IN - Terry and Darleen Anderson Murder, Mungo, 22 Oct 2005 - #3

[Boyz_Mum]

wv171, your informant thought is a good one. If not that, maybe sometimes LE can follow the small "fish" and see which big school of "fish" she wanders into? (JMO)

 

[Cubby]

Justthinking's point about the dog is a good one. Seems to me if the dog allowed the perp to tie him up, the dog knew the perp and was comfortable around the perp. I wonder if LE ever tested the dogs collar for evidence. Especially if it was the perp that put the dog on the rope/tied up the dog.

I am assuming meth users and dealers have ties to one another. IF one dealer is out of goods, he or she would likely refer their customer to so and so because they know they have some (or the dealer would contact another dealer to buy to have a supply for his or her customers). (I know for a fact they do that, because an old roomie of mine used to deal marijuana- before I knew him- and shared that with me.)

17 is a lot of people. Very likely at least one of them will be trying to save their butt and provide info regarding your dad and step moms murders Rosco. I pray this is the beak the case needs.

hugs my friend. We need to talk about a date for kiddieland soon!

 

[Rosco]

:blowkiss: Welcome justthinkin.... Thanks for reading and commenting on dad and Darleen's thread here on WS. :blowkiss:

I can answer some of the questions ~ so here goes...

I too think Rosco was saved due to either fear and/or affection to the dog. He was only a pup at the time - 1yr old ~ but not a little dog.. still 120lbs. He sure was all DAD'S dog. Certainly not 'A's dog. Darleen also adored him. Rosco slept in the house ~ in their bedroom at night.
Having had Rosco for 3.5 yrs now - He folllows my DH around like a shadow.... ALWAYS has to be in the same room ~ within visual. I wonder if this is a behavior he learned due to the murders? I dont remember Rosco being so darn connected to a persons hip when he was a pup. I do know that he freaks on police sirens and firetrucks/horns .. Chases them and barks very loud when one goes by. We live very close to a main street (40mph) and close to both fire/police. Very active. :crazy:

My guess would be that Rosco 'could' have attacked if he seen Dad or Darleen being hurt. He's very protective.. I have seen his hairs stand when he did not like a person at my house.. and I certainly would not want to see if he would attack. He is a very layed-back dog.. but like any animal they can never be totally 100% trusted...and Rosco (IMO) would bite and attack anyone who would be a threat. He needed to be eliminated or tied up. He survived.

Insurance company paid off. 'A' received everything... all the money and bank accounts... house,.. car... guns (which were taken off property) ... trucks... 401K.... everything.
BUT... alas.. it's all gone now. NOTHING is left. :furious:

What gets me... is LE knew what XBF and 'A' were doing the night of the murders... METH.. it's not a secret. BUT to allow these METHHEADS to take all the guns off Dad's place W/I 24hrs after the murders...and not take down numbers or types of weapons and I being told it was a CIVIL matter.... is totally UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! :banghead:
To this day LE prolly has no clue where these weapons are and if they are being sold to drug dealers.. and wind~up on some other homicide or robbery. DAHH that was really stupid on LE's part.

LE did NOT take his collar. Rosco still had it on when we left that Halloween night. He has since out grew it and to be honest... I dont even know if we have it anymore.. When we got home we gave him a new one cuz Dad's collar was like a belt... and we needed one with a chain on it.. to adjust.. We got a new one right away.. and certainly never thought about the murders and him being possible connection to killer/s until way way later-on. The shock of the murders and 'A' being a meth-head truly never set in until that Renter moved in...

I am not certain about any evidence with tire tracks... LE has never shared. They are really tight lipped and certainly would not want to get information to me or public if it was important to the case.... They tell me very little about evidence and or what information they might have.

BUT... if they had SOMETHING... 3.5yrs (( and counting )) would not being going by unsolved...or nobody arrested... SOOO LE can not link anyone to the murders... YET.... and that sucks so bad... :furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Thanks so much.. and I would be happy to TRY and answer (if I can) questions you might still come up with... :blowkiss:

Rosco.

I'm new to this thread. Rosco, I'm so sorry to hear about your dad and stepmom. What happened to them is just...well, not the normal channels we average people would ever think as a possibility. It's just so sad. I started reading about them last night. Then fell asleep in front of the computer, not the first time by any means.

