they have properties in Indiana. Listed as Indianapolis, Seymour (southeast of Bloomington) and Gary.
The reason I made the connection is this: About a year and a half ago my parents decided to move here. I was tasked with finding them a house to rent. There was, at the time, a paragon properties in Bloomington that was renting out homes.
A caveat: There is a town named paragon close to here, could be named after that. And, I really don't think the office here was connected to the one where AB works. But if someone can connect them, then it becomes very interesting.
Either way, I did find interesting the Indianapolis/Seymour connection and wanted to share.

Not a stretch at all. You have someone who knows the area now, don't need a local. See, on the way to Seymour you have endless possibilities to
place someone or something at, including a nat'l forest, someone correct me but I think you can even cut through the forest to get to Seymour from here. Wonder if they have owned a vacation home here. Also, around Seymour---lots and lots and lots of small fishing lakes.

 

[Ixchel13]

it's the Muscatatuck National Refuge, a big forest near Seymour. So I guess we find these particular properties and then put them on a map with forests between BTown? sorry to keep editing. Seymour is surrounded by all kinds of forests and dotted with lakes on the map. just googled it. Could someone please post a map showing BTown to Seymour, including the forests and lakes?




Terrain
bloomington and Seymour

 

[Jacobite]

it's the Muscatatuck National Refuge, a big forest near Seymour. So I guess we find these particular properties and then put them on a map with forests between BTown? sorry to keep editing. Seymour is surrounded by all kinds of forests and dotted with lakes on the map. just googled it. Could someone please post a map showing BTown to Seymour, including the forests and lakes?




Terrain
bloomington and Seymour

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=seymour+indiana&ie=UTF-8&ei=rXGOUrGHJMLcyQGw_IGQBQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

btw, just fyi concerning j---682. 682 is the imprint on a specific narcotic pain med containing oxycodone.

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

Have you all read the 2 page pt thread titled "Another girl is missing from Bloomington, IN" in it a poster confronts j---682 about knowing the parties involved in Laurens case, he denies it. I don't think I believe him.

 

[Ixchel13]

btw, just fyi concerning j. 682 is the imprint on a specific narcotic pain med containing oxycodone.

wow, because as doubting thomas pointed out, the argentine poet j.o was born in June and died 1n 1982. another genius on that site with a clever play on words name. how many guesses as to who studied in Argentina and speaks the Argentine -styled Spanish fluently? Again, as Doubting Thomas pointed out, someone's older bro.

Let's take this beached whale down one rib at a time. smug schmuck.

 

[Ixchel13]

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=seymour+indiana&ie=UTF-8&ei=rXGOUrGHJMLcyQGw_IGQBQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

so, their property is less than 5 mi from muscatatuck refuge, just jump on hwy. 50 and you're there in less than 5 minutes! is that what you're seeing too
Jacobite?

 

[monkey222]

So the Adderall reference posted above reminded me of a quote I read early on in LS disappearance. I was new to WS so I either read it here or there was a link from this site. It was from? writing to the effect of "give Teddy an adderall and flashlight " to find LS. Apologies if I am not supposed to post so vaguely but does anyone remember this. I thought it was one of the 5Nrs?

 

[Jupiter812]

So the Adderall reference posted above reminded me of a quote I read early on in LS disappearance. I was new to WS so I either read it here or there was a link from this site. It was from? writing to the effect of "give Teddy an adderall and flashlight " to find LS. Apologies if I am not supposed to post so vaguely but does anyone remember this. I thought it was one of the 5Nrs?

Yes, Teddy is a friend of ZO and AB.

He or another dude from that group got into a drunken brawl at the Indy 500 and landed in the hospital at least for overnight.

 

[Jupiter812]

I hope LE and PIs are reading these threads. Vedy interesting!

And FWIW the lack of moderation on the Phish forum may be a gift in disguise.

 

[monkey222]

Good AM Jupiter, Exactly what I was thinking. The college boys not so clever, eh?.

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

This theory with J does work out very well. Almost too well. If, as unlikely as he's made it appear, MB really did everything as he says he did, then that would leave just JR and guests in the house alone with LS. That takes out any need for a motive for MB and CR to cover for JR. There's never been a good enough reason I could find for that unless MB and CR were directly involved. However, what it does leave us with is either JR being directly involved or the need for a motive for him to cover for the guest(s). Considering their joint business venture there is motive for JR to cover without being directly responsible. All the pieces fall into place with J.
So, anyone know what the guest vehicle situation was at 5N that weekend?