In Retrospect-Kronk Believes He Saw Skull In August

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  • #321
DR. BILL MANION, PATHOLOGIST: No. It seems the evidence now shows that she was killed at home. There was decomposition in the trunk of the car and her body was transported there.

I guess what bothered me today when I read the story that Mr. Kronk thought he saw a skull in August, correct me if I`m wrong, but when I first heard about Mr. Kronk discovering the skull, he said he picked up a plastic bag and the skull rolled out of the bag. How did the skull get back in the bag? He said it was sticking out of the bag. This was from August until December? I just don`t believe it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: None of it really makes a whole lot of sense.

MANION: The body could remain undisturbed for five months with animals and wind and rain and flooding. It doesn`t make sense to me.
 
  • #322
Pirate, maybe you can help me with these questions:

1. Since wild life is so prevalent in FL, is LE trained on what to do when encountering an alligator, a venomous snake, etc ?

2. If so, I can't just imagine the recommended response to the potential for very large venomous snakes is the baton. Wouldn't the office being putting himself in more jeopardy by attacking a large snake with a baton ?

Kronk's statement that officer pulled out his baton after the snake discussion has nagged at me. One detail too many.....


I'm not in LE so I'm only speaking from my civilian perspective on this:

Where I used to work we had a retention pond near our parking lot and people thought it was fun to feed the baby alligators. Well those gators got accustomed to being fed and we had one that became an aggressive beggar. When they are a foot or two long, it's cute. But when they grow to 3 or more feet, it's scary. This one would hang out under cars and prevent people from getting into their cars.

One afternoon we called the police and they instructed us to contact a professional trapper, so that's what we did. He came out, caught the gator with a noose, taped his mouth shut, threw him in the back of his truck and "relocated" him. In actuality, I believe if a gator is aggressive with people it has to be killed so that's probably what happened.

I'm sure if the situation were precarious an officer could shoot the gator but they are protected and that does not happen very often- only in life or death. Even when gators enter garages trappers are called to remove them.


As for snakes, we surprise them as much as they surprise us. One time I was in my own yard bending over to pick up a ball and while my hand was down I noticed a pygmy rattlesnake inches from my hand. It didn't strike but I sure screamed bloody murder! Snakes tend to disappear as quickly as they appear- so if I saw a diamondback and called the police, I can virtually guarantee it would be gone before they arrived- unless it was stuck in a confined space (my home or garage).

Honestly, I cannot imagine what a police baton would do for anyone running into a snake. Those batons are only about 18 or 24 inches long- too close for comfort with a venomous snake.

We found a cottonmouth in the yard recently- it was cold so the snake was pretty docile. We used a shovel and placed it in a bucket and relocated the snake.

I would imagine if the officer pursued that area in August, he could have called for help- hipwaders, a hat, body covering, etc would have been sufficient to protect them from snakes.

And honestly, if you make enough noise and racket- stomping feet, using loud voices, snakes will clear out as a rule.

The bad thing about cottonmouths/water moccasins is that they are aggressive and they sometimes hang in low branches over the water. It's not common but they have been known to drop from those branches into boats and on people.

But overall, bites are rarely in the news.
 
  • #323
I'm not in LE so I'm only speaking from my civilian perspective on this:

Where I used to work we had a retention pond near our parking lot and people thought it was fun to feed the baby alligators. Well those gators got accustomed to being fed and we had one that became an aggressive beggar. When they are a foot or two long, it's cute. But when they grow to 3 or more feet, it's scary. This one would hang out under cars and prevent people from getting into their cars.

One afternoon we called the police and they instructed us to contact a professional trapper, so that's what we did. He came out, caught the gator with a noose, taped his mouth shut, threw him in the back of his truck and "relocated" him. In actuality, I believe if a gator is aggressive with people it has to be killed so that's probably what happened.

I'm sure if the situation were precarious an officer could shoot the gator but they are protected and that does not happen very often- only in life or death. Even when gators enter garages trappers are called to remove them.


As for snakes, we surprise them as much as they surprise us. One time I was in my own yard bending over to pick up a ball and while my hand was down I noticed a pygmy rattlesnake inches from my hand. It didn't strike but I sure screamed bloody murder! Snakes tend to disappear as quickly as they appear- so if I saw a diamondback and called the police, I can virtually guarantee it would be gone before they arrived- unless it was stuck in a confined space (my home or garage).

Honestly, I cannot imagine what a police baton would do for anyone running into a snake. Those batons are only about 18 or 24 inches long- too close for comfort with a venomous snake.

We found a cottonmouth in the yard recently- it was cold so the snake was pretty docile. We used a shovel and placed it in a bucket and relocated the snake.

I would imagine if the officer pursued that area in August, he could have called for help- hipwaders, a hat, body covering, etc would have been sufficient to protect them from snakes.

And honestly, if you make enough noise and racket- stomping feet, using loud voices, snakes will clear out as a rule.

The bad thing about cottonmouths/water moccasins is that they are aggressive and they sometimes hang in low branches over the water. It's not common but they have been known to drop from those branches into boats and on people.

But overall, bites are rarely in the news.


Thanks so much for the info AND quick response. I wonder why then the officer pulled out his baton, if RK is being truthful about that. Maybe just for show...
 
  • #324
We have lots of rattlers in my area. Since I go into our hilly areas all the time, I run into rattlers frequently. They don't bother me, because I know that if I don't bother them they won't bother me. I have had my scares in the past, but finally learned they are mainly looking to defend themselves, so I just don't threaten them at all.
I also know if I get bit they key is to remain calm to slow down the venom running through my bloodstream, call for help and I should have a good hour before it becomes really serious. So it is manageable.
 
