GUILTY IN - Ryan Martin, 29, murdered in suspect Talmadge Jasper's home, Lafayette, 23 May 2019

[Boxer]

That doesn't make any sense. What would make you think that? That TJ told him SR was at his place. It states in the paper that was published that RM gave TJ a ride home from work. RM and TJ worked together. My point was why would RM even give TJ a ride home if TJ was his girlfriends x boyfriend that had a protective order.

Why is your concern what RM did or didn't do?

 

[Purduegirl12]

Why is your concern what RM did or didn't do?

Not my concern by any means. It's just my Im . I enjoying listening to true crime podcast and following some. So I try to look at the whole picture. I only was saying that RM thinking SR was at Tj house because TJ told him that seems very out there. In MOO since the news report said RM gave TJ a ride home from work.

 

[Boxer]

MOO Personally think that RM asked TJ for a favor in order to give TJ a psychological boost and was trying to get TJ normalized about SR. Anyway, that is how RM's character reads to me.

 

[tresir2012]

Very good read. I don't understand why RM would be hanging out with TJ. If his girlfriend SR had a protection order on him why would he want to be friends and hang out. I at some point wondered if SR knew that RM gave TJ a ride home from work? I wondered if he really went to the house of RM. I read that he had one of those breath things you have to blow in to start the car. Moo if he had killed RM why didn't he kill SR when he was at the house.? This case is very odd. There seems so many things that don't add up. I seen someone post RM was getting ready to go to jail in a few days. Not that his criminal history means he deserved to die, because it didn't. But I wonder RM and TJ have a fight maybe? Did something happen and then TJ freaked out and tried to cover it up? They both look to be about the same size. My heart goes out to all that are involved. RMs family and TJ as well. Both parents have to be struggling as well as RM daughter.

I am just rereading posts to remind myself of the conversation flow and notice you say " I wondered if he really went to the house of RM." Do you doubt the information SR gave to LE that TJ was in her home when she called 911? If so, what makes you think that?

 

[jillybean51]

That doesn't make any sense. What would make you think that? That TJ told him SR was at his place. It states in the paper that was published that RM gave TJ a ride home from work. RM and TJ worked together. My point was why would RM even give TJ a ride home if TJ was his girlfriends x boyfriend that had a protective order.

Why not?RM is dead.He can’t say what his reasoning was to drive TJ home.The best way to get him into his apartment would be to tell him that SR was there.Just thinking outside the box......

 

[kc1023]

JMO No offense, all ideas count, but RM could have just called SR to see where she was and wouldn't just take TJ's word for it, no offense but I don't think that idea holds any water. Everyone has a phone nowadays and it would have taken a minute to give her a call to verify if she was at TJ's

 

[Purduegirl12]

Why not?RM is dead.He can’t say what his reasoning was to drive TJ home.The best way to get him into his apartment would be to tell him that SR was there.Just thinking outside the box......

I read on one of the news sites that they both worked 11pm-7am and RM was driving TJ home from work. Moo TJ wouldn't have said SR was in the apt and thats why he went into the apt.

 

[tresir2012]

I read on one of the news sites that they both worked 11pm-7am and RM was driving TJ home from work. Moo TJ wouldn't have said SR was in the apt and thats why he went into the apt.

So why do you think RM went into TJ's and why do you doubt TJ went to RM's house afterwards?

 

[Boxer]

TJ's attorney has contested no facts of the case that the prosecution has assembled. These facts are from the Probable Cause Affidavit and subsequent discoveries.

The Probable Cause Affidavit was the source of the original news stories that stated that TJ had planned the murder of RM in advance.
MOO I don't see evidence of that pre-planning in the news available.
Without knowing what the police found out at the time, by having access to the PCA there is no way to know now why they think it was planned in advance.

 

[tresir2012]

The fact he told the girls the night before to be gone before 7 a.m. because RM was coming around indicates preplanning at least to get him inside his house. The killing may not have been pre planned but then why else would he have expected RM to come round. What we do not know is whether this was a one off or frequent occurrence right?

 

[tresir2012]

Just showing the charges again. As well as murder, TJ has been charged with breaking and entering and violation of a protection order.
This clearly shows he was in SR's house.


Parties to the Case
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Defendant Jasper, Talmadge Russell
State Plaintiff State of Indiana
Charges
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01 05/24/2019 35-42-1-1(1): Murder
02 05/24/2019 35-43-2-1.5/F6: Residential Entry break and enter dwelling
03 05/24/2019 35-46-1-15.1(a)(1)/MA: Invasion of Privacy-Violates protective order under IC 34-26-5 to prevent dom

 

[Purduegirl12]

So why do you think RM went into TJ's and why do you doubt TJ went to RM's house afterwards?

I wonder if it was something to do with drugs or if TJ would drive for RM. Thats my moo after seeing RM crimminal history. It will be interesting to see how things play out.

 

[Boxer]

RM was by all accounts a very generous and nice guy. Too bad he ever encountered TJ.

