In Retrospect-Kronk Believes He Saw Skull In August

[Wudge]

Notice this is a picture of a live snake, not a dead snake.

 

[Bev]

What I don't understand is why you take this story as fact. Nowhere in the story does it quote Kronk as saying this. There are no inconsistencies in his story, there are police call records to support his initial claims and when he did find the body he immediately called the police.

 

[Wudge]

He may have known he was looking at a skull when he saw it. But his extreme desire to remain anonymous may have kept him from saying it outright to the dispatcher. Sorta like... I gotta get the cops over here, but I can't tell them I found the body because then I become pulled into the media and the trial and I don't want that. Let the cop take the credit for finding her. I just have to get him over here by saying things just don't look right. I'll explain to the dispatcher that I have a suspicious feeling but not give any details of what I actually saw.

True or false. The bag was underwater when Kronk first saw it in August?

True or false. Kronk told the tip line or the officer that the bag was underwater?

 

[Hot Dogs]

This is one of my questions about Kronk:

Did he or did he not know about "the case" before finding the remains?

I believe it was his first call to a dispatcher on Aug 11 that he states he works in the "Caylee area". I think he uses the names "Caylee" and "Anthonys" in that conversation.

 

[concentric]

Well, EXCUSE ME......

The next time I WONDER about something in this case, I'll *simply* scroll thru the 500K posts on this case so I can be sure to give credit to the first poster who THOUGHT the same.

have a nice day........

Look, people on here have corrected me when they were the initiators of an idea, and I accept that as a learning experience and enlightenment. I know there are thousands of posts to scan through, but please accept when you are wrong to take credit for something you overlooked.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Notice this is a picture of a live snake, not a dead snake.

That is a dead snake which has been posed for the photo.

 

[concentric]

I believe it was his first call to a dispatcher on Aug 11 that he states he works in the "Caylee area". I think he uses the names "Caylee" and "Anthonys" in that conversation.

Yes, yes and yes. So why does the media insist that he merely unknowingly stumbled upon the remains?

 

[icherish]

I really believe Kronk saw the remains in August and knew exactly what he had found. He may have realized that being associated with the remains up-close-and-personal could cause a lot of trouble for him and, in the long run, for the prosecution's case. I believe he did his best to lead LE without incriminating himself. When that didn't work, he grappled with his conscience and his conscience finally won.

As Kronk said, "No good deed goes unpunished." It's the nature of a high profile case.

I cannot reasonably believe a person of good faith would EVER shut up after finding what they KNEW was a child's remains.

I can only see it if that person didn't want to incriminate his/herself, as you said...but then, people who have nothing to hide (as RK said) are not worried about incriminating themselves.

 

[Wudge]

That is a dead snake which has been posed for the photo.

How did you come to the conclusion that that is a dead snake in the picture?

 

[Hot Dogs]

True or false. The bag was underwater when Kronk first saw it in August?

I do not believe that Kronk mentions water in any of his calls to LE.

True or false. Kronk told the tip line or the officer that the bag was underwater?

Who knows?

 

[pirate]

True or false. The bag was underwater when Kronk first saw it in August?

True or false. Kronk told the tip line or the officer that the bag was underwater?

From GMA Interview:


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6635154&page=1

After a little exploring, Kronk said he saw a suspicious bag in a wooded, watery area just off the road. Kronk made a total of three calls to authorities but when a detective met Kronk to investigate further, Kronk said the effort was frustratingly cursory.

"He went to the water's edge. I pointed to where it was at. He just swept his head back and forth and said, 'I don't see anything.' And pretty much, that was it. I guess the deputy didn't want to go in the water to look at the bag," Kronk said. "The cop was, I would say, he was kind of rude to me."

Kronk conceded that his warning that the area was infested with snakes could have hindered the investigator's search.

In December, police confirmed they had searched the area in August, but the search was hindered because the area was under water at the time.

Kronk said that he returned to the area in December because he had to relieve himself and that is when he found the bag that had Caylee's remains inside. By then, much of the water had dried up, he said.

 

[Wudge]

I do not believe that Kronk mentions water in any of his calls to LE.




Who knows?

Allegedly, in August, the spot where the bag was lying was underwater.

I think it's fair to say that is an important detail to report.