  • #325
JBean explained it well- the element of surprise is the worst aspect of running into a snake. They're sneaky little buggers and the tend to pop up when you least expect them.
 
  • #326
http://www.wesh.com/news/18469488/detail.html


I think this is good for the prosecution:

It shows that the body was there in August.

And the responding officer who did not find the body in August is a three year veterand and he has a history of not handling calls properly. Two other complaints have been filed against him.


Everyone??

I apologize if any of what I post has already been discussed, I am just beginning to read thru the threads from last night and this morning

If he believed he saw a skull (which would be out of the bag) why did he not say as much during those calls in August?
?????In August, he now says, he may have seen the skull, but in December he picks up a bag and a skull falls/rolls out???
Which is it?

Also mentioned by Natisha L, she spoke with one of the other meter readers working with Kronk in August and she said Kronk went into the woods to relieve himself and came back out and said nothing. She then goes onto say he called in the tip later on that evening.??????
 
  • #327
I read somewhere that Kronks wife passed away not too long ago. I think it said from Cancer. It also said that Kronk spent his life savings trying to save her and pay for her medical care. Maybe he was out looking for Caylee so he could collect the reward. It did say he was in a bad financial situation and lost everything due to his wife and needed to somehow get back on his feet. that's another reason they were trying to get him some reward money. I don't think Kronk was involved in Caylee's death. Why would he call the police a zillion times if he was?

I agree with you, I think he deserves a reward for finding Caylee's remains, and that's the extent of his involvement.
I do think this makes OCSO look kind of bad, rather than Kronk. It took him 4 calls to get their attention. And IF he thought he saw a skull back in Aug. then he would have said so, I believe. Also according to some knowledgable people, the skull would not be white... more like a dirty gray color.
 
  • #328
You are incorrect Wudge. I’ve raised pythons for twenty years and a snake would never rest its central body on its neck like that.

A natural position for a live snake would be coiled but not allowing its own weight to prevent it from striking or fleeing.


Look closely at Kronk's picture. The head of the rattler in Kronk's picture is above (resting on) its central body. It's not under it -- the shadow of the snake's head validates that this is true.


(I'm reminded of the blood drops on Dr. Sheppard's watch.)
 
  • #329
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Originally Posted by Hot Dogs
Nope. He never mentions relieving himself on Aug 11 - only on Dec 11. In fact, if you listen to him on GMA, it seems that he entered the woods on Aug 11 because he thought it was a likely place to dump Caylee.


Kronk on GMA
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I know, that is an inconsistancy with Kronk.

Prior to GMA, he did not say in statements that the reason he entered the woods was he suspected Caylee's body might be there.
 
  • #330
I was wondering if the $250,000 reward would have still been on the table in August? Could that be why Kronk is now saying he saw a skull in August,JMHO. Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
 
  • #331
Where is everyone getting the idea that he called that late on the 11th? He called at 16:39:11 on the 11th, which is 4:39pm at the end of his shift, most likely. Officer Adriana Ace**** took the dispatch, clearing the scene at 17:04. She's a fast worker and made no comment, but no one is questioning what she did in carrying out her duties. One the 12th he called at 21:10. Yes, this one was at 9:10 pm. Officer Elizabeth C****** couldn't access the scene because it was dark, most likely. She is certainly excused. The 13th call was at 3:18:55 pm.

The water couldn't have been that bad in August, before Fay. There was very little rain and Kronk was able to get close enough to see the round white object. The area likely slopes beginning at road grade so even after rain, it wouldn't hold water near the road, unless the road also flooded or there was a lot of rain, which didn't come till later. Also this video shows it was quite dry within that area. Isn't this the same no trespassing sign as at the crime scene?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gNJdDjZrgg

PS, I sure hope NEJ and the media send the first $10,000 to his ex for his share of caring for his own child. It's fine and good to care for a stranger's child but we should take care of our own first. If his child is 25 that makes this debt over 7 years old.

Connie
 

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  • #332
Where is everyone getting the idea that he called that late on the 11th? He called at 16:39:11 on the 11th, which is 5:30pm at the end of his shift, most likely.

he went on GMA and said he called at the 9pm hours. Cute.:rolleyes:
 
  • #333
I was wondering if the $250,000 reward would have still been on the table in August? Could that be why Kronk is now saying he saw a skull in August,JMHO. Apologies if this has been mentioned before.

IIRC....the 250K was for the return of a 'live' Caylee.
 
  • #334

FWIW, this snake looks like it could be in a stage of molt - dull skin, rough-looking around the curve of its body. Snakes become inactive and don't eat during molt. They usually prefer to hide, but possibly it was looking to use the road to help with sloughing.
 
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FWIW, this snake looks like it could be in a stage of molt - dull skin, rough-looking around the curve of its body. Snakes become inactive and don't eat during molt. They usually prefer to hide, but possibly it was looking to use the road to help with sloughing.

so how'd that snake get in the back of the truck?
 
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Good eye, debs. It looks like the snake was placed on a corrugated black plastic bed liner.
 
  • #339
Yes, a truck bed makes sense. When I first saw it I thought of blacktop pavement but the ribs didn't fit. AND, did anyone notice that the first officer to take his call, Adriana, is the same officer that checked out Sawgrass on July 15? I wonder if she was just as efficient on checking out that story.
 
  • #340
Good eye, debs. It looks like the snake was placed on a corrugated black plastic bed liner.

Am I confused ??

I thought I heard on an audio snip that MR told 'em (in the call) LE should look for his "blue chevy cavalier"....
 
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