IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

[Ixchel13]

Thanks for the warm welcome, Ixchel and others. This case has bothered me from the beginning. The big problem here is that the simplest scenario and most likely on a statistical basis is that Lauren died in JR's apartment, and her body was disposed of. The problem is that there is not a shred of evidence that this happened. Is it possible? Absolutely. With no cameras catching anything along that street and the one that she allegedly went up, it is entirely possible that there was some car available that JR, alone, or with others used to just take her and dump her body somewhere. That the body was not found doesn't mean much. In the Casey Anthony case, little Kaylee's body was not found for a year, and when it was, it was a mile from the parents' home. LE and the search teams could have missed Lauren's body. The garbage pick up could have gotten her--I never could get it clear whether there was pick up at that time, and the search of the dump and land fills could simply have missed her. All very possible. The margins for error are sufficient for any for the scenario to be possible. The problem, however, is that it's only one of a number of possibilities, and you cannot accuse someone of something like this without adequate evidence. A lot more evidence.

It's still possible that Lauren is alive. Doubt it, but yes, it's possible. Not a sign of her death. She could also have been picked up by anyone, not necessarily abducted but willingly gone with anyone Could have gone to another apartment. Could have gotten into a car. And then anything could have happened from there. There are too many other possibilities that very easily could have happened to blame JR. He could well be telling the truth.

As for any of the young men refusing to take theofficial lie detector tests, there isn't a defense attorney around that would recommend them taking it. The down side is too problematic and the up side is just not there. Doubt the Spierers would have let their daughter take one in the same situation. Bear in mind that the families of these POIs and the SPierers are very similiar in many, many ways. Would not be surprised if Lauren had problems with the law and the Spieres lawyered her up . They don't want things brought out about her, and there is probably good reason for that. Those police tests are not that accurate. Also had Lauren's body been found with contraband in it, and the POIs admitted to giving her any of the stuff, they could be sued and likely be found liable for her death, whether they were the last ones to have seen her or not. I doubt that either JR or CR will be admitting to giving Lauren anything in the suit Lauren's parents have filed against them.

yeah anything could have happened....

regardless of that, it's just that her parents want this to be figured out, we want this t o be figured out, and
like the Spierers, people here want to go ahead and ride it out until someone takes responsibility...for selling drugs, whether their daughter used them or not; for hiding her body, three years now. if that's what the guilty parties think--that this should just go away--they have another thing coming, JMO.

also, just wanted to add something about what you said about her parents not wanting anything "bad" to come out about Lauren...not sure if you read any of the PT threads, you probably did, but just in case, just to let you know, all of the bad stuff you can think of has already been said about Lauren, and frankly, it doesn't weigh even a nano zillioneth of a feather compared to the fact that the one time, the one single time she needed someone to be there for her they weren't.

 

[jamicat]

Ixchel, her parents were denied a gag order that they specifically tried to get to keep out info harmful to their daughter's reputation. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...es-spierers-request-seal-information/6652817/

So even though they want the two men they are suing to "let it all out", they do not want it all out about their daughter. I don't see how they are going to get an iota of useful info at this point in time, given all the info that has been out and the time for the two men to come up with a story, true or not, that will fit the facts. There is simply no evidence to charge them for Lauren's death, if she is indeed dead. Don't even know if it can be pinpointed that either CR or JR gave Lauren any alcohol or drugs. I'd read early on that CR did NOT buy her drinks at the bar, and that she had a fake id. JR had some get together of sorts before she was at the bar with CR, and it was specifically made clear that he ran out of drink by the time Lauren was there (true or not, who knows, but that was the story) Lauren was already under the influence of something at the bar, from what bar employees and video seem to show, and it appears that CR was taking her home when he got into the altercation in her building after which he high tailed it back home, having taken some injury, and Lauren apparently willingly followed him. Though she not in good shape herself, there is ample evidence that CR was also not in great shape. He not only had been drinking, but had sustained an injury which his attorney claims addled his memory. But video footage and the timing show him going home and then his roommate, who has been excused from the case, has said that he put CR to bed and handed Lauren off to JR who verifies that story. By then the time is such that it makes sense that fatigue has also set in. I can't blame MB for what he did. His story seems to pan out--apparently his computer and his assignment verify that he was working on something that evening and was not involved in what his roommate, Lauren and others were doing that night. JR was a friend of Lauren's, she wanted to go to his place, no reason to keep a female around at that time in the morning when she had a friend next door she wanted to visit. Makes perfect sense to hand her off, as he said he did. No reason for JR to exonerate MB either unless it was true. Leaves JR alone with Lauren and as the last person there. My guess is that he was fatigued and probably doped up and drunk as well. No one was thinking clearly. So if indeed Lauren wanted to leave at that time in the morning, I could see someone as selfish and weak as JR, just showing her the door. Just wanted to get to sleep.