 

[chefmom]

Correct. The defense will love this.

The more story inconsistencies Kronk provides, the longer his scortched-earth, cross-examination will take. This one will be morbidly ugly.

That is what I am afraid of. All of these inconsistencies, whether real or imagined, are just fodder for the defense. There are times when I have to force myself away from this case because everything gets so confusing and convoluted. And, if the people who have followed very closely since the beginning can get that way after so many months of paying close attention, what is all of this going to do to the jurors in the short time they have to absorb and think about all of this? I pray that the prosecution has rock-solid, irrefutible evidence that says KC did it, and anything that will catch anyone and everyone who may have helped her cover up. MOO

raying:

 

[Hot Dogs]

How did you come to the conclusion that that is a dead snake in the picture?

Living snakes do not coil their bodies in that position... particularly if somebody is standing over them taking a picture. Portions of the body appear "deflated". The head is resting on the body. If this was a living rattler, it would have it's head elevated and looking at the photographer... ready to strike. Or, it would be trying to flee and the picture would look different.

Dead snake.

 

[JWG]

Carrying over a discussion from the prior thread.

Has it been confirmed by anyone other than LP that the MR supervisor is a neighbor of the Anthony's? Given he threw out the gentleman's first name on national TV, I would lean toward it being true, but it would be nice to have confirmation.

If true, there are two neighbors on Hopespring with the first name. The first lives across the street from the properties that border the crime scene. Interesting coincidence, but I believe it is just that.

The second lives across the street from Kiomarie's father. I would tend to believe this person to be the supervisor. He may have been interested in the location based purely on what Kiomarie's father relayed to him, rather than cell or portable phone eaves-dropping.

 

[Bev]

How can the defense use this to impeach Kronk's testimony? This is gossip, not evidence.

 

[concentric]

OK, so Kronk needs to admit that there were dual purposes to him going back to the site: "to seek shade" and to check and see if his perceptions are correct. This would predicate that he knew something about the case. Why would someone needing to pee, automatically think that a bag embedded in the ground was suspicious? He had to have known about the case, to even assume that.

 

[concentric]

That is what I am afraid of. All of these inconsistencies, whether real or imagined, are just fodder for the defense. There are times when I have to force myself away from this case because everything gets so confusing and convoluted. And, if the people who have followed very closely since the beginning can get that way after so many months of paying close attention, what is all of this going to do to the jurors in the short time they have to absorb and think about all of this? I pray that the prosecution has rock-solid, irrefutible evidence that says KC did it, and anything that will catch anyone and everyone who may have helped her cover up. MOO

raying:

:clap:

 

[Hot Dogs]

Carrying over a discussion from the prior thread.

Has it been confirmed by anyone other than LP that the MR supervisor is a neighbor of the Anthony's? Given he threw out the gentleman's first name on national TV, I would lean toward it being true, but it would be nice to have confirmation.

There is a recording of Kronk's conversation with his supervisor. In that recording, Kronk says he is at Hopespring. The supervisor says he lives there. Then the conversation proceeds.

 

[Wudge]

From GMA Interview:


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6635154&page=1

After a little exploring, Kronk said he saw a suspicious bag in a wooded, watery area just off the road. Kronk made a total of three calls to authorities but when a detective met Kronk to investigate further, Kronk said the effort was frustratingly cursory.

"He went to the water's edge. I pointed to where it was at. He just swept his head back and forth and said, 'I don't see anything.' And pretty much, that was it. I guess the deputy didn't want to go in the water to look at the bag," Kronk said. "The cop was, I would say, he was kind of rude to me."

Kronk conceded that his warning that the area was infested with snakes could have hindered the investigator's search.

In December, police confirmed they had searched the area in August, but the search was hindered because the area was under water at the time.

Kronk said that he returned to the area in December because he had to relieve himself and that is when he found the bag that had Caylee's remains inside. By then, much of the water had dried up, he said.

As reported therein, there are more inconsistencies for the defense.

Why did he not tell the tipline that the bag was underwater? Don't forget, he called in on the 11th and 12th of August before he met with the officer on the 13th.

He only reported seeing a dead snake. How did he determine it was a "snake infested" area.

What was he doing searching an, admitedly, snake infested area? Why was that a good risk? What would the reward have been for doing so?