IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #9

[SmoothOperator]

The ATTY for CR, Salzman, who is also the former DA.. He, as many of us have discussed, has been anything but tight lipped in this case..

And on more than one occasion he has made statements alluding to the involvement of JW..

He first stated that he hoped that LE took seriously and followed up on the direction and leads/info that his client provided to LE..IMO indicating that he and his client possibly had a good idea of who was responsible..

He later made a statement that CR/MB also had fully cooperated with meeting withbLE as well as immediately providing DNA.. He said that he was in contact with both MB and JR's Attys and that those 3 were absolutely NOT in any way involved with Laurens disappearance.. When asked about JW he could not comment.. IMO again somewhat alluding to JW being somehow responsible..

And then again he makes a statement that he certainly hopes that LE are going in the direction of the info that his client had provided and follows it up by stating that 90% of the time the responsible party is someone the victim was intimately involved with.. Again IMO once more alluding to JW being the party responsible..

Wonder how much he's talked with JRs ATTY and if he still presently feels the same or has an opinion of why JR has not put forth the effort to make himself available in person for LE to question, give DNA sample, and LDT as we know some of the others have..

Just wondering..

 

[jjenny]

We have to keep in mind that CR's lawyer job is to protect his client CR, who was after all one of the last people to have seen LS that night. A classic strategy for the defense attorney is to offer another plausible person of interest. And I suppose a boyfriend seems as good as any.
Perry Mason, anyone?
LOL.

 

[sueC]

I realize it's too early to name any suspects in this case, but with so much talk of POI (PsOI), can someone please explain why LE rarely uses the term "suspect" anymore? Would someone named a suspect have to be Mirandized before being interviewed? Thanks.

 

[cluciano63]

Nothing about Lauren at all on wishtv.com tonight...that is pretty sad...

 

[jjenny]

I realize it's too early to name any suspects in this case, but with so much talk of POI (PsOI), can someone please explain why LE rarely uses the term "suspect" anymore? Would someone named a suspect have to be Mirandized before being interviewed? Thanks.

After Richard Jewell was falsely suspected, LE does not like to use the word "suspect" anymore.

 

[ingra1327]

Soyesterday, I'm sorry for all the pain you had to go through. I'm sad for Lauren, too. If her "friend(s)" are involved, I'm sure she trusted them to watch out for her as well.

 

[Lovejac]

Haven't checked the thread yet, but there is a new article on

www.tonygatto.wordpress.com

NOT MSM

BLOG

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

The ATTY for CR, Salzman, who is also the former DA.. He, as many of us have discussed, has been anything but tight lipped in this case..

And on more than one occasion he has made statements alluding to the involvement of JW..

I recall one statement that could be interpreted that way (or other ways - it's ambiguous). However, he has also given a statement, I believe in a video interview iirc, in which he clearly indicates that his theory of the case involves a random and/or vehicular abduction (this was before the release of the white truck photos). That could be but is probably not a JW-related theory.

 

[cluciano63]

