IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #9

[jjenny]

POI doesn't actually mean anything specifically. It can mean witness just as much as suspect.

But the driver of the truck was never declared a suspect, yet police publicly ruled him out.

 

[jjenny]

This is true. It still seems odd to me that the statement about the phone call came from HT and not from JR or his attny (from what I understand).

We already know that early reports named JR as the witness who saw her leaving at the time. And yet he is MUM now. WHY?

Neither JR nor his attorney have been giving any public statements, as far as I know.

 

[bx2]

This is true. It still seems odd to me that the statement about the phone call came from HT and not from JR or his attny (from what I understand).

We already know that early reports named JR as the witness who saw her leaving at the time. And yet he is MUM now. WHY?

We have heard about the 415 phone call from both HT (via JR, according to her) and from MB's attorney, Ron Chapman (via DR) (also DR's attorney on another matter). I would presume JR is mum on the advice of his attorney.

 

[jjenny]

Also, you are assuming that LE releases ALL the info they have to the public. No, they only release info that they believe would be beneficial to release in order to solve the case. Period, they end. They do not release gratuitous information just to satisfy public curiosity.

And finding the man who was supposedly seen with LS at 3:38 am on the night she vanished would not be beneficial?

 

[cluciano63]

As someone who went to a big ten school/midwestern university, and who did her fair share of partying/bar hopping/visiting with friends at all hours, the thing that I almost find weirdest about the whole story is that she left her shoes behind and continued to wander around -- apparently contentedly -- for a couple hours. College towns are filled with broken glass, icky stuff on the ground, patches of lawn that aren't well-maintained, cigarette butts and other garbage strewn around sidewalks and other areas where students hang out. Even after a night of drinking I would no sooner have walked around barefoot for any length of time than I would have eaten off the floor of a bar. Why didn't she go into her apartment, even after the altercation, at least long enough to throw on a pair of flip-flops? Why would she willingly leave the building without shoes? Was she unable to get into her apartment for some reason? It seems inexplicable to me.

I can't fathom this either, especially for a proclaimed "fashionista" who probably owns expensive shoes...but even more so just the idea of walking all around town barefoot. I know, I know, not weird if she was wasted, some say, but it is to me. I'm leaning towards her being carried at some point on the video LE has that they have referred to as "activity" taking place. I'm still shocked at the fact that she lost every single thing she went out with, and none of her friends or family have indicated any surprise at this fact. It kind of blows my mind, personally...losing everything.

I kind of wish Nancy Grace (much as I can't stand her show) wasn't so wrapped up in the Casey Anthony trial, as I think she could have had an interesting conversation with Lauren's roommate...

 

[epiphany]

The 4 main POI and in all this time the police have not publicly cleared any of them.Yet the police clear the driver of the white truck in basically a weekend.Why?

Probably among other things, video proof:

Video confirmed what the truck owner told police about being in the area to pick someone up, said Capt. Joe Qualters of the Bloomington Police Department. “The vehicle has been eliminated from the investigation,” he said.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/06/20/news.qp-1784939.sto

 

[cj1132]

FWIW, in my opinion, the 3:38 sighting is credible. I never really felt confident about the white truck but, for some reason, I do about this sighting. I realize it may not work with the released timeline but maybe the timeline is incorrect. Is the 4:30 time based just on JR's word? If he isn't telling the truth, then, IMO, then maybe the timeline could be incorrect. JMO

 

[jjenny]

We have heard about the 415 phone call from both HT (via JR, according to her) and from MB's attorney, Ron Chapman (via DR) (also DR's attorney on another matter). I would presume JR is mum on the advice of his attorney.

And yet JR must have been talking to HT if her statements are accurate. Or where else would she get the info of how JR supposedly try to stop LS from leaving, or how LS called DR? I wonder what his lawyer thinks about that.

 

[elmomom]

I believe the JR picture to which elmomom refers is the facebook picture; we just have different takes on it. He looks quite tall in that picture, at least 5'11", though it may be an illusion, and while I wouldn't call him big, he isn't skinny, either, but rather somewhat muscular-looking. It may be that the facebook picture is not in fact of JR, who also says he lives in Barcelona, clearly incorrect.

Actually the photo I was remembering was of CR, not JR. So, guilty party here of the CR-JR mixing up. As far as the Barcelona thing, some of the other players in this story have changed significant details of their pages to obvious falsehoods. I took it to be changes to make it harder to find their pages. Why these kids just don't go completely private is beyond me, as that is what I would do.

 

[epiphany]

FWIW, in my opinion, the 3:38 sighting is credible. I never really felt confident about the white truck but, for some reason, I do about this sighting. I realize it may not work with the released timeline but maybe the timeline is incorrect. Is the 4:30 time based just on JR's word? If he isn't telling the truth, then, IMO, then maybe the timeline could be incorrect. JMO

I believe it's only based on JR's account. LE can't corroborate it:

An acquaintance told investigators Spierer left his apartment about 4:30 a.m. and that he last saw her at the intersection of College Avenue and 11th Street as she walked toward her Smallwood Plaza apartment building three blocks away.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/06/20/news.qp-1784939.sto

 

[sv614]

And finding the man who was supposedly seen with LS at 3:38 am on the night she vanished would not be beneficial?

