IN - Subway's Jared Fogle - plea deal in federal child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 case, 2015

[IzzyBlanche]

right. but you were saying that if people were saying HE deserved to be raped, then it was like saying the victim deserved to be raped. And yes, we're all human, and no one deserves to be raped.But dragging the victim into the analogy is poor form. IMO, it would be better to say "Being a humanist I understand that Jared is a deviant rapist criminal, but saying that he deserves to be raped would be lowering myself to the same base criminal mentality."
That being said, as a humanist I instantly forgive and understand anyone who wishes
any kind of harm to come to him, especially myself.
Child rapist=DP

I am not sure why you are belaboring this, nor do I understand why you feel the need to tell me how I could have worded my post better. I stand by what I said and I think I worded it just fine. I will parse it for you one last time, then I am finished with this discussion.

I was saying, if one says Fogle deserves to be raped in prison (as several posters seemed to be saying) the underlying stipulation is that some rape victims deserve it.

Once there's agreement that some rape victims deserve it, that sends us as a society down a slippery slope of deciding which victims deserved it, as in "well she deserved it because she was dressed that way" or "because she went to his hotel room with him" or "because she shouldn't have been out drinking at that time of the night," ad infinitum.

I prefer to put Fogle, the provocatively dressed woman, (and, by the way, the innocent child and child rapist/torturer/murderer that you brought up) under one big umbrella that says:

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Is that what he had or more?

He can have prison time to keep him away from the rest if us

I think it's a minimum of 5yrs and maximum of 12 years federal. It will be up to the judge on how much he will have to serve.

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't think JF is the one who taped the children, I believe it was done by the other guy, the one who worked for his foundation and/or other people on the Interwebs. However, JF had videos and images and he was charged for possession and distribution. Those will net harsh penalties.

The plea deal is what allows his sentencing to be limited, with the prosecution promising not to ask for more than 12.5 yrs and the defense promising not to ask for less than 5 yrs. prison.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Let's admit it. Fogle may not be interested in sex with adolescents. Because I'm sure the feds made it priority to bait him on hooking up with a 14 year old with one of those internet stings. But they probably never was able to get him to agree. They are very tricky and it seems like that plausible approach didn't work because he may have been trying to stay within the age limits of certain states. Jmo

So I think once a possible sting didn't work. They moved in to recover the secret nude footage that he had of the young girls.

But child is still child . Even if it's in the 4th degree. 5 years in prison. Plus a divorce with the lost of assets and psychological help; Should wake him up. Jmo.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

HMMMM.

A top celebrity spokesman worth $15 million, Fogle said he wanted to promote more than sandwiches. His non-profit foundation would distribute $2 million to schools and community organizations to fight the condition that had plagued Fogle for years, childhood obesity.

But the Jared Foundation has not issued a single grant, records show.

From 2009 through 2013, the foundation spent just $73,000 a year on average. Sixty percent of the money went to the executive director's salary, and 26% is unaccounted for, according to foundation tax records.

The foundation also hasn't paid the State of Indiana a $5 annual registration fee since 2008, the year the Jared Fogle Healthy Lifestyle Nationwide School Grant Program was supposed to begin. Delinquency notices were ignored. In 2012, the Indiana Secretary of State dissolved the foundation, though the IRS still recognizes it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/22/jared-subway-charges-children/32155115/

 

[flourish]

Perhaps legal age for sex, but not prostitution.....obviously.


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Prostitution isn't legal, so there is no legal age for it.

Yep, you got my point....as you repeated it.


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[DexterMorgan]

HMMMM.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/22/jared-subway-charges-children/32155115/

Good find. 60% was his salary from the foundation. Wow. So if I donated $1million to his foundation. Then I would have actually been putting $600k in his pocket to have fun with.

No thank you. Note to self. Don't donate to foundations. Lol. People will scam anything from anyone. That's just ridiculous.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm sure I am reading this incorrectly.

What exactly isn't your opinion? Because it appears you're disagreeing with the FACT that minors can't [legally] consent to sex with adults. Please clarify.


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The age of consent differs from 16 to 18, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

In NY it is 17.

It is my opinion that girls that go to the big cities and sell themselves,(no excuses,please) they figured out how to get there, and they know that selling their bodies for money is illegal, (or course they know) so for that reason this is not rape and I do feel if it was he would be charged with rape. IIRC they are charging him with crossing state lines to have sex with a minor and for having/watching kiddy . And that to me does not constitute rape. jmo idk

 

[Paulas88]

A federal charging document states that Fogle first obtained child in March 2011 from a friend, who delivered the images via text messages and a thumb drive. At the time, Fogle's second wife was pregnant with their first child. Their son was born in September 2011. Some of the child- images showed children as young as 6 in sex acts.

 

[Madeleine74]

18 is still a "teenager" and 18 is also the legal age for consent across the U.S. So yes, teenagers 18 and 19 can consent to sex, legally.