Wanted to add that the Spieres even noted that there are young women still walking around the area at that time in the morning while they were in Bloomington, after all of this transpired. And they still are to this day, and were doing so before Lauren did. Within a half hour of Lauren's alleged trek home, two women were walking around alone. Plus from what her roommates have said, this was not unususal for Lauren.

So though I agree that JR was no gentlemen, a coward, immature, and negligent in letting Lauren out the door, was what he did criminal? Clearly not. The Spierers are going after him in a civil suit and we'll see if that flies. What he should have done, was call campus security, the police, to escort her if he did not wish to do so himself or was in no shape to do so, but he might just not have been in shape to make that kind of decision. No, none of her friends, none of those men were there for Lauren when she needed them, is the way it most likely happened. That's the tragedy of this case, along with her own carelessness, negligence in her own safety and substance abuse. Lauren's parents have spent a fortune in PI services trying to find something, anything, as well as a massive PR campaign, and come up empty. If JR deliberately handed her over to someone or got rid of her himeself or was complicit, there is not a shred of evidence of it. Not one bit.

We won't find out until next year, it seems, but I personally doubt that JR and CR are going to come up with any new info as to what happened. We likely will find out a lot more about Lauren since her parents went through the trouble of trying get a gag order on anything about her, which was denied. So we'll likely find out what info they did not want made public. Yes, I am curious because I have read alot of things about Lauren, and like you, feel that it wasn't worth a nano zillioneth of a feather in this case. Not an iota. What relevance it has, I don't know. Whether she was a clean cut innocent or a hard core druggie hooker, and I don't think she was either, has no relevance at all in the fact that she just disappeared that early morning without a trace. What happened to Lauren? Where is she now? I feel for the Spierers who are agonizing over those questions. I wonder myself.

 

[Ixchel13]

Ixchel, her parents were denied a gag order that they specifically tried to get to keep out info harmful to their daughter's reputation. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...es-spierers-request-seal-information/6652817/

So even though they want the two men they are suing to "let it all out", they do not want it all out about their daughter. I don't see how they are going to get an iota of useful info at this point in time, given all the info that has been out and the time for the two men to come up with a story, true or not, that will fit the facts. There is simply no evidence to charge them for Lauren's death, if she is indeed dead. Don't even know if it can be pinpointed that either CR or JR gave Lauren any alcohol or drugs. I'd read early on that CR did NOT buy her drinks at the bar, and that she had a fake id. JR had some get together of sorts before she was at the bar with CR, and it was specifically made clear that he ran out of drink by the time Lauren was there (true or not, who knows, but that was the story) Lauren was already under the influence of something at the bar, from what bar employees and video seem to show, and it appears that CR was taking her home when he got into the altercation in her building after which he high tailed it back home, having taken some injury, and Lauren apparently willingly followed him. Though she not in good shape herself, there is ample evidence that CR was also not in great shape. He not only had been drinking, but had sustained an injury which his attorney claims addled his memory. But video footage and the timing show him going home and then his roommate, who has been excused from the case, has said that he put CR to bed and handed Lauren off to JR who verifies that story. By then the time is such that it makes sense that fatigue has also set in. I can't blame MB for what he did. His story seems to pan out--apparently his computer and his assignment verify that he was working on something that evening and was not involved in what his roommate, Lauren and others were doing that night. JR was a friend of Lauren's, she wanted to go to his place, no reason to keep a female around at that time in the morning when she had a friend next door she wanted to visit. Makes perfect sense to hand her off, as he said he did. No reason for JR to exonerate MB either unless it was true. Leaves JR alone with Lauren and as the last person there. My guess is that he was fatigued and probably doped up and drunk as well. No one was thinking clearly. So if indeed Lauren wanted to leave at that time in the morning, I could see someone as selfish and weak as JR, just showing her the door. Just wanted to get to sleep.

Wanted to add that the Spieres even noted that there are young women still walking around the area at that time in the morning while they were in Bloomington, after all of this transpired. And they still are to this day, and were doing so before Lauren did. Within a half hour of Lauren's alleged trek home, two women were walking around alone. Plus from what her roommates have said, this was not unususal for Lauren.