I haven't really said what i think happened that night to Lauren, cuz i go back and forth so much.
It's wierd....after being on websleuths so much, i am much more aware of my surroundings, afraid of walking alone anywhere, always check the back of van before i get in, etc. You could say i'm just a little paranoid!
I even find myself thinking if i went missing, who or where would say that they saw me last? (ex: "Oh she just picked up a prescription at 2pm today"or "i just saw her in line at at the drive thru" etc..)
But when it comes to like trusting people i know, i totally trust them. Isn't that weird?
Like, i mean....i'm married. I'm 35 years old. I have 3 kids. But i would trust any of my "guy friends". I didn't want to say "boy friends" cuz you know what i mean. What i'm trying to say is i don't think i would ever expect any of them to hurt me in any way, even ones i haven't seen in years or have barely talked to or maybe have only talked to on facebook.
I don't know why.
It sounds kinda contridicting. I really AM trying to make a point lol.
I even grew up in a Christian household....was surrounded by Christians all my life, but was still sexually abused from the time i was 11 till i was 17. (I just recently went to the police, in my 30's.....and my step father who was also a pastor was just convicted for what he did to me and my cousin and was put in jail.
Yet i still feel like i trust all my peers enough to be "alone" w/ them or tell them anything. Even though i am very afraid of strangers. And older men.....that's a different story....i think cuz of the abuse i went through.
Anyway, what i'm trying to say is a big part of me can't accept that any of the guys (her friends) could do anything that horrible to her. The ones she hung out with and trusted. Even her bf. But i know these things happen so much to so many girls/women. Their own husbands/boyfriends.....these men that once loved them, killing them out of rage or just pure selfishness or to cover up an affair or something like that. It still is imaginable to me. Even when my husband and i fight, i could never imagine him killing me or even considering it. Or like i said any of my friends who are guys. I trust all of them enough to be alone w/ them if i had to be.
To me, i feel like if there was ever an emotional connection or friendship of any kind, that stuff just wouldn't or couldn't happen.
It's kinda weird to feel that way towards them coming from someone who has been abused and is afraid of everyone else in the world and even just older men in general.
I dunno......
To me.....it feels like now....at this point....it has to be a stranger. At first i was upset at her friends and i think i kinda still am as far as feeling like they aren't doing enough to find out what happened to her or maybe aren't "caring" enough to be "around", but i don't think i can believe that they did something to her or are hiding her somewhere. I just don't see how a friend/friends/boyfriend can do that.
I know i should feel differently after all the stories here on websleuths.
I'm sorry for going on and on. Ignore my post if you want. I've had a couple vicodin, so i guess i'm a little "out of it" right now. I've had a horrible headache for weeks now.
Anyway, where are you Lauren? I wish you could come home right now to your family.

Except...in a majority of cases of crimes against women, the perp is usually someone who "loves" her...

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

He said that he was in contact with both MB and JR's Attys and that those 3 were absolutely NOT in any way involved with Laurens disappearance..

This I don't recall - MB, yes/perhaps, JR, no. Do you have a cite for that?

 

[bx2]

"Said Tamir, "(Rosenbaum) was with Lauren that night, and he was the last person to see her as she walked out of his house ... he made that very clear that Friday when we first realized she was missing and I believe him.""

http://www.lohud.com/article/20110613/NEWS02/106130325/Lauren-Spierer-s-roommate-details-day-disappearance

This account says JR was very clear he was the last person to see her "as she walked out of his house". We have also seen many reports of her last location as turning toward home at the corner of 11th and College, and also initial reports of near the intersection of 11th and College.

Does it seem credible to others that JR saw her walk down 11th and turn towards home at the alley instead of College? I would think that LE would hammer this very important detail home with his account, but it has not been very clear how much JR has spoken.

After seeing the pictures of the sightline to the corner in the dark, and knowing the route that LS took to get to the boys apts, it seems like this could fit.

 

[sv614]

The ATTY for CR, Salzman, who is also the former DA.. He, as many of us have discussed, has been anything but tight lipped in this case..

And on more than one occasion he has made statements alluding to the involvement of JW..

He first stated that he hoped that LE took seriously and followed up on the direction and leads/info that his client provided to LE..IMO indicating that he and his client possibly had a good idea of who was responsible..

He later made a statement that CR/MB also had fully cooperated with meeting withbLE as well as immediately providing DNA.. He said that he was in contact with both MB and JR's Attys and that those 3 were absolutely NOT in any way involved with Laurens disappearance.. When asked about JW he could not comment.. IMO again somewhat alluding to JW being somehow responsible..

And then again he makes a statement that he certainly hopes that LE are going in the direction of the info that his client had provided and follows it up by stating that 90% of the time the responsible party is someone the victim was intimately involved with.. Again IMO once more alluding to JW being the party responsible..

Wonder how much he's talked with JRs ATTY and if he still presently feels the same or has an opinion of why JR has not put forth the effort to make himself available in person for LE to question, give DNA sample, and LDT as we know some of the others have..

Just wondering..

Could you please provide a link to where CR's attorney, Saltzman, suggests JR is not involved?

 

[soyesterday]

Except...in a majority of cases of crimes against women, the perp is usually someone who "loves" her...

I know....it's just so hard to understand that...