I can really relate to your dad's love of the outdoors. My dad taught me a lot of outdoor things when I was growing up, and in the past I hunted & fished with my late husband. Now I can't afford it, though I've longed to get back into it again.

Now to this case. It it all goes back to the dog. What happened to the dog is key to this murder. It reveals that a family member had something to do with it or else someone very close to the family and fond of the dog because any other killer would've just killed the dog, and been done with it. I look at it as the dog was being saved or put in a safe place. Otherwise one of the killers if there was more than one was afraid of the dog, and the other, familiar with the dog was not so the first asked the second to take care of the dog.

I'm guessing the dog would've attacked in the event he or she could see what was happening. If not, then someone who loved the dog very much just wanted the dog out of the way (tied up) so they could do what they did or someone had instructed the killer to tie the dog up. You'd need to know who in the family & outside the family played with the dog a lot when they stopped in to visit. How old is the dog? Was it ever said that the dog belonged to any particular person. Was it Terry's, Darleen's or A's dog?

I personally wonder why certain people haven't already been arrested. Motive is easy to see, and a quite common one at that, greed. If A had nothing to do with the actual killing, she certainly stood to profit from it. I'm thinking the cash in your dad's pockets went to the actual killer/s. I would expect him or them to start blackmailing the person who ordered the killings.

The insurance company/s paid off on Terry& Darleen's policies? That is surprising the heck out of me. If this is indeed true, then it's very likely the local police told the insurance company it was a random killing or totally non-family involvement.

I've lived in a small town, and boy can those PDs ruin a case, failing to do things city cops would do, allowing too many people to contaminate a crime scene, plus some good ole boy antics. I sure hope that isn't the case here.

Did your dad happen to be friends with anyone on the police force before the murders? What about A? This is the kind of case insurance companies will hold back in paying, and it really bothers me that they paid out.

You've probably gone over all this already, but it was the only 2cents I could offer without reading further which I'm going to do now. This is definitely a solvable case. Simply a matter of following the money. Were the police able to take any plaster casts of tire tracks or footprints? Recent rains or a stretch of dry weather?

You know, it's awfully interesting that A would be stopping by the house the next morning because her tracks would cover those of the killer or cover her own.

 

[Rosco]

UR prolly right Cub about dealers know each/other and sending to each/other when one runs out... Sure.. I can see that. For this large of a Meth group ~ to be W/I houses of my Dad's place... I would put money on it that 'A' knows them.. or has purchased from them...

It's prolly one big happy Meth ~ family!!!

LE says they still go to the house and do their Meth. Even tho it's not owned by 'A' anymore... ANYONE caught there without permission of the reality company will be arrested... is what LE said... SOOOO maybe one day they just might end up in LaGrange's Finest for Trasspassing.. LOL..

:crazy: (( idiot... arrested if caught on her (once) own property ~ at one time .. Should have paid the home equity loan.. then house would still be available.. )) instead had to pay court costs and getting bonded out.. :clap: Idiots!!!!!:banghead:

Justthinking's point about the dog is a good one. Seems to me if the dog allowed the perp to tie him up, the dog knew the perp and was comfortable around the perp. I wonder if LE ever tested the dogs collar for evidence. Especially if it was the perp that put the dog on the rope/tied up the dog.

I am assuming meth users and dealers have ties to one another. IF one dealer is out of goods, he or she would likely refer their customer to so and so because they know they have some (or the dealer would contact another dealer to buy to have a supply for his or her customers). (I know for a fact they do that, because an old roomie of mine used to deal marijuana- before I knew him- and shared that with me.)

17 is a lot of people. Very likely at least one of them will be trying to save their butt and provide info regarding your dad and step moms murders Rosco. I pray this is the beak the case needs.

hugs my friend. We need to talk about a date for kiddieland soon!

 

[Rosco]

VERY possible wv171.... that idea has crossed my mind many times...and is not that far off.
Esp. if the murders are connected with those Meth users/friends ~ which I have NO doubt they are ~ fact I would put money on that theory

.... She is right there...and can get information.. NEVER know... wv171.. Never know..

Rosco

Rosco ~ It amazes me the things A has been allowed to get away with. Thank's for use of word's Lynn1001..

One way I seen this being done many time before is; Being a LE informant.. This been on my mind for atleast a year or more just researching this case right here.. But this only 1 idea of what could be caused by a number of reason's.... Now my lawyer might feel little better..