So though I agree that JR was no gentlemen, a coward, immature, and negligent in letting Lauren out the door, was what he did criminal? Clearly not. The Spierers are going after him in a civil suit and we'll see if that flies. What he should have done, was call campus security, the police, to escort her if he did not wish to do so himself or was in no shape to do so, but he might just not have been in shape to make that kind of decision. No, none of her friends, none of those men were there for Lauren when she needed them, is the way it most likely happened. That's the tragedy of this case, along with her own carelessness, negligence in her own safety and substance abuse. Lauren's parents have spent a fortune in PI services trying to find something, anything, as well as a massive PR campaign, and come up empty. If JR deliberately handed her over to someone or got rid of her himeself or was complicit, there is not a shred of evidence of it. Not one bit.

We won't find out until next year, it seems, but I personally doubt that JR and CR are going to come up with any new info as to what happened. We likely will find out a lot more about Lauren since her parents went through the trouble of trying get a gag order on anything about her, which was denied. So we'll likely find out what info they did not want made public. Yes, I am curious because I have read alot of things about Lauren, and like you, feel that it wasn't worth a nano zillioneth of a feather in this case. Not an iota. What relevance it has, I don't know. Whether she was a clean cut innocent or a hard core druggie hooker, and I don't think she was either, has no relevance at all in the fact that she just disappeared that early morning without a trace. What happened to Lauren? Where is she now? I feel for the Spierers who are agonizing over those questions. I wonder myself.

where to start.....

In this scenario I'm a drug dealer. I go around dealing drugs here and there with
no compunction about how much of my illegal product my customers consume. Who they may share my product with is not my concern. What they mix my product with may create a lethal poison, not my concern. oops. someone has died from mixing my product with alcohol. Too bad, they were an adult. They made bad choices, right?
In this scenario, you can't just skip over me, the drug dealer, and focus on the personality of my latest victim. Whether someone was just trying the drug for the first time, or a regular user, without me, they might be alive. The drug game is always a form of russian roulette and I the drug dealer supply the gun and bullets. When someone loses at the game, I should realize that I am going to be charged with murder, no matter what, because I am running this lethal game for profit.
If these guys did hide Lauren's body, they made the decision not to allow her parents closure. They had the benefit of expensive legal advice. Surely they were aware ahead of time what the public outcry would be, fallout from civil suit, etc, and decided
what course of action to take, which we are seeing unfolding.Maybe they did know about forums like Websleuths, but were they actually aware of the power of the search engine? I was shocked one day to see a comment I had made minutes earlier on WS coming up on Google! and with my username.

 

[jamicat]

Right now, LE has not even established that Lauren Spierer is dead, She could be perfectly fine and alive today. That' s how little progress was made in her situation. Appalling. It is very possible that JR and CR have no info at all that could help this case. She may have left JR"s house and have gone off with anyone after that. As for drug dealers, it's rare, can happen, but rare, that LE get down to the level of who supplied someone like Lauren any contraband. They have her on tape drinking alcohol at the bar, but they also found a fake id she used to get those drinks. She's been in trouble in this regard before. Bo Dietl indicated that the drug use in that are was so heavy, so prevalent and it still is. Don't think this even made a nick in the drug dealer's livelihood there.

As i said, I know a lot of JR, CR, JW, Lauren types, and it's unlikely they were thinking ahead about any of this. Though it's possible that those men she was with, dumped her body somewhere, I think it's more likely that she caught a ride with someone around that corner that JR said she turned, and once that happened, she could have gone anywhere, anything could have happened and whoever might have picked her up is home free--not picked up on camera, not on any radar. With the grilling that JR and CR got, even if that person or persons were innocent of what happened to Lauren after that, I can see that they would not want to get involved. It would simply take the heat off JR and CR and put it on them.

 

[elmorejames]

Right now, LE has not even established that Lauren Spierer is dead, She could be perfectly fine and alive today. That' s how little progress was made in her situation. Appalling. It is very possible that JR and CR have no info at all that could help this case. She may have left JR"s house and have gone off with anyone after that. As for drug dealers, it's rare, can happen, but rare, that LE get down to the level of who supplied someone like Lauren any contraband. They have her on tape drinking alcohol at the bar, but they also found a fake id she used to get those drinks. She's been in trouble in this regard before. Bo Dietl indicated that the drug use in that are was so heavy, so prevalent and it still is. Don't think this even made a nick in the drug dealer's livelihood there.