Again, you are assuming that they have not already found him. I don't know why, but you seem very adamant about this and refuse to acknowledge the possibility that LE has questioned him already.

You are also assuming that all POIs are created equal. Just because the driver of the truck was a POI and they publicly cleared him does not mean that they must publicly clear all other POIs.

Maybe they are not clearing the others because they want to put pressure on them to roll over on JR. There is no pressure to be put on the truck driver because he probably knew absolutely, literally, nothing about this situation that would help LE. And they don't want good citizens wasting their time worrying about or trying to obtain more info on him.

If CR, MB, DR (who, btw, I don't believe is a POI because he was allowed to participate in search) are not publicly cleared, then maybe they can be motivated to provide more info in order to rehabilitate their reputation.

And I think, eventually, they will.

 

[cluciano63]

I still can't imagine why JR would say that Lauren was with him until 4:30AM if she wasn't. Nothing explains to me why he would make this up, it only puts him in the worst possible position. So even if somehow she was scooped up by the "man in the street", he is still putting her at his place almost an hour later...she must have been seen there by someone else and he knows it.

 

[sv614]

I still can't imagine why JR would say that Lauren was with him until 4:30AM if she wasn't. Nothing explains to me why he would make this up, it only puts him in the worst possible position. So even if somehow she was scooped up by the "man in the street", he is still putting her at his place almost an hour later...she must have been seen there by someone else and he knows it.

You know what could be worse for JR than saying she was at his apartment until 4:30am? Telling the truth about where she was until 4:30am.

 

[Havana]

He is not the tall guy. The case dockets for their public intoxication/other infractions have their sizes posted. They are as follows

JR: 5'7, 150lbs
JW: 5'6, 135lbs
CR: 6'0, 155lbs
MB: 6'1, no weight listed.

These are not big guys, with the exception of MB, but again his weight is unknown. CR is thin, JW is small all the way around, and JR isn't much bigger than JW.

Someone may have already commented on this, if so, sorry. Frequently I plan to make a comments but by the time I finish reading all the posts, I forget what I wanted to say
I used to work for the court in Monroe County (where Lauren disappeared). If my memory serves me right, the information provided on the docket, such as height/weight, is taken from their drivers license.
I assume those boys have grown some since they were 16, maybe not in height (IDK, I only have girls) but probably in weight. Not that it makes much of a difference but I am fairly certain that their info was taken from their license.

 

[Jupiter812]

LS's name is all over the TG article which we're now referring to as the 3:38 sighting which I think is a more accurate and objective way to describe it. This witness is sure it was LS? I talked to someone about this tonight and the person said in B-ton at that hour there is more than one petite blonde who is messed up out on the streets.

 

[jjenny]

Someone may have already commented on this, if so, sorry. Frequently I plan to make a comments but by the time I finish reading all the posts, I forget what I wanted to say
I used to work for the court in Monroe County (where Lauren disappeared). If my memory serves me right, the information provided on the docket, such as height/weight, is taken from their drivers license.
I assume those boys have grown some since they were 16, maybe not in height (IDK, I only have girls) but probably in weight. Not that it makes much of a difference but I am fairly certain that their info was taken from their license.

Good point. A boy could grow a lot since 16 years old.

 

[ingra1327]

Someone may have already commented on this, if so, sorry. Frequently I plan to make a comments but by the time I finish reading all the posts, I forget what I wanted to say
I used to work for the court in Monroe County (where Lauren disappeared). If my memory serves me right, the information provided on the docket, such as height/weight, is taken from their drivers license.
I assume those boys have grown some since they were 16, maybe not in height (IDK, I only have girls) but probably in weight. Not that it makes much of a difference but I am fairly certain that their info was taken from their license.

Thanks for this information. It very well could be that they are taller, filled out and have grown inches since obtaining their licenses. I have boys and brothers and they can certainly grow taller after their 16th birthday!

 

[Blythe]

I can't fathom this either, especially for a proclaimed "fashionista" who probably owns expensive shoes...but even more so just the idea of walking all around town barefoot. I know, I know, not weird if she was wasted, some say, but it is to me. I'm leaning towards her being carried at some point on the video LE has that they have referred to as "activity" taking place. I'm still shocked at the fact that she lost every single thing she went out with, and none of her friends or family have indicated any surprise at this fact. It kind of blows my mind, personally...losing everything.

I kind of wish Nancy Grace (much as I can't stand her show) wasn't so wrapped up in the Casey Anthony trial, as I think she could have had an interesting conversation with Lauren's roommate...

Indeed, she truly did lose everything.

 

[mrsu]

I believe the JR picture to which elmomom refers is the facebook picture; we just have different takes on it. He looks quite tall in that picture, at least 5'11", though it may be an illusion, and while I wouldn't call him big, he isn't skinny, either, but rather somewhat muscular-looking. It may be that the facebook picture is not in fact of JR, who also says he lives in Barcelona, clearly incorrect.