I am not trying to say she is one, far from that.. I am only saying I seen this type of action from LE many times before and a lot of times it end's after many years later they was working together all this time together and that what was keeping that person out of jail all this time.. Sometimes I feel LE as went too far out of control allowing some of these people to stay on the streets...

Take Whitey Bulger case from Boston as a example of this out of control action and how easy this can become so far out of control.. he is on 10 most wanted list by FBI right now if you never heard of that case before..

I know personally myself I would not have nothing good to say at all about any LE officer no matter what excuse they had or any LE Office that put Drug Investigation As more important than a Double Murder Case... I would feel that would of cross the line in the best interest of the overall safety of US Citizens as a whole..

Somebody commit cold blood double murder I feel is more dangerous to the citizen's than a drug dealer not much but a little bit more dangerous and should never be allowed to walk the streets free unpunished in my book.

Just a idea that been buggin me for a long time about this case.. Something stinks in this case what I been unable to find it yet...

 

[justthinkin]

Rosco, thank you for the warm welcome!

I'm having some real problems here understanding LE motivations. Don't want to say anything harsh, but I'm sure they already knew A was a meth head or whatever they call people that do that drug. So for the life of me, I can't imagine why LE didn't keep the crime scene under wraps longer.

I'm not finished wading through everything here yet nor the posts on Topix, but I remember reading something about a hand drawn will.
Was that will notarized? Cause in TX I don't think it would've been a legal document. I'm just curious if the law is different in Indiana regarding wills.

I somehow doubt your sister's actual involvement unless she's as calculating as Casey Anthony, but am certain her current or XBF and friends did this.

I've picked up some little snippet about a barn fire. Did they have a meth lab in the barn, and an explosion?

I'm sorry if I'm repeating stuff everyone else here already knows, but these things caught my eye.

About Rosco, I'm guessing he was tied up to keep him more from interfering more than to keep him from being hit by whatever blunt instrument was used.

Seems like the logical choice for the weapon would be a baseball bat. Larger than a hammer, and the perp could keep a greater distance from the person being hit.

I like the theory of two perps, but think it could've been carried out by one person fairly easily. Could've driven up, found out from Darleen that Terry was in the barn. Gone down to say hello. Then said he was thirsty as an excuse to go into the house, but would be right back. Then killed Darleen, and went back out to kill Terry.

 

[Rosco]

Us either....for the crime scene to be open to family and public so fast....!

You should have seen my/DH face when the guns were being taken off the property.... I swear I/we must have looked like Casper and him The Hulk cuz he was all into John-O's face and I with my mouth open and white !!!
Being in shock and having all these officals around.. coroner...LE.. of loosing Dad and Darleen to murder... watching the lock smith open the safe and looking down at the concrete in the barn and STILL seeing Dad's body image imbedded and remembering that Meth was being used the night before ... The scene was all too sureal.... Just could NOT get a handle of anything happening... And being told it was a civil matter by LE. while the whole time just out of wits and crying all the time... NOTHING was making sence..... and continues to baffle everyday.

I can talk for DB and SIL and others ~ that we agree justthinkin regarding 'A' and not direct actual involvment in the homicides ~ the physical part. BUT ~ have always and continue to feel that she knows something...and her actions speak for those thoughts and theory that I/we have.
I/we agree her current and XBF are and have ALWAYS been top POI.. including that renter ~ who is dead anyway.. so he's already in Hell for his part.

There was a written will. Found over the clock in the dining room. I and SIL personally viewed. It was NOT notirized. Worth nothing legally. It meant nothing to the estate and DB and I were not part of being shared per what Darleen and Dad wished on that written last will.
Sad... nothing was done as they have wanted... NOTHING....

The old red barn that they burned was already borken up and should have been torn down years ago. Dad was wanting to save some of the good barn-wood and store it in the big new barn he had just built. Shortly after the murders XBF had bosted that he was going to have a 'barn buring party' and this took place prolly a few months after. The actual date I am uncertain. Prolly around that New Year time cuz there was information that there had been a big party for NY 2006. Multi-cars and loud music from the house... pps drove by.