As i said, I know a lot of JR, CR, JW, Lauren types, and it's unlikely they were thinking ahead about any of this. Though it's possible that those men she was with, dumped her body somewhere, I think it's more likely that she caught a ride with someone around that corner that JR said she turned, and once that happened, she could have gone anywhere, anything could have happened and whoever might have picked her up is home free--not picked up on camera, not on any radar. With the grilling that JR and CR got, even if that person or persons were innocent of what happened to Lauren after that, I can see that they would not want to get involved. It would simply take the heat off JR and CR and put it on them.

In regards to the "drug game" at IU, I often wonder if LE knows the main dealers/players in the game? If it's such as an issue like Bo Dietl states, how come nothing is being done about it to crack down on it? I guess my real questions are for the people on this forum:

1) Do you personally think LE knows who these dealers are and allows them to operate?

2) Would it shock you if there were dirty cops profiting from these dealers?

I've always wondered about this, and more importantly I've always wanted more info about Lerg's suicide just days before Lauren's disappearance. Usually there are news reports whether or not an officer was struggling with depression, or even if shocked the rest of the department. I can't remember reading anything about it.

 

[jamicat]

College towns always have a lot of drugs floating around. The problem is that users/ dealers/students are all one and the same. oftne. Lauren used, she probably "dealt" in that she'd "share" or stock pile. It's common. LE lets it happen because they just can't shut it down when so many are involved. They'd have to close down the univeristy which is what is supporting them and the school. Every so often, someone goes too far, someone gets too greedy, someone gets careless and some kids are busted. I've seen this cycle repeatedly.

It would upset me if there were dirty cops profiting from this, but would I be shocked? No. SOme of those cops might have been or are students at IU. The lines are not that firmly drawn. But I don't thinkthat this disappearance has a whole lot of mystery, drug lord, conspiracy in it. It seems to me to be a terrible unpredicatable sequence of events. Lauren is known to drink and use drugs. She did so that day. Walking around that are at all times of the night is something often done, and she may well have done it before. Her roommates, her boyfirend didn't seem to miss her much that night. No curiouslity as to where she was late that night. IT was not unusual for her to be out and about.

The crucial thing to all of this, IMO is whether JR is indeed telling the truth about her walking out on her own at that time in the morning. Absolutely no proof either way. It is possible. And if she did, anyone could have picked her up that was driving by, or anyone walking that way could have invited her some where, and since there is no video footage, there is no way anyone can tell. If a vehicle was availbel to that person who is off the radar, very easy to just drive off anywhere and dump the body. Or Lauren could have been long out of the area soon after pick up. It could have been a friendly pick up, friendly sharing of drugs and her heart giving out, to something dastardly happening after she was picked up. No way of knowing. There is that giant black hole right there.

It's beyond frustrating to the SPierers, I'm sure that they can't get beyond that. That's in part why they keep going back to CR and JR. They are there. If Lauren indeed walked of that direction, then they are tuck. Dead end.

I also don't believe that JR knew where the cameras were all over town. Don't think he would have thought about them. At that time it was not such a prevalent concern. Hard to believe that he got a car and got out of there and back with Lauren's body disposed without something catching the maneuver. It's a big fat nada.

 

[akh]

In regards to the "drug game" at IU, I often wonder if LE knows the main dealers/players in the game? If it's such as an issue like Bo Dietl states, how come nothing is being done about it to crack down on it? I guess my real questions are for the people on this forum:

1) Do you personally think LE knows who these dealers are and allows them to operate?

2) Would it shock you if there were dirty cops profiting from these dealers?

I've always wondered about this, and more importantly I've always wanted more info about Lerg's suicide just days before Lauren's disappearance. Usually there are news reports whether or not an officer was struggling with depression, or even if shocked the rest of the department. I can't remember reading anything about it.

I tend to think LE has a fairly good handle on at least the bigger picture of drug dealing, but if they were to majorly crack down on it they'd be cracking down on a major portion of the student population either as dealers or consumers. Then you'd have to consider the PR of even 'going to war' on drugs at IU. You'd run off the golden goose: The student population. Bloomington's economy (and culture... and local taxes) would take a major hit if IU's student population declined. And you'd be announcing to parents that IU has a drug problem which would just keep more students away. It would be a butterfly effect for sure.