I've seen the FB photo too. I was assuming the taller guy was JR, however, it could be that it is actually the shorter guy pictured?? I know some have suggested the shorter guy was CR, but if he is 6ft according to his arrests, then JR would have to be quite a bit taller than that. I think we assume because it says he's from Barcelona that he is tall, dark, and handsome, but maybe JR is really the shorter of the 2 guys pictured? Just a thought.

Also, I don't believe the call to DR has to do with anything nefarious. I just can't imagine JR calling DR for help, knowing that he would have to leave Smallwood, and all the cameras/key card scans etc., to come help get rid of a body.

As for the 3:38 sighting, I think it's entirely possible. I think JR could have attempted to walk LS home. Perhaps at some point LS realizes she doesn't have her keys/cellphone so JR walks her back to his apt. After looking around, they can't find the cellphone, make call to DR to see if he possibly had taken it back home with him or knew where it was. DR doesn't answer, they sit around for a bit, LS convinces JR she has sobered up, JR tries to convince LS to stay, against better judgement he lets her leave, and poof, she's gone. I actually think the chances of a stranger abduction are pretty low, but I don't see a reason to believe it couldn't be possible.

Then, we also have this 3:38 witness saying it didn't appear to be any of the POI's. Could also be that after LS left MB's she attempted to look for her keys and was retracing her steps, but for some reason decided to go down College St., runs into this guy who tries to help her. He wants to take her home, but knowing she didn't have her keys, she mutters something about the 5 North apartments and he gets her back in that direction where she eventually goes to JR's.

I would like to know:
-- If this 3:38 person wasn't a POI, surely LE has identified him and talked to him by now??
-- It's possible that this person was mistaken when she said it wasn't one of the POI's.
-- What time did LS show up at JR's apt?

Questions for Tony:
-- Did this witness say what direction they were heading? Did she see them walk off, or where they went?
-- Did she think anything suspicious when she saw this obviously intoxicated girl incoherent?
-- Does this witness know 100% it was Lauren and not some other drunken coed? Does she remember what she was wearing, etc.?

 

[soyesterday]

I haven't really said what i think happened that night to Lauren, cuz i go back and forth so much.
It's wierd....after being on websleuths so much, i am much more aware of my surroundings, afraid of walking alone anywhere, always check the back of van before i get in, etc. You could say i'm just a little paranoid!
I even find myself thinking if i went missing, who or where would say that they saw me last? (ex: "Oh she just picked up a prescription at 2pm today"or "i just saw her in line at at the drive thru" etc..)
But when it comes to like trusting people i know, i totally trust them. Isn't that weird?
Like, i mean....i'm married. I'm 35 years old. I have 3 kids. But i would trust any of my "guy friends". I didn't want to say "boy friends" cuz you know what i mean. What i'm trying to say is i don't think i would ever expect any of them to hurt me in any way, even ones i haven't seen in years or have barely talked to or maybe have only talked to on facebook.
I don't know why.
It sounds kinda contridicting. I really AM trying to make a point lol.
I even grew up in a Christian household....was surrounded by Christians all my life, but was still sexually abused from the time i was 11 till i was 17. (I just recently went to the police, in my 30's.....and my step father who was also a pastor was just convicted for what he did to me and my cousin and was put in jail.)
Yet i still feel like i trust all my peers enough to be "alone" w/ them or tell them anything. Even though i am very afraid of strangers. And older men.....that's a different story....i think cuz of the abuse i went through.
Anyway, what i'm trying to say is a big part of me can't accept that any of the guys (her friends) could do anything that horrible to her. The ones she hung out with and trusted. Even her bf. But i know these things happen so much to so many girls/women. Their own husbands/boyfriends.....these men that once loved them, killing them out of rage or just pure selfishness or to cover up an affair or something like that. It still is unimaginable to me. Even when my husband and i fight, i could never imagine him killing me or even considering it. Or like i said any of my friends who are guys. I trust all of them enough to be alone w/ them if i had to be.
To me, i feel like if there was ever an emotional connection or friendship of any kind, that stuff just wouldn't or couldn't happen.
It's kinda weird to feel that way towards them coming from someone who has been abused and is afraid of everyone else in the world and even just older men in general.
I dunno......
To me.....it feels like now....at this point....it has to be a stranger. At first i was upset at her friends and i think i kinda still am as far as feeling like they aren't doing enough to find out what happened to her or maybe aren't "caring" enough to be "around", but i don't think i can believe that they did something to her or are hiding her somewhere. I just don't see how a friend/friends/boyfriend can do that.
I know i should feel differently after all the stories here on websleuths.
I'm sorry for going on and on. Ignore my post if you want. I've had a couple vicodin, so i guess i'm a little "out of it" right now. I've had a horrible headache for weeks now.
Anyway, where are you Lauren? I wish you could come home right now to your family.