 

[PaulR]

Haven't checked the thread yet, but there is a new article on

www.tonygatto.wordpress.com

NOT MSM

BLOG

Police confirm they have a witness telling them that he last saw Spierer walking along 11th St in downtown Bloomington and turning right onto College Avenue. Bloomington police Captain Joe Qualters says video evidence does not support the witness account. “It cannot be corroborated,” Qualters said.

Hold on, the Captain didn't say the witness account was wrong. They said they couldn't corroborate it (e.g. verify it independently.) That is a misreading of what the police have stated IMHO.

 

[jjenny]

This I don't recall - MB, yes/perhaps, JR, no. Do you have a cite for that?

I don't recall that either, but even if he did-he is a defense lawyer. What does anyone expect him to say? If LE starts making these kind of statements, that will impress me a lot more.

 

[soyesterday]

Soyesterday, I'm sorry for all the pain you had to go through. I'm sad for Lauren, too. If her "friend(s)" are involved, I'm sure she trusted them to watch out for her as well.

Thank you for saying that. I wasn't trying to make any of this about me, but was trying to explain how it's strange that i just totally trust any of the guys i've had a "history" with or am friends with, etc.
And i know you're right....i'm sure Lauren did too. Sadly, i'm sure most people do. I guess that's human nature. To totally trust your friends to watch out for you. Yet, a lot of times, those very same people seem to be the ones who hurt these innocent girls/women.
I don't get it.....

 

[soyesterday]

Am i allowed to see a link to where JR is?

 

[Gabby66]

I am new. I posted my coments/long list of questions many pages ago but no one has addressed them for me yet. Anyone?

I seem to believe the 3:38 sighting but them what doesn't sit well with me is how could she have made it clear down that alley with someone, then end up being blocks away about an hour later, and be so messed up she could barely walk?

Another thought - LE are not saying who is shown in the video walking with her in the alley. Why? Everyone assumed it's CR b/c his roomie says that she brought him back, but what if it wasn't him? What if the group of guys from smallwood met them somewhere? What if one of them is with her? Perhaps she never ever went to that apartment at all. Perhaps the boys' cover up is really meant for someone else. Didn't the camera only show her up to a certain point in the alley? This of course doesn't support the 3:38 sighting.

 

[SmoothOperator]

YA know I am not discounting the mgr's sighting at 3:38am but just like TG, himself who reported & interviewed this woman, he has even said that he does not believe that it is related to Laurens disappearance. I, too feel the same..

Think about this we have both Ajay Amin and his friend both out and about on these same exact streets and alleys AFTER LAUREN AND COREY WERE. How dl we know it was after? Because they both came across Laurens coin purse and keys with Amin stating it was sometime around 3am and we know his friend was even some time later..

To Go even a step further with it Amin is a dark skinned, dark haired male just as the mgr describes seeing..so too could his friend be as well..

So in knowing that these two guys were out and about on these same exact streets and alleys after Lauren and Corey were so that fits with the time frame of the mgr's sighting, along with the fact that at the very least one of these two guys that I am using As examples that were out and about on these streets.. One of them even similar to the description that is given..

So, I in no way whatsoever believe that Tony Gatto made this sighting up, nor do I believe the female made it up.. I believe that Lauren and Corey by far were not the only ppl that were on these streets that night.. I think just as we know for absolute certain of atleast 2 others.. So too do I imagine that LE was able to discern that whom this female saw was someone completely different amd unrelated to Lauren..

Lauren was not the only drunk and drugged up coed out and about that night and that too is why I believe that LE is having a tough time believing that Lauren actually even set out on that walk home to Smallwood.. They can't find anyone else to corroborate it at all.. Even when she would have traveled several blocks on the main street on College even passing the Waffle House but yet noone saw her anywhere at any point along that walk home..

Why?.. IMO because she never set out on that walk to begin with..

Jmo tho!*

 

[sv614]

Hold on, the Captain didn't say the witness account was wrong. They said they couldn't corroborate it (e.g. verify it independently.) That is a misreading of what the police have stated IMHO.

That is not a misreading. Police confirm they have a witness *telling* them that he (JR?) or she claims to have seen her. They are confirming that someone *claimed* to see her. They are NOT confirming that she was seen.