That's not to say they'd allow it to exist totally out in the open, or allow violence to become a regular part of it (which itself would be bad PR for IU). But just below the surface, controlled to a point, I could see them allowing.

 

[Ixchel13]

"Hard to believe that he got a car and got out of there and back with Lauren's body disposed without something catching the maneuver. It's a big fat nada."

BBM I'm sure that's wishful thinking on the POIs part, that it's just going to be a big fat nada. Don't forget about JW, he was not where he said he was. How does LE know this? LE has said many times that through one, two, and three tiers people questioned, stories don't add up.
IMO, the whole big bad drug dealer angle is a red herring. Also, no matter how many times Lauren did coke or whatever with the guy who dealt her drugs, he is still responsible for dealing an OD and for disposing of a body. again, like the russian roulette the dealer is playing by dealing drugs, when the bullet hits home it's his bullet and his gun. By inviting someone in and playing the game, each and every time the game is played, that dealer is responsible.
She could have fallen into a construction hole, or someone could have put her in one. It could have been
a random/not so random abduction. or any of the things you mentioned, about getting a ride w. someone, etc.
IMO, POIs involved, and her body has been taken far enough away to make people cocky and think they got away with something.

 

[jamicat]

Ixchel, you have a great handle on this case. I 've gotten a lot from reading your posts. I just so wish we could somehow get some break in this case, Something.

It all comes back to JR, IMO. If what he said is true, then she left his place at a certain time, I don't believe he'd know for sure, he'd be tired and blitzed out, but we know the earliest it could likely be from her trek with CR and MB's statement. Also if he is telling the truth that she placed the call to DR. If that is the case, she was either abducted or willingly got into a car with someone along that road, out of sight of the cameras. Or she joined someone else walking there, or went into an apartment along that area. She very likely disappeared on that stretch of road, went with someone. Someone off the radar, IMO. Probably a friendly encounter, as stranger abduction are rare, though possible. Someone offering her a ride, or some dope, or some company. And then it went wrong. Either she died on them, or she was assaulted.

Or JR is lying and he somehow got her body out of his apartment without a trace.

I do not believe JR is protecting anybody. Nor are MB and CR or JW. When it comes down to it, Those guys are weak and it's every man to himself if there is trouble or opportunity. They'd point fingers at each other in an instant.

LE, the PIs, the Spierers have to have come to pretty much the same conclusion. I wonder how much attention was given to any and all traffic going up/down that road, that day. I wish we could check every car that went on that road in the wee hours of the morning.

 

[Mahouston69]

I still want to know how that white truck was "cleared"

 

[akh]

I still want to know how that white truck was "cleared"

I was ready to believe LE and assume the truck to be a non-factor.... but at this point with NOTHING really seemingly happening with this case in all this time I am willing to put the truck back on the table. If nothing else just to wonder why the truck was thought to be circling the block/area which LE ultimately said turned out to be due to a time stamp error. Were they they only vehicle that appeared to circle the block?

 

[Mahouston69]

I didn't get that either..understood it to be that they had a reason to be in the area at that time of morning but confused as to how that "clears" them as no one stopped them that morning to see if she was under a tarp in the back before our after they were on camera... it was days later they were tracked down. The surveillance photos have always bothered me. Sigh.

 

[bessie]

The truck passed through the intersection only once. Two cameras with two different time stamps made it appear the vehicle came around the block a second time. I don't recall the exact times, but say, for example, one camera showed 4:10 and another 4:15. Later it was discovered one clock was five minutes off, and both cameras actually captured the truck at the same time.

LE did an extensive search of the truck. The driver was picking up a co-worker. Video evidence supports that account. I'm sure employer's records do, too.

There are scads of media links and posts about this in the previous threads. For now, here's one MSM link.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/0...-not-connected-indiana-students-disappearance

 

[Mahouston69]

I recall now about the time stamps and different cameras but still don't understand unless a forensic team impounded the truck how casually searching it days after her disappearance clears it. Also, what if the driver and co worker see a petite drunk girl and decide on a short detour on the way to work?

 

[CoolJ]

I recall now about the time stamps and different cameras but still don't understand unless a forensic team impounded the truck how casually searching it days after her disappearance clears it. Also, what if the driver and co worker see a petite drunk girl and decide on a short detour on the way to work?

I think LE superimposed a picture of Lauren sitting on a sidewalk and made it look like she was in the back of that truck. Why? I have no idea? But to me it is clear that that is her in the back of that truck. Clear as day.