You know...maybe ~ but prolly would not understand that whole day ~ the mess and the effect it had as part of your life (maybe u might connect with me in another effect in ur life not homicides)... but when you said that Rosco was tied prolly for the most part to not get in the way of the blows.,... I JUST thought that "A' had made a comment to me while we were walking in the yard that horrible time.I cant remember which day. It was not the day we arrived cuz that was at night.. but maybe that following morning - or the second day. But she said something to the nature of her feeling lumps on Rosco and said " like he had also been struck.".... :crystal ball: I swear I wish I could have tape recorded those days... But thinking about that comment she said to me... and thinking about your theory of Rosco. He was a pup ~ Big pup.. but a pup non the less... and might have gotten in the way or the murder/s had hit him and he corwarded and then he led himself to a comfortable place he was placed.. his tree... and that was where he was found.
Why would she make that comment? I TOTALLY remember that comment.. We were walking to him in the yard.. and she then started to feel on him. I dont recall if I bent down.. and felt.. but I prolly did cuz i love animals and also prolly was sweet talking to him...

It's really hard to remember every single action but you remember certain conversations and maybe a comment...and you then (later on) go OMG~ why would that be said?
Like the comment that XBF said to 'A' in the garage.. about HIM getting Dad's truck! It didnt connect until AFTER we really left the property...and the renter moved in.. Things that were said were coming to mind...and memory. The WHOLE Meth thing didnt really hit actually until weeks after the murders.... The shock of their murders was sooooo horrific that everything around it just was not that direct..and you dont see the whole picture at the time.

Gosh that was hard to explain:bang: and hope it makes sense.

Rosco...

Rosco, thank you for the warm welcome!

I'm having some real problems here understanding LE motivations. Don't want to say anything harsh, but I'm sure they already knew A was a meth head or whatever they call people that do that drug. So for the life of me, I can't imagine why LE didn't keep the crime scene under wraps longer.

I'm not finished wading through everything here yet nor the posts on Topix, but I remember reading something about a hand drawn will.
Was that will notarized? Cause in TX I don't think it would've been a legal document. I'm just curious if the law is different in Indiana regarding wills.

I somehow doubt your sister's actual involvement unless she's as calculating as Casey Anthony, but am certain her current or XBF and friends did this.

I've picked up some little snippet about a barn fire. Did they have a meth lab in the barn, and an explosion?

I'm sorry if I'm repeating stuff everyone else here already knows, but these things caught my eye.

About Rosco, I'm guessing he was tied up to keep him more from interfering more than to keep him from being hit by whatever blunt instrument was used.

Seems like the logical choice for the weapon would be a baseball bat. Larger than a hammer, and the perp could keep a greater distance from the person being hit.

I like the theory of two perps, but think it could've been carried out by one person fairly easily. Could've driven up, found out from Darleen that Terry was in the barn. Gone down to say hello. Then said he was thirsty as an excuse to go into the house, but would be right back. Then killed Darleen, and went back out to kill Terry.

 

[justthinkin]

Rosco, are you saying they started carting stuff off your dad's place before the funeral even? Holy cow, and by what authority did they have to do so? A judge could have stopped it.

All this can mean to me is your sister knew what was going down, but didn't stop it, and may have ordered it done. Sure sounds like she already had plans in place to remove the most valuable things she could think of. Where was she when this stuff was being removed?

You are aware you had every right to do the same aren't you? I'm sure like me, you wouldn't because the almost instant removal of things is just too callous for words.

Perhaps you need to contact the state attorney's office. Who all did LE question regarding the deaths and for how long?

I gotta bring this up. You don't suppose that someone in LE bought those guns from your sister do you? Cops like guns and often are collectors. Something about this case is setting off my hinkey meter.

I guarantee you had this occured in a large city, your sister & her friends would've been in for long grueling interrogations, and before it was over with, somebody would've spilled the beans, and this case would be solved.

 

[Rosco]

Justthinkin ~ Dad and Darleen's personal property and jewlery, guns, money in hinding places, huge jar of coins in the living room (about the size of my 6yr old) .... ect.. was ALL being taken off the property w/i 48-72hrs AND BEFORE the funeral. She was so busy getting stuff off the property that she NEVER got a new dress or cross or SOMETHING (ANYTHING) to have her mother dressed in for the funeral/wake. She threw an old rag of blouse to me from up-stairs that had a rip in the under-arm. She was 'again' late and I was on my way to the funeral home to give them Dad's clothes..and I was waiting on her... she ran upstairs and threw "a rag" at me to have her mom buried in.

