IN IN - Paul Raymond Harrod, adult, may have been using false identity, Hamilton County, 27 Nov 1992

[Laughing]

BTW, @CyresAres1, can you give us a little info about the bread-crumb trail that led you to this person from Indy?

 

[StarrChance]

Fake Paul, how do we know he said he went to Roosevelt, where did that come from?

I believe that is what he told his wife.

Also interesting to note is JC birthdate is 1948, fake PH had to use 1942. If the JC is Fake PH it would make him 44 years old in the wedding photos which many thought he look younger than 50. M (wife) was 31.

 

[StarrChance]

The whole enchilada right here! This may be where the Air Force story fits?

@stargazer17, have you been nosy on the Facebook page???



JMHO YMMV

I don’t know how to look up those records but I wouldn’t discount the Navy also?

 

[Simply Southern]

@CyresAres1, are you able to access Social Security Income records for JC? If JC showed no employment for the years he was posing as PH, if would help confirm. SS records would be a good trail for JC..

 

[Vern]

Fake Paul, how do we know he said he went to Roosevelt, where did that come from?

It came from the Verified Investigator for this case - CyresAres1 - in response to a series of questions posed to him by @Laughing about what were actual "known" details ...

@CyresAres1 responses found in post linked below here:

IN - IN - Paul Raymond Harrod, adult, may have been using false identity, Hamilton County, 27 Nov 1992


Q&A:

What school did he list? Yearbook available? Paul Coletti enrolled??? Roosevelt H.S. in Yonkers NY They did not have the name Harrod... EVER. I need to check Coletti
Where did he live when he met this Mrs. Harrod? Hortonville, IN. A small town south of Sheridan IN
Was the gas station where she worked between his residence & St. Vincent's? Did he work at St. Vincent's when they met? They actually met at a children home where they were both working in Sheridan.
How long did they know each other prior to their wedding? They only knew each other for a few months.
They were married for 1 year to the day when he left? They were married June 6th, 1992 and he left Thanksgiving Day 1992
Her family members remember anything about him? Her sister is the only one left... and she remembers certain things.
What is the logo on his leather jacket? Is it really leather? The jacket is cheap Chesty jacket. The image is that of an Indy car. He worked as a potato chip delivery guy for a time... Chesty Foods.

 

[CyresAres1]

@CyresAres1, are you able to access Social Security Income records for JC? If JC showed no employment for the years he was posing as PH, if would help confirm. SS records would be a good trail for JC..

I am trying to get that information (formally)... unofficially... there are some interesting things though.

 

[CyresAres1]

Where did he list that he went to Roosevelt HS?

On an employment record for the hospital at which he worked.

 

[CyresAres1]

BTW, @CyresAres1, can you give us a little info about the bread-crumb trail that led you to this person from Indy?

It was a tip the day after my podcast... daughter of a guy who was friends with JC

 

[KayteeLee]

It was a tip the day after my podcast... daughter of a guy who was friends with JC

Did M know if FPH had a tattoo on his right arm? It looks as though JC does.

 

[chaz]

https://records.courts.alaska.gov/e...*Y5tLMlTDrGEfxDQCybKT7SZX0lQG0K4nEiORZgsmJNDQ
Is this the same J.C. ? (DOB 09-301948) It is filed in 1990, when Paul was supposed to be in Indiana, right?

 

[Laughing]

https://records.courts.alaska.gov/e...*Y5tLMlTDrGEfxDQCybKT7SZX0lQG0K4nEiORZgsmJNDQ
Is this the same J.C. ? (DOB 09-301948) It is filed in 1990, when Paul was supposed to be in Indiana, right?

From a bit of genealogy work, there is some Junior/Senior happening in this situation, in some cases impossible to tell if JC, Sr. is mentioned or JC, jr.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

From a bit of genealogy work, there is some Junior/Senior happening in this situation, in some cases impossible to tell if JC, Sr. is mentioned or JC, jr.

The incident in 1990 says it’s JC, Sr. JC, Jr would have been too young.

I suppose it’s possible he was traveling between the two places.

 

[StarrChance]

https://records.courts.alaska.gov/e...*Y5tLMlTDrGEfxDQCybKT7SZX0lQG0K4nEiORZgsmJNDQ
Is this the same J.C. ? (DOB 09-301948) It is filed in 1990, when Paul was supposed to be in Indiana, right?

Yes that is him as the wife name is correct. Interesting one divorce record lines up with the name next to his on class records. All the John J is him.

 

[Vern]

Yes that is him as the wife name is correct. Interesting one divorce record lines up with the name next to his on class records. All the John J is him.

The name does match the yearbook spousal name for the listed 2006 "Divorce Without Children";
Page 2 sees a "Dissolution With Children" as a co-petitioner with LC in 1999; that case doc show ongoing custody issues until 2005.

Interesting that docket 2004's 1JU-04-01487CR (PAY [but no pay to view is actually required to see it]) still shows his payment to the court as being "outstanding".

