IN - Subway's Jared Fogle - plea deal in federal child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 case, 2015

[Madeleine74]

30 years ago a young couple had unregrettable sex. So it's no surprise that girls now are prostituting themselves? Huh?

Point.Sailed.Way.Over.Head.

1. Not every minor who takes money for sex has a pimp, a drug habit, is living on the street. Some yes. Many, sure I'd believe that. All/most? I don't think that's true.

2. Some minors solicit sex for money. And they use the Internet as one way of doing this. Not all. Some.

3. It's illegal to solicit sex for money, regardless of how it's done. And it can be a felony for someone over 18 to have sex with a minor. The burden rests on the adult.

4. This (teens having sex and even having sex with adults) is not new. What is new are the laws around this have been made much tougher, more serious (felony conviction, registered sex offender, long prison sentences). Back when I was a teenager (17/18), those types of crimes weren't seen as anything serious. The laws protecting minors didn't exist the way they do now. (thank goodness they now exist!).

5. An adult can be a sex offender (sex with a legal minor) and not be a pedophile (not attracted to pre-pubescent children). Not saying JF is or isn't. I'm making a general comment. They are not one in the same, although the legal trouble is similar.

 

[Elley Mae]

If it was a 10 year old would you feel the same way?

Is your delineation that they know it is illegal and that they were able to make their way there?

In reference the the 10 yr old comment, I know someone (male) that is serving 3 consecutive's for child rape under ten and I am in full agreement with that sentence. kinda wish it was harsher, just an fyi. jmo idk

 

[DexterMorgan]

He said the solicited sex was amazing. I think his sex life was minimal through most of his life and he is stuck in his teen years.

Like some of these teachers who have sex with their students.

 

[human]

I can't copy from this book, but this talks about the lovely life of the teen prostitute.

It categorizes the different kinds.

If this does not make people cry for these children, then nothing will.

https://books.google.com/books?id=f...-OwMP#v=onepage&q=teenage prostitutes&f=false

 

[Elley Mae]

HMMMM.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/22/jared-subway-charges-children/32155115/

Thanks IzzyBlanche for this.


This article helps to tell what was going on at the time he was seeking out the young females. It seems to have happened gradually over time and as he was able to get away with it.

 

[Elley Mae]

He said the solicited sex was amazing. I think his sex life was minimal through most of his life and he is stuck in his teen years.

Like some of these teachers who have sex with their students.

bbm lol I hate to say this but it's my opinion that most people's sex life is minimal. jmo.

 

[Madeleine74]

He was horrendously overweight and (IMO) is not at all attractive in addition, so he got thin(ner), then got famous, then got wealthy being a spokesperson over the last 15 yrs, traveling all over, and his darker impulses came bubbling out. By that point he had the money to pursue these dark impulses and the technology to pursue them in an easier/more convenient fashion. Nonetheless, busted! Go to jail, go directly to jail! Forever branded a sex offender.

 

[DexterMorgan]

bbm lol I hate to say this but it's my opinion that most people's sex life is minimal. jmo.

Lol. Hugh Hefner has built an empire on that notion for decades. Lol.

 

[Elley Mae]

He was horrendously overweight and (IMO) is not at all attractive in addition, so he got thin(ner), then got famous, then got wealthy being a spokesperson over the last 15 yrs, traveling all over, and his darker impulses came bubbling out. By that point he had the money to pursue these dark impulses and the technology to pursue them in an easier/more convenient fashion. Nonetheless, busted! Go to jail, go directly to jail! Forever branded a sex offender.

I'm on board for jail time, don't get me wrong. And with his fascination with kiddy he needs help, therapy and monitoring. jmo idk
that is not to be taken lightly, jmo to me it is an addiction and not be taken and or looked at lightly. If I were the wife here he would never see the kids again. jmo idk

 

[Madeleine74]

And with his fascination with kiddy

That's my remaining question: did he specifically ask for images of young kids engaged in sex or was that part of a cache of stuff his buddy sent him?

Don't get me wrong, either way it's horrible, I'm just curious whether he's a pedophile or not (remember the definition of pedophile).

If I were his soon-to-be ex-wife I too would do everything in my power to ensure he never saw the kids again.

 

[Elley Mae]

IDK I guess what this says to me is that no matter what you can NOT ever trust anyone at any time. jmo idk I have it when I have a good feeling about someone and then after a few years or decades the truth about that person suddenly surfaces and then people realize that all is not to be. It seems to be a matter of time anymore before truth rises to the occasion even if it does get buried on page 3... of what ever paper jmo idk As an aside, subway was ok in it' time, but I like panera bread right now, it's less salty to me.

 

[human]

Wellllllllllll, if I was a parent ( and I am) and a friend sent me kiddie , I would go to the FBI like yesterday. Who would want someone like that loose and in your life?

 

[Elley Mae]

From the indictment, in reference to the child .

• Between 2011 and April 2015, Fogle received from multiple pornographic images of minors engaging in sexually explicit contact.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/08/19/fogle.indictment.pdf

• The images and videos were recorded by Taylor at his home through the use of hidden cameras.

 

[Ixchel13]

Well JF had sex with 2 girls under 18 (for money) that we know about. That's part of the charges. And there were other victims in which he viewed pictures and video over some time period that he acquired from the other guy who's been charged. So there are additional charges of possession and distribution from his computer. He wanted to sleep with more girls and younger than 16, but whether he did or not, I don't know.

I am not sure why you are belaboring this, nor do I understand why you feel the need to tell me how I could have worded my post better. I stand by what I said and I think I worded it just fine. I will parse it for you one last time, then I am finished with this discussion.

I was saying, if one says Fogle deserves to be raped in prison (as several posters seemed to be saying) the underlying stipulation is that some rape victims deserve it.