She knows .... she knows more than what she is playing. She had never once helped with the Foundation. She NEVER gave any of the money she was given from insurance to the reward.. She wanted to know if she would get it returned????!!!! Hiding.. that's what 'A' does best... hide and do drugs..and give up babies....

Again ~~~~ I was told by LE that it was a 'civil matter' when I biatched about the guns, 4x4's and personal belongings were being taken away at a rapid speed.... Who could I have complained to? LE was no help.. NOW 3.5 yrs later and house is gone to be sold.... SHAME... where to go now...???

Seriously... I was completly in shock that all this was being allowed for LE to KNOW that the pps what were taking the guns had JUST TOLD THEM THEY WERE DOING METH THAT VERY NIGHT OF THE MURDERS!!!
Just completly and utterly wordless ...still feeling the same way as I type.

How would ANYONE know where those guns are...? Nobody took count (like LE should have) or taken numbers of the guns. And they all went to Meth-heads... What a shame.

Nope... In Chicago... where I live... the murders and house being open to public and family ..and allowed property to be taken....NEVER would have went down the way it did and continues to....YOUR SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT!

'A' was right there when everything was being carted away. She was 'in-charge'.

I have contacted the States Atty. They told me they dont deal wit general public.

(( from the email ))
Thank you for your email. I am truly sorry you have gone through this agony for three years. I wish we could be of some help but our office has no jurisdiction over the Sheriff of Lagrange Co. The Indiana Attorney General serves as legal counsel for the state of Indiana. Have you talked to the State Police? Or to the Prosecutor to see what steps might be taken?

http://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/

NO HELP..

I have a few friends that have a few friends... that have some friends ~ who would LOVE to do their own interrogations....The South-Side Chicago way...

Alas... gotta do it the legal way...

ROSCO

Rosco, are you saying they started carting stuff off your dad's place before the funeral even? Holy cow, and by what authority did they have to do so? A judge could have stopped it.

All this can mean to me is your sister knew what was going down, but didn't stop it, and may have ordered it done. Sure sounds like she already had plans in place to remove the most valuable things she could think of. Where was she when this stuff was being removed?

You are aware you had every right to do the same aren't you? I'm sure like me, you wouldn't because the almost instant removal of things is just too callous for words.

Perhaps you need to contact the state attorney's office. Who all did LE question regarding the deaths and for how long?

I gotta bring this up. You don't suppose that someone in LE bought those guns from your sister do you? Cops like guns and often are collectors. Something about this case is setting off my hinkey meter.

I guarantee you had this occured in a large city, your sister & her friends would've been in for long grueling interrogations, and before it was over with, somebody would've spilled the beans, and this case would be solved.

 

[gaia227]

How can it be a CIVIL issue when people are carrying items out of an active crime scene? It was a crime scene and if it had been secured like it should have been NO ONE would have been trapesing around helping themselves. I think some of what happened is a case of having LE who just was not prepared to deal with a double homicide.

My ex boyfriends dad came over once and tried to start carting my stuff out (long story) and upon calling the police was told it was a civil issue. Now, if I had just murdered my ex boyfriend and his dad showed up and started carting stuff out THAT would be tampering with evidence and tampering with a crime scene.

Roscoe - it really breaks my heart to hear about the auction and the dumpsters outside the house. It makes my heart hurt. It is so sad to see it come down to this. I can't imagine being in your position. Your self control is admirable. I feel hatred burning in my chest for 'A' and all the crap she has done and hasn't done and if I were in your position I don't know how i would handle it. Even if she had nothing to do with her parent's deaths the way she has acted in the aftermath is enough to breed enough contempt and anger to last the rest of her lifetime. That said - I think she had plenty to do with their deaths.

It just isn't fair. I have a feeling it is one of those things where several people in the Mongo drug community know or have heard rumours of what happened that night and please, please let it be just a matter of time before someone speaks up.