 

[Madeleine74]

My first first year in college (West Virginia) my dorm neighbor had just turned 18 recently. I was 17 when I started college. She was engaged to some 37 yr old guy at the time. She would talk (brag) about their sexual exploits. She had a beautiful diamond on her finger (like almost 2ct). I saw pix of the fiance. Anyway...they met I think when she was 16! I think how young that is now, but she was quite mature, more like a 30 yr old in experience.

And my other dorm neighbor (also a freshman in college, like me) talked about her affair with her band/music instructor in high school. She had really fallen for him during her years in high school. I had never met anyone who actually slept with their teacher, so naturally I was shocked.

15, 16, 17 yr olds have been having sex as long as sex has existed. They don't stop to think whether it's a good idea or not. Nor do they analyze appropriate age differences either. The laws are there to protect them whether they want protection or not.

 

[flourish]

Oops. Messed up.

 

[atthelake]

The age of consent differs from 16 to 18, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

In NY it is 17.

It is my opinion that girls that go to the big cities and sell themselves,(no excuses,please) they figured out how to get there, and they know that selling their bodies for money is illegal, (or course they know) so for that reason this is not rape and I do feel if it was he would be charged with rape. IIRC they are charging him with crossing state lines to have sex with a minor and for having/watching kiddy . And that to me does not constitute rape. jmo idk

If it was a 10 year old would you feel the same way?

Is your delineation that they know it is illegal and that they were able to make their way there?

 

[DexterMorgan]

A federal charging document states that Fogle first obtained child in March 2011 from a friend, who delivered the images via text messages and a thumb drive. At the time, Fogle's second wife was pregnant with their first child. Their son was born in September 2011. Some of the child- images showed children as young as 6 in sex acts.

Okay. You just changed the game and my thinking. I didn't know that he received images containing sex acts. I thought it was just teens secretly taped while taking showers or something. Plus i didn't know he had images of 6 year olds naked as well.

Just wow.

I'm surprise the prosecution allowed this deal. And I'm also surprised the feds waited this long.

The judge needs to throw the book at him.

 

[Madeleine74]

Oh! And in my junior year of college (different college altogether), one of my apartment neighbors (female) was talking about the first time she had sex. She was 13. 13! And she had no regrets at all. I think her boyfriend was a fellow teenager, not some grown man. But still. 13?

So, it's not surprising that in 2010 - 2015 there are young women who are using the Internet and social media to prostitute themselves for money. There are multitudes of sites for hookups, escort services. There's even a dating service for young women looking for "sugar daddies." It's the oldest profession, as they say, nothing new there, but now with technology. And not every one of these gals has been forced into it either. I'm not saying anything about the 2 gals JF paid to have sex, and if they were coerced or not, I don't know. I just know it's not uncommon and it might be more common than ever.

 

[Paulas88]

Okay. You just changed the game and my thinking. I didn't know that he received images containing sex acts. I thought it was just teens secretly taped while taking showers or something. Plus i didn't know he had images of 6 year olds naked as well.

Just wow.

I'm surprise the prosecution allowed this deal. And I'm also surprised the feds waited this long.

The judge needs to throw the book at him.

They have a ton on JF, and that's why he took the plea. (IMO) I wish
he didn't though, we'd find out everything, and would be put away
for a very long time.

Once they busted Taylor, it was stated that JF must have known they
were comin for him. There perversions were intertwined.

OT, doesn't look like subway was working for JF. He's fat.

 

[flourish]

Oh! And in my junior year of college (different college altogether), one of my apartment neighbors (female) was talking about the first time she had sex. She was 13. 13! And she had no regrets at all. I think her boyfriend was a fellow teenager, not some grown man. But still. 13?

So, it's not surprising that in 2010 - 2015 there are young women who are using the Internet and social media to prostitute themselves for money. There are multitudes of sites for hookups, escort services. There's even a dating service for young women looking for "sugar daddies." It's the oldest profession, as they say, nothing new there, but now with technology. And not every one of these gals has been forced into it either. I'm not saying anything about the 2 gals JF paid to have sex, and if they were coerced or not, I don't know. I just know it's not uncommon and it might be more common than ever.

30 years ago a young couple had unregrettable sex. So it's no surprise that girls now are prostituting themselves? Huh?


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[Elley Mae]

If it was a 10 year old would you feel the same way?

Is your delineation that they know it is illegal and that they were able to make their way there?

It was not a 10 year old and he did not rape them, (the 2 child prostitutes). I am not deviating from the facts at hand. jmo dik

 

[Elley Mae]

Can you imagine if the decision of someones fate was in the hands of a judge that made decisions on, "but what if's?"

 

[human]

It was not a 10 year old and he did not rape them, (the 2 child prostitutes). I am not deviating from the facts at hand. jmo dik

as I have stated before, most prostitutes are child sex abuse victims. When a person goes to a prostitute, they are merely extending the abuse.

Those are the facts if anyone wishes to check it out. And the facts of the prostitute's life can be checked out as well. The beatings, the degradation.

It is weep worthy to think of the derision placed on these victims of abuse.