Also, I think RM was trying to help TJ stabilize.

RM seemed mostly a marijuana and alcohol case. Held his job for 10 years, basically since high school, and apparently a wonderful Dad.

TJ is now pleading that he doesn't know right from wrong - that
basically that kills when he wants to.

 

[janewall]

TJ is now pleading that he doesn't know right from wrong - that
basically that kills when he wants to.

Snipped for focus.

Do you have a source for this? As a strategy in Indiana, it doesn't seem to leave him an for living a life outside institutional walls.

 

[Boxer]

Snipped for focus.

Do you have a source for this? As a strategy in Indiana, it doesn't seem to leave him an for living a life outside institutional walls.

The jury can and usually returns a verdict of guilty and insane.

Snipped for focus.

Do you have a source for this? As a strategy in Indiana, it doesn't seem to leave him an for living a life outside institutional walls.

That is the justice problem with an insanity defense. If he is found innocent because of insanity - after the trial he goes to a mental institution, once "cured" he is then free.
Indiana also has a "guilty but insane" finding that the jury can decide on too, much more appropriate.
If TJ found guilty but insane - first he stabilizes at an institution and when well enough, goes to prison to start his sentence.

Having psychologists tell the court if TJ was insane at the time based on talking with TJ and his records is such BS, everyone that kills, whether MH or not is altered emotionally at the time they kill.
Most people get killing angry at some time or other, they just choose to derail themselves from that action and don't kill.

MOO by now it is highly likely that TJ is stable in jail with no street drugs, regular medication and predictable routines.

MOO yet now with more clarity he is allowing his lawyer to plead "innocent" by insanity for him, TJ shows that personally is a coward and schemer, he is not taking responsibility for what he did and hoping to avoid appropriate restitution.
MOO he killed because of who he is not because of "insanity."

 

[janewall]

The jury can and usually returns a verdict of guilty and insane.


That is the justice problem with an insanity defense. If he is found innocent because of insanity - after the trial he goes to a mental institution, once "cured" he is then free.
Indiana also has a "guilty but insane" finding that the jury can decide on too, much more appropriate.
If TJ found guilty but insane - first he stabilizes at an institution and when well enough, goes to prison to start his sentence.

Having psychologists tell the court if TJ was insane at the time based on talking with TJ and his records is such BS, everyone that kills, whether MH or not is altered emotionally at the time they kill.
Most people get killing angry at some time or other, they just choose to derail themselves from that action and don't kill.

MOO by now it is highly likely that TJ is stable in jail with no street drugs, regular medication and predictable routines.

MOO yet now with more clarity he is allowing his lawyer to plead "innocent" by insanity for him, TJ shows that personally is a coward and schemer, he is not taking responsibility for what he did and hoping to avoid appropriate restitution.
MOO he killed because of who he is not because of "insanity."

Thank you for clarifying that there can be an innocent because of insanity verdict. I misunderstood the verdict options in Indiana and thought that guilty but insane was the only possible verdict including insanity as a mitigating factor.

 

[Boxer]

Thank you for clarifying that there can be an innocent because of insanity verdict. I misunderstood the verdict options in Indiana and thought that guilty but insane was the only possible verdict including insanity as a mitigating factor.

You can look up Indiana law by selecting a law site from a google search of the topic -- but some of the best explanations are posted in defense attorney websites which can be posted here as they are actually advertisements.
Indiana tried to close the loophole of "Innocent by insanity" but I guess one can still plead it. Grotesque.

 

[Boxer]

You can look up Indiana law by selecting a law site from a google search of the topic -- but some of the best explanations are posted in defense attorney websites which can be posted here as they are actually advertisements.
Indiana tried to close the loophole of "Innocent by insanity" but I guess one can still plead it. Grotesque.

sorry- I meant: individual lawyer sites CAN'T be posted here.

 

[Boxer]

Thank you for clarifying that there can be an innocent because of insanity verdict. I misunderstood the verdict options in Indiana and thought that guilty but insane was the only possible verdict including insanity as a mitigating factor.

Before TJ's plea I thought that too.
I find RJ's plea shocking and offensive.

 

[tresir2012]

Just showing the charges again. As well as murder, TJ has been charged with breaking and entering and violation of a protection order.
This clearly shows he was in SR's house.


Parties to the Case
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Defendant Jasper, Talmadge Russell
State Plaintiff State of Indiana
Charges
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01 05/24/2019 35-42-1-1(1): Murder
02 05/24/2019 35-43-2-1.5/F6: Residential Entry break and enter dwelling
03 05/24/2019 35-46-1-15.1(a)(1)/MA: Invasion of Privacy-Violates protective order under IC 34-26-5 to prevent dom

Not sure if these dates have been posted but these are the next court dates for TJ.

01/31/2020
Pretrial Conference
Session:
01/31/2020 8:30 AM, Judicial Officer: Meyer, Steven P
02/25/2020
Jury Trial
Session:
02/25/2020 8:30 AM, Judicial Officer: Meyer, Steven P