 

[Rosco]

I know gaia227... I truly think that local LE was not prepared and just let it go WAY too early...and to be told it was a civil matter... I swear.. you should have seen the look on my and DH faces...!!!! Truly... I really did not understand and at the time you listen to LE and did what they were asked. She was taking EVERYTHING that was not glued or nailed down out of the property. Things that were worth money.
Just being on the property less than 48hrs after the murders occured FREAKED me out..and had always wondered why LE allowed. LE told me and even the PI I hired ~ that they had gotten everything and anything they could have... OK.. but 3.5yrs later and NOTHING... well.. appears you guys didnt get enough or the right schutff... cuz NOBODY IS ARRESTED !!!:slap:

I sometimes loose control gaia227.... my DH sees it MOSTLY....and that's about it. He is my savior and back-bone.
I can't show DS cuz he's too little... really try to keep the head-up and happy around him. Cool mom..!
He knows about the murders... but still does not clearly and TRULY understand what that means and/or surrounding it.
When I am on-line he asks why do I have to go on Grandpa's story pictures? I tell him that I loved my Daddy and Darleen and want to visit them with their pictures ~ ~ cuz that's all I can do right now.. until we meet in Heaven. :angel:

Oh gaia227.... It's a very very difficult to not blow my stack.... and want to do major harm to 'A'.... I burn so bad inside... that truly I could NEVER forgive her for HOW she was soooooo cold to us, family, her dead parents's wishes.... ect... Just horrible for her actions. COLD and HEARTLESS.... So sorry that she is that kind of person.. Darleen and Dad did not raise a little girl without a heart. They both had warm and caring hearts. I have no clue where and when 'A''s heart died..?

All my love gaia227... thanks

Rosco

How can it be a CIVIL issue when people are carrying items out of an active crime scene? It was a crime scene and if it had been secured like it should have been NO ONE would have been trapesing around helping themselves. I think some of what happened is a case of having LE who just was not prepared to deal with a double homicide.

My ex boyfriends dad came over once and tried to start carting my stuff out (long story) and upon calling the police was told it was a civil issue. Now, if I had just murdered my ex boyfriend and his dad showed up and started carting stuff out THAT would be tampering with evidence and tampering with a crime scene.

Roscoe - it really breaks my heart to hear about the auction and the dumpsters outside the house. It makes my heart hurt. It is so sad to see it come down to this. I can't imagine being in your position. Your self control is admirable. I feel hatred burning in my chest for 'A' and all the crap she has done and hasn't done and if I were in your position I don't know how i would handle it. Even if she had nothing to do with her parent's deaths the way she has acted in the aftermath is enough to breed enough contempt and anger to last the rest of her lifetime. That said - I think she had plenty to do with their deaths.

It just isn't fair. I have a feeling it is one of those things where several people in the Mongo drug community know or have heard rumours of what happened that night and please, please let it be just a matter of time before someone speaks up.

 

[justthinkin]

Rosco, I'm changing my mind. I believe your sister is the person responsible, in that it was her idea, and other parties carried it out for her. It's also possible she and others owed a drug dealer money, and were told they had a very short span of time to deliver it or their heads would roll.

LE mishandled this. And if they didn't question that group about the murders when they were picked up for felony drug offenses, then they're not doing their jobs. Somebody should've been singing.

Forget the state attorney general, go directly to the US attorney for the district of Indiana. Request an investigation into the handling of this crime & crime scene. Mention all the guns that LE failed to secure that likely went into the hands of drug runners.

 

[Rosco]

I still have a hard time with the theory of her knowing and actually being 'in charge' of the whole disaster ~ being there and/or commanding.
Some family thinks the same as you.
I like to continue to WANT to think of her as a victim too and she owed something or she told someone about Dad's boat money and THEY took it from there.
Her actions and lack of emotion tells a differnet story tho.

I am on the US ATTY today (or tomorrow depends on time) and telling my story ~ if there is something that can be investigated.
Truly.... 3.5yrs and counting... there is something wrong with this ... ??

Rosco :blowkiss:

Rosco, I'm changing my mind. I believe your sister is the person responsible, in that it was her idea, and other parties carried it out for her. It's also possible she and others owed a drug dealer money, and were told they had a very short span of time to deliver it or their heads would roll.

LE mishandled this. And if they didn't question that group about the murders when they were picked up for felony drug offenses, then they're not doing their jobs. Somebody should've been singing.

Forget the state attorney general, go directly to the US attorney for the district of Indiana. Request an investigation into the handling of this crime & crime scene. Mention all the guns that LE failed to secure that likely went into the hands of drug runners.

 

[justthinkin]

Rosco, I hope it pans out. It seems to me all you have to mention is drugs, murder, guns, crime scene not properly secured, and the fact your sister couldn't even wait until after the funeral to remove every item of value.

It's a circumstantial case, but I think a jury would be hard pressed to find your sister not guilty. I'm no spring chicken, but this is the very first I've ever heard of someone removing things before a funeral. That kind of gall speaks volumes.

