IN - Terry and Darleen Anderson Murder, Mungo, 22 Oct 2005 - #3

[Cubby]

Q was questioned extensively right after the murders, even taking a polygraph test, but I do not know the results of that. I know Q got into a fight on the way to the police station with Rosco's husband about how worried he was LE would try to pin the murders on him. I did NOT know TD was also in the fight with Terry and sent home from NO, that is new info to me.[/quote]

I'm missing something. I am reading, or thought I read TD was in a fight with Q, not TA. What is NO? is NO the name of the tree triming business both TA and TD worked for?

TIA for any clarification.

 

[Dark Knight]

Q was questioned extensively right after the murders, even taking a polygraph test, but I do not know the results of that. I know Q got into a fight on the way to the police station with Rosco's husband about how worried he was LE would try to pin the murders on him. I did NOT know TD was also in the fight with Terry and sent home from NO, that is new info to me.[/quote]

I'm missing something. I am reading, or thought I read TD was in a fight with Q, not TA. What is NO? is NO the name of the tree triming business both TA and TD worked for?

TIA for any clarification.

Good catch, *I* misread it as a fight between TA and TD, but she said Durbin and Q, so my bad.

NO is for New Orleans. That's where Terry Anderson and Q had a fight while helping out after Katrina and Terry sent Q home. Rosco can clarify that better than I can, along with the altercation at the police station between Q and her husband. This was all before I knew Rosco, obviously. (And I haven't heard these details in a couple of years, that's how long this case has dragged on!)

 

[Cubby]

Thanks. the NO should have been obvious but I missed it... :doh:

Q would have stood to make a lot of money helping with Katrina no?

Going way back, Rosco mentioned he was supposed to show up to one of the IronMan events and he was a no show.

All speculation here on my part, but it is possible Q was upset he didn't make the amount of money he expected going to NO. It is quite possible...... I don't know if that is motive for murder, but I expect someone would have expected to make a nice chunk of change helping with the after events of Katrina.

 

[Cubby]

From memory, and this goes waaay back. I don't recall from here or from the old Topix thread, but wasn't it mentioned that in the weeks prior to TA and DA's murder that TA found out some information that upset him in some way? IIRC something to do with possible drug use or some trouble?

IIRC, it was never found out who knew of this, or what it was that upset Terry. At least not that Rosco was aware of. I have no doubt someone outside of TA and DA knew of this, or new of rumors or speculation of this. I hope, whomever may have some suspicions or something that just didn't sit right will advise LE of whatever that was... no matter how small or insignificant they may have thought it might be then and now.

Sometimes it is the small what one might believe as insignificant details that can help break open a case.

JMO

 

[Dark Knight]

From memory, and this goes waaay back. I don't recall from here or from the old Topix thread, but wasn't it mentioned that in the weeks prior to TA and DA's murder that TA found out some information that upset him in some way? IIRC something to do with possible drug use or some trouble?

JMO

Yes, A's parents found out about her drug use, I remember reading. I believe LE is aware of that.

 

[Cubby]

I didn't mean A. Having done either jail or prison time I'm sure LE is aware of her drug use. I thought I recalled something else, that Terry had recently become aware of in the weeks prior to his murder that he was not happy about. Something that possibly DA mentioned to her coworkers but not specifics? It could have been A's drug use, but I didn't recall that it was A's drug use specifcally. Maybe it was.....

thanks!

 

[Dark Knight]

I didn't mean A. Having done either jail or prison time I'm sure LE is aware of her drug use. I thought I recalled something else, that Terry had recently become aware of in the weeks prior to his murder that he was not happy about. Something that possibly DA mentioned to her coworkers but not specifics? It could have been A's drug use, but I didn't recall that it was A's drug use specifcally. Maybe it was.....

thanks!

Yes, it was her drug use.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, it was her drug use.

Thank you DK. Hmmmm, interesting because....

IIRC there was no formal will other than a handwritten letter that DA or TA wrote, indicating they wished for everything to go to A and A should share with her half siblings. If we consider the spending spree A went on after her parents murders it is possible she had motive because she was afraid if her parents had more information regarding her drug use they may rewrite or change the will.

Of course the above is speculation and thinking outloud on my part.

 

[Cubby]

There are reasons to believe both A and her b/f Q hated the victims. A's diary indicated as such, and Q had a huge fight with Terry when they both went down to help clean up after Katrina, and Terry sent Q home. This was only a few weeks before the murders. Neither implicates them, just answering your question.



It would be difficult but not impossible, due to the distance between the house where Darleen was killed and the barn where Terry was killed. (About 100 yards.) Neither person would have known the other was killed.

The thing that perplexes us is no blood trail from the house to the barn, as far as LE has let anyone know. Actually no blood trail anywhere. And yes, it was extremely gruesome with a large amount of blood and blood splatter. So that part is very strange.