Also interesting: If you sort the cases by clicking on the "date" tab, it details that he has had quite the interaction with Alaska Court Systems. Records show something each and every year except 2000 and the gap indicated below:

Alaska Court System interactions beginning in 1990
Gap from October 1991 to May 1994
Many and varied from May 1994 to 2005

I suspect he was in Ohio prior to 1990 - building up that new Fake-Paul identity and was probably there under his real name or another false identity and was involved in their court systems too IMO;
Showed up in Alaska in 1990;
Noticeably absent in Alaska Court System for time period when Fake-Paul was known to be active in Indiana
I suspect that he spent the time between Indiana disappearance (Thanksgiving '92 to early '94) in Canada (based upon a pic/commentary from a relative and deduction from his page).

This JC can't seem to stay away from the court system. IMO, the history prior to 1990, whether Ohio or elsewhere, whether under his real name or another, will show involvement in the court system there as well - he's a court magnet!

 

[StarrChance]

The name does match the yearbook spousal name for the listed 2006 "Divorce Without Children";
Page 2 sees a "Dissolution With Children" as a co-petitioner with LC in 1999; that case doc show ongoing custody issues until 2005.

Interesting that docket 2004's 1JU-04-01487CR (PAY [but no pay to view is actually required to see it]) still shows his payment to the court as being "outstanding".

Also interesting: If you sort the cases by clicking on the "date" tab, it details that he has had quite the interaction with Alaska Court Systems. Records show something each and every year except 2000 and the gap indicated below:

Alaska Court System interactions beginning in 1990
Gap from October 1991 to May 1994
Many and varied from May 1994 to 2005

I suspect he was in Ohio prior to 1990 - building up that new Fake-Paul identity and was probably there under his real name or another false identity and was involved in their court systems too IMO;
Showed up in Alaska in 1990;
Noticeably absent in Alaska Court System for time period when Fake-Paul was known to be active in Indiana
I suspect that he spent the time between Indiana disappearance (Thanksgiving '92 to early '94) in Canada (based upon a pic/commentary from a relative and deduction from his page).

This JC can't seem to stay away from the court system. IMO, the history prior to 1990, whether Ohio or elsewhere, whether under his real name or another, will show involvement in the court system there as well - he's a court magnet!

Agree with all your thoughts! In the past have found some connections to Canada, however didn’t look into it at the time. Yes the court cases are many, however not overly “serious” I think?
My other thinking is the name Colombo, I can’t connect him atm to the gang/crime family (well apart he lived there at the time) but a lot of what was happening in the Bronx links in to the possibility that he would want to “disappear “ if connected!

 

[Owutatangledweb]

The name does match the yearbook spousal name for the listed 2006 "Divorce Without Children";
Page 2 sees a "Dissolution With Children" as a co-petitioner with LC in 1999; that case doc show ongoing custody issues until 2005.

Interesting that docket 2004's 1JU-04-01487CR (PAY [but no pay to view is actually required to see it]) still shows his payment to the court as being "outstanding".

Also interesting: If you sort the cases by clicking on the "date" tab, it details that he has had quite the interaction with Alaska Court Systems. Records show something each and every year except 2000 and the gap indicated below:

Alaska Court System interactions beginning in 1990
Gap from October 1991 to May 1994
Many and varied from May 1994 to 2005

I suspect he was in Ohio prior to 1990 - building up that new Fake-Paul identity and was probably there under his real name or another false identity and was involved in their court systems too IMO;
Showed up in Alaska in 1990;
Noticeably absent in Alaska Court System for time period when Fake-Paul was known to be active in Indiana
I suspect that he spent the time between Indiana disappearance (Thanksgiving '92 to early '94) in Canada (based upon a pic/commentary from a relative and deduction from his page).

This JC can't seem to stay away from the court system. IMO, the history prior to 1990, whether Ohio or elsewhere, whether under his real name or another, will show involvement in the court system there as well - he's a court magnet!

Found nothing in court system for JC in Cuyahoga, Lake, or Summit County Ohio felony or Common Pleas civil divisions. I did not check any of the municipal (city) courts for misdemeanor or civil. There are many websites for those. If someone has time, they could check Willoughby, Mentor, Painesville up in Lake County.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Found nothing in court system for JC in Cuyahoga, Lake, or Summit County Ohio felony or Common Pleas civil divisions. I did not check any of the municipal (city) courts for misdemeanor or civil. There are many websites for those. If someone has time, they could check Willoughby, Mentor, Painesville up in Lake County.

Same as to Geauga and Ashtabula.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Found nothing in court system for JC in Cuyahoga, Lake, or Summit County Ohio felony or Common Pleas civil divisions. I did not check any of the municipal (city) courts for misdemeanor or civil. There are many websites for those. If someone has time, they could check Willoughby, Mentor, Painesville up in Lake County.

Could he be hiding in plain sight?

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[chaz]

Could he be hiding in plain sight?

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I think the second link is about someone else. His height is stated as 6'3" , Paul's height is etimated tot be 5'5".

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Could he be hiding in plain sight?

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Ya never know!!!