Once there's agreement that some rape victims deserve it, that sends us as a society down a slippery slope of deciding which victims deserved it, as in "well she deserved it because she was dressed that way" or "because she went to his hotel room with him" or "because she shouldn't have been out drinking at that time of the night," ad infinitum.

I prefer to put Fogle, the provocatively dressed woman, (and, by the way, the innocent child and child rapist/torturer/murderer that you brought up) under one big umbrella that says:

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

I agree, we won't discuss it after this:

You did not say, "No one deserves to be raped, not the victim, not the rapist" You said,
that saying the rapist deserves to be raped is just like saying the victim deserves to be raped!

and that's just not true!

I think we all agree that no one, including unrehabitable sex criminals, deserves to be raped.

But the CHILD RAPIST has already raped; sometimes the crimes are heinous. Spouting off in the context of this board because someone might be incredibly incensed, blown away and angry is just not the same, IMO.

Example:
what if a thread came up, and it does, that a six year old girl was abducted, tortured and raped, and then brutally murdered?
What if I posted something like, "well, that innocent child derserved to be raped."
I'm thinking, most likely, banned from WS forevah.

What if the forementioned rapist was arrested, and confessed and it shows up on the board. This also happens. And then someone implies it by saying "well I hope he gets what he deserves, the other convicts hate child killers."
I'm thinking, not banned from WS, not even a time out.

You're absolutely right, not a very nice thing to say, and from a humanist point of view, I seriously agree with you and understand what you mean.

But, I don't blame people for saying it, at all and understand why they do.

So, yeah, let's drop it and remain fellow posters!

 

[Madeleine74]

Why was my post quoted above? I'm not part of that particular debate and never commented on that particular topic. :thinking:

 

[Ixchel13]

Here's what I think, he's into it all up to his eyeballs. Was he or was he not detained while coming back from Indonesia, or was it Thailand?
If he went there to the child sex/ capital of the universe, it wasn't to watch . it wasn't to sell . It was to have sex with children, IMO.
For people still holding out for any crumb of info that might make Jared less of a
pedophile, I wouldn't bet the farm on that.
What creeps me out is that they just may give him a lighter sentence because he is probably regurgitating all over himself due to the force of the narcing he's doing on an international, gigantic /rape ring. JMO, MOO, speculation.
This guy aint going to redeem himself that way, we should be starting a letter writing campaign right now! How do we do it?

 

[Paulas88]

Here's what I think, he's into it all up to his eyeballs. Was he or was he not detained while coming back from Indonesia, or was it Thailand?
If he went there to the child sex/ capital of the universe, it wasn't to watch . it wasn't to sell . It was to have sex with children, IMO.
For people still holding out for any crumb of info that might make Jared less of a
pedophile, I wouldn't bet the farm on that.
What creeps me out is that they just may give him a lighter sentence because he is probably regurgitating all over himself due to the force of the narcing he's doing on an international, gigantic /rape ring. JMO, MOO, speculation.
This guy aint going to redeem himself that way, we should be starting a letter writing campaign right now! How do we do it?

Fogle's desires, however, went well beyond sex with underage girls. He also had a taste for child , court records show, a depravity extending to kids as young as 6 engaging in sexual activity.

Some of it was commercial made outside the United States. But some of it was secretly recorded in the home of the man who headed Fogle's charitable foundation — of children Fogle knew.


INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Jared Fogle court documents: What we know

Those were only some of the sordid details of Fogle's secret life revealed in federal court documents filed Wednesday, part of a devastating criminal case against the former Subway restaurant pitchman.

 

[Madeleine74]

I'm reading the charges (PDF document).

The minor (#13) he engaged in sex with was 17 at the time. So she was of legal consent according to the laws in NY, but because the sex was for 'commercial purposes,' i.e. for payment, that is what made it illegal, along with his traveling from Indiana to NY for that purpose, also a crime.

If I'm understanding this correctly, if he had been in NY for other reasons, met this 17 yr old, engaged in sex, but not for any money or anything of value, then it wouldn't have been a crime since she was the minimum legal age for consent in having sex. (in the state of NY, which is 17).

 

[jjenny]

He was horrendously overweight and (IMO) is not at all attractive in addition, so he got thin(ner), then got famous, then got wealthy being a spokesperson over the last 15 yrs, traveling all over, and his darker impulses came bubbling out. By that point he had the money to pursue these dark impulses and the technology to pursue them in an easier/more convenient fashion. Nonetheless, busted! Go to jail, go directly to jail! Forever branded a sex offender.

I don't think becoming thin and famous has anything to do with his "dark impulses" coming out. Do you know he reportedly run a video renting business before he became thin and famous?

"As a student at Indiana University, Bloomington, Fogle ran a little business out of his dorm room, renting videos to fellow students for the bargain price of $1. (When contacted by gossip site TMZ about this, a Subway spokesperson denied having any knowledge of the story and, when pressed on the issue, said Jared was "unavailable" for comment.)"


Read more: http://www.minyanville.com/special-...oss-mountain/3/12/2010/id/27140#ixzz3jgV0iam9

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't think becoming thin and famous has anything to do with his "dark impulses" coming out.

My opinion is that his becoming thin using Subway provided an opportunity he wouldn't otherwise have had to become a national spokesperson, and with that opportunity, came a lot of money, fame, travel, and those all allowed him to more easily pursue whatever impulses he had. He couldn't have known he'd be the future spokesperson of Subway, but that's what happened. Sure, he could have delved into his dark impulses regardless of the Subway deal, but then again, we probably would never have heard about it.

Subway didn't make him a child collecting and soliciting perv. Subway only caused him to become famous and achieve wealth. His impulses are all his own, the fault of no one else.