 

[Mahouston69]

I think LE superimposed a picture of Lauren sitting on a sidewalk and made it look like she was in the back of that truck. Why? I have no idea? But to me it is clear that that is her in the back of that truck. Clear as day.

Right? I desperately was hoping LE would set us straight with photos of the truck in daylight, same angle with the "tools" that looked like a blonde girl in the back. No such luck.

 

[Ixchel13]

Ixchel, you have a great handle on this case. I 've gotten a lot from reading your posts. I just so wish we could somehow get some break in this case, Something.

It all comes back to JR, IMO. If what he said is true, then she left his place at a certain time, I don't believe he'd know for sure, he'd be tired and blitzed out, but we know the earliest it could likely be from her trek with CR and MB's statement. Also if he is telling the truth that she placed the call to DR. If that is the case, she was either abducted or willingly got into a car with someone along that road, out of sight of the cameras. Or she joined someone else walking there, or went into an apartment along that area. She very likely disappeared on that stretch of road, went with someone. Someone off the radar, IMO. Probably a friendly encounter, as stranger abduction are rare, though possible. Someone offering her a ride, or some dope, or some company. And then it went wrong. Either she died on them, or she was assaulted.

Or JR is lying and he somehow got her body out of his apartment without a trace.

I do not believe JR is protecting anybody. Nor are MB and CR or JW. When it comes down to it, Those guys are weak and it's every man to himself if there is trouble or opportunity. They'd point fingers at each other in an instant.

LE, the PIs, the Spierers have to have come to pretty much the same conclusion. I wonder how much attention was given to any and all traffic going up/down that road, that day. I wish we could check every car that went on that road in the wee hours of the morning.

they wouldn't point fingers unless they were above being pointed at as well. If they're as down and dirty as you say, they could also blackmail each other about drug dealing and what-not. If one of them dealt the drug, and the other was the last person with her......IMO, JW and JR respectively...maybe. Just one of the many combos it could be.

 

[Mahouston69]

I have purposely avoided any scrutinizing of this DWT, because of the last one

 

[jamicat]

they wouldn't point fingers unless they were above being pointed at as well. If they're as down and dirty as you say, they could also blackmail each other about drug dealing and what-not. If one of them dealt the drug, and the other was the last person with her......IMO, JW and JR respectively...maybe. Just one of the many combos it could be.

Not that sophisticated. I've seen literally thousands of the type. Plus I know the parents of the the type. That they stayed in Bloomington, got their degrees, pretty much is an indicator to me that there is not much else to know on their part. Their parents would have had their kids polygraphed privately six times to Sunday to get every bit out of them to know what they were dealing with and then would have sent them abroad and then elsewhere to get their degrees if there were an iota of anything they knew and were hiding. THey came up empty, and so the kids stayed there.

I'm currently following the Hannah Elizabeth Graham disappearance with interest, as I have child looking at UVA as a potential school. As always, heart wrenching situation. Unlike Lauren, the focus is on the townies, and the tone of the board is hands off the students. Hannah was drunk, "heavily intoxicated" when she left a party with fellow students, was offered accompaniment, but turned it down, got lost going to her next get together, and disappeared. In her case, it appears that they found the person who picked her up. Not a student. Though officiial charge is "abduction with intent to defile", it was not a swoop down and grab type of thing. Guess is that she willingly got in to the car to get a ride from the guy, and it went wrong.

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[CoolJ]

oh-oh, the DWT is making a comeback......lol. How about this--what if they simply switched trucks with another construction guy from the same site? It took a suspiciously long time for them to report themselves to LE. In the Mickey Shunick case, LE published a photo of the truck in question, right at the time the driver abducted her, but somehow shaded her out, and people on WS actually kept enhancing the pic until we could see the outline, or reflection, of her lit up wheels. IIRC, Ma Houston was involved in that?
Also, some sharp eyed people here saw what appeared to be her bike under one of BSL's wheels, or a reflection of that, on the pavement. So, LE WILL mess with the perp in these ways, and we, the
general public, don't know what's going on. After Mickey's case was solved, somehow, they let it be known that yes, she was originally in that pic. It was weird because it caused much controversy on the board and people just insisting that other people were seeing things that weren't there but they WERE there.

I can clearly see in one of the white truck pics an area shaded out on the sidewalk. I also see in the reflection of windows what could be LS sitting in that shaded out spot. Maybe I am just seeing things ... Maybe I am just seeing things in the way people were seeing things in the MS case...