The person who killed Terry had to have been familiar to the dog, who was chained to a post (unusual) and did not bark (the grandma would have heard him and she said there was no barking.) The dog was NOT a friendly dog to just anybody and was a huge dog, and very protective. So the killer/s were friendly with the dog to be able to chain him and to not get any barking. A stranger could have never done that in a million years.

BBM. Ok, LE did not verify whether or not there was a blood trail, so it is speculation there was in fact no blood trail. At least with regards to our discussion here.....


Supposing it is fact there was no blood trail, which we don't really know for certain, was there a place to shower or clean up in the barn? Is it possible someone cleaned themselves off after both murders, in the house and then again in the barn to avoid a blood trail?

Something tells me LE has a good idea of who commited this crime, but they don't have that final piece of evidence to eliminate reasonable doubt. My gut tells me it was in fact someone very close to TA and DA... that can be explained as reasonable doubt as to why their dna would be found in the house.

That's just my gut... and I could be wrong.... I don't think LE would risk prosecuting this case without knowing for certain they would get a conviction.

 

[Cubby]

I just saw this organization posted in another thread here somewhere at WS. I'm not all that familiar with them, nor am I familiar with their success rate. I just thought I would share it here, so Rosco was aware of them, if she wasn't already and could possibly look into this further.


V.S.M.'s are forensic professionals and motivated private citizens who, as a public service, donate deductive, scientific and other talents for the common good. A long-unsolved homicide or death is the focus of a Vidocq Society meeting during which the case and its evidence are dissected for members and invited guests, all with an eye towards rekindling or refocusing the investigation.
When cases meet Vidocq's stringent criteria and the investigating agency seeks our participation, V.S.M.'s serve in the background at the pleasure and direction of law enforcement.

More info regarding this organization at the following link:

http://www.vidocq.org/index.html

ETA: their services are free for the cases they accept.

 

[Dark Knight]

BBM. Ok, LE did not verify whether or not there was a blood trail, so it is speculation there was in fact no blood trail. At least with regards to our discussion here.....


Supposing it is fact there was no blood trail, which we don't really know for certain, was there a place to shower or clean up in the barn? Is it possible someone cleaned themselves off after both murders, in the house and then again in the barn to avoid a blood trail?

Something tells me LE has a good idea of who commited this crime, but they don't have that final piece of evidence to eliminate reasonable doubt. My gut tells me it was in fact someone very close to TA and DA... that can be explained as reasonable doubt as to why their dna would be found in the house.

That's just my gut... and I could be wrong.... I don't think LE would risk prosecuting this case without knowing for certain they would get a conviction.

LE did confirm to the family that there was no foreign DNA found anywhere. Meaning all of the DNA found belonged to people who spent time at the house on a regular basis. There was a cigarette butt near TA's body that had Q's DNA on it, but again, he was there all of the time, so easy to explain away.

Rosco and her husband cleaned up the crime scene, and they did not notice any obvious blood trail.

No idea about showers, but it's still a long walk between the house and the barn. That makes it more likely it was 2 or more killers, and they changed clothes on the spot. If they wore hunting gear, that would be easy to do. (And not unusual to be wearing that time of year.)

 

[Dark Knight]

I need to correct myself, Q got into a fight with TA's son at the police station, not Rosco's husband, my bad.

 

[stinky]

I just wanted to post a THANK YOU to all of you!! Your support is awesome!! Please keep your ideas and thoughts rolling because you never know one of them could be the break we need!!

 

[gaia227]

There are reasons to believe both A and her b/f Q hated the victims. A's diary indicated as such, and Q had a huge fight with Terry when they both went down to help clean up after Katrina, and Terry sent Q home. This was only a few weeks before the murders. Neither implicates them, just answering your question.

Hi DK and everyone else! I have been on a hiatus the last couple of weeks and came to check in today and was pleasantly surprised to see how much the thread has moved. Everyone is putting forth such great ideas, information and support. It is awesome!

DK - could you refresh my memory regarding 'A's diary and what feelings it indicated she had towards her parents?

 

[Dark Knight]

Hi DK and everyone else! I have been on a hiatus the last couple of weeks and came to check in today and was pleasantly surprised to see how much the thread has moved. Everyone is putting forth such great ideas, information and support. It is awesome!

DK - could you refresh my memory regarding 'A's diary and what feelings it indicated she had towards her parents?

Welcome back!!!!! :blowkiss: It's good to see you!

There was a brief mention of her diary on Topix indicating she was very angry at her parents, but it did not say why.

 

[gaia227]

Thanks DK - if it was on Topix that is probably why I missed it. I have to be in a brave and patient mood to venture to the Topix board. The whole unmoderated forum thing certainly can bring the worst out of people. In fact the only time I go to Topix is to check the Anderson thread. I wonder if "A" was angry because her parents found out about her drug use and confronted her? If they decided to go the tough love route by telling her something like they would not continue to support her in any way until she got clean or something like that I can see why (eventhough I obviously don't agree) she would be angry especially if someone (BF) in her ear feeding the flames. Of course that is all complete speculation on my part. I hope everyone has a pleasant, relaxing weekend!

 

[stinky]

I am someone who has seen the "diary". Most of it is note books and single pieces of paper. So it's hard to put some of it in any type of order. Some of this also goes way back, like high school or sooner. There is alot of writing about hating everyone. Hating her parents saying very disturbing things about them. Lots of notes, like the kind you pass in school, about hating them.

There is a picture that was given to A by a friend. It shows 3 people hanging out a window of a house. It has a person standing in a yard holding a sword saying "I killed them all". This just totally freeked me out! This is a picture at one time she was so proud of she had it as the cover of a binder!

Now here is how all of this came into our hands. "We" were contacted by the owners of the house, that being the bank. They offered that if we wanted to go in to get anything they would arrange it. The bank was told by A that everything there was garbage and needed to be burned. We signed a paper stating that we would not hold the bank responsable if anything happened to us. This was a meth house, if we grew extra arms after being in there it was our own faults.

It is very hard to extplain the state this house was in. There were piles of garbage every where! You had to walk over and on piles to get to anything! Photo albums of my Grandmothers were just tossed around with needles and pipes. My Grandmothers diary, something that can NEVER be replaced, was found laying on a floor next to a pile of dirty laundry! I wish I could have found the rest of it! The mess and smell was just unreal. I have never seen anything like this before in my life. I can also say I hope to never see anything like it again.

 

[Dark Knight]

I am someone who has seen the "diary". Most of it is note books and single pieces of paper. So it's hard to put some of it in any type of order. Some of this also goes way back, like high school or sooner. There is alot of writing about hating everyone. Hating her parents saying very disturbing things about them. Lots of notes, like the kind you pass in school, about hating them.

There is a picture that was given to A by a friend. It shows 3 people hanging out a window of a house. It has a person standing in a yard holding a sword saying "I killed them all". This just totally freeked me out! This is a picture at one time she was so proud of she had it as the cover of a binder!

Now here is how all of this came into our hands. "We" were contacted by the owners of the house, that being the bank. They offered that if we wanted to go in to get anything they would arrange it. The bank was told by A that everything there was garbage and needed to be burned. We signed a paper stating that we would not hold the bank responsable if anything happened to us. This was a meth house, if we grew extra arms after being in there it was our own faults.

It is very hard to extplain the state this house was in. There were piles of garbage every where! You had to walk over and on piles to get to anything! Photo albums of my Grandmothers were just tossed around with needles and pipes. My Grandmothers diary, something that can NEVER be replaced, was found laying on a floor next to a pile of dirty laundry! I wish I could have found the rest of it! The mess and smell was just unreal. I have never seen anything like this before in my life. I can also say I hope to never see anything like it again.

Wow, this was the murder house? Was the diary turned over to LE? That sounds like an "interesting" find, to say the least.

 

[Cubby]

Thank you guys for welcoming me.As I said I have never posted anything on here or anywhere else for that matter but,I felt as though I had to.Right is right and wrong is wrong,and as far as I know (last week) TD has not been charged with TA & DA's murder. It isn't the LE that is asking questions it is the State.If TD had something to do with the murder of T & D then he should pay for it however the state see's fit.But for "A" to wrongfully accuse him is just that...WRONG!If TD DID have something to do with it,time will tell because the State will do their job and find out just as they are going to do with the murder of Patrick.I hope and pray that the truth comes out and is told so these families(TA & DA's family,Patrick's family,David Mizner's family & TD's family)will know the truth and finally get some justice!!!!!TD's family needs the justice also so they know if he has done all of this."A" needs to get her story and facts straight before she opens her mouth and inserts her foot.She needs to think back & remember just how much she liked TD when he was going over to TA's house and how much she trusted TD.

Bold by me. Why do you think A would go telling stories like this? Where A and TD tight at any time? I too agree all family's need justice and if someone is wrongfully accused their name should be cleared.

If I forgot earlier, welcome to WS. Always nice to have a new set of eyes on the cases we sleuth here at WS.

 

[Cubby]

Thank you DK....that answered quite a few of my questions.As I said I know about the murder but I am not familiar with all the details.I have however heard about the dog,and I do know that TD was at TA house quite often.I also am familiar with the fight between TD & Q.Shortly after the fight between them 2 TD also was sent home and I believe it was at that time he was fired from the company.I wonder....was Q ever questioned?Maybe now that he isn't with A anymore and TD is behind bars with out bail/bond,maybe he could put some insight on all this (as far as T & DA's murder).Just a thought:banghead:

Were Q and TD pretty tight? or did they just associate through work kind of thing. I know sometimes coworkers socialize but wouldn't exactly call each other 'friends'. I'm trying to get a better understanding of the relationships between A, her circle and TD.

I wonder, how long did A knows these people, was it years? a short amount of time? Did A meet this group after HS? or ????

Thanks!