That alone should have set off alarms in LE. I just don't get it. Weren't they taken aback by A removing the stuff before the funeral? They should've had her down at the station being interrogated. There's just no excuse or any justification for not doing so.

3 1/2 yrs., and not one arrest. They're letting this get away from them. :furious: Which agency was in charge of the investigation, the county?

 

[Rosco]

Sometimes justthinkin :banghead: - it's just like this smilies.... banging my head over and over... cuz everthing I am screaming is going on deaf ears. :silenced:

It's all circumstantial... and truly I would NOT want to go to trial UNLESS there is 'something' that is direct... I do not want the case to be tried and then let them walk... HER walk.. and nobody in jail. I would prefer to wait it out ~ how ever long it takes.... to make sure there is a GUILTY conviction.

Just can't go by crossed fingers and a kiss on the four-head for luck on this one...

Appears LE was NOT taken back by her behavior... cuz I put it into their attention (right in your face attention) and I was told it's civil... then the shrugged of the shoulders came and nothing was done by LE...

Soooo as it is... it all went bye-bye and nothing is left to filter thru... all gone.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

LaGrange Co is lead invesigators... and State of IN is secondary along with FBI and ATF involvment.. So it was not just local. I have direct contact with State LE and also FBI. All have and continue to be seated in the round circle when I visit at LE office
(( which I will be doing YET again next weekend after Iron Man )) Truly hate the meetings cuz it hurts to be told nothing is happening...

Case been getting away from LE for 3.5yrs....and the clock continues to tick-away justthinkin....

Every single day it gets farther and farther away from touching without an arrest and/or someone held accoutable for their murders.... EVERYDAY..

Rosco

Rosco, I hope it pans out. It seems to me all you have to mention is drugs, murder, guns, crime scene not properly secured, and the fact your sister couldn't even wait until after the funeral to remove every item of value.

It's a circumstantial case, but I think a jury would be hard pressed to find your sister not guilty. I'm no spring chicken, but this is the very first I've ever heard of someone removing things before a funeral. That kind of gall speaks volumes.

That alone should have set off alarms in LE. I just don't get it. Weren't they taken aback by A removing the stuff before the funeral? They should've had her down at the station being interrogated. There's just no excuse or any justification for not doing so.

3 1/2 yrs., and not one arrest. They're letting this get away from them. :furious: Which agency was in charge of the investigation, the county?

 

[gaia227]

Sometimes justthinkin :banghead: - it's just like this smilies.... banging my head over and over... cuz everthing I am screaming is going on deaf ears. :silenced:

It's all circumstantial... and truly I would NOT want to go to trial UNLESS there is 'something' that is direct... I do not want the case to be tried and then let them walk... HER walk.. and nobody in jail. I would prefer to wait it out ~ how ever long it takes.... to make sure there is a GUILTY conviction.

Just can't go by crossed fingers and a kiss on the four-head for luck on this one...

Appears LE was NOT taken back by her behavior... cuz I put it into their attention (right in your face attention) and I was told it's civil... then the shrugged of the shoulders came and nothing was done by LE...

Soooo as it is... it all went bye-bye and nothing is left to filter thru... all gone.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

LaGrange Co is lead invesigators... and State of IN is secondary along with FBI and ATF involvment.. So it was not just local. I have direct contact with State LE and also FBI. All have and continue to be seated in the round circle when I visit at LE office
(( which I will be doing YET again next weekend after Iron Man )) Truly hate the meetings cuz it hurts to be told nothing is happening...

Case been getting away from LE for 3.5yrs....and the clock continues to tick-away justthinkin....

Every single day it gets farther and farther away from touching without an arrest and/or someone held accoutable for their murders.... EVERYDAY..

Rosco

It boogles my mind that LE would not think it was very, very strange and suspicious that "A" was removing all this stuff off the property before her parents were even buried. How could they not think that is weird???
It just seems like common sense for a detective to hone in on suspicious behvaior like that and take note of it.

Besides that it says so much about "A"'s priorities. Why was getting all of that stuff off the property more important than planning for her parents funerals or just grieving and being with her family, working with LE trying to figure out who did this? Why? There has to be a reason. I know people grieve in different ways but her actions were not done out of grieve but IMO out of self preservation. When I think about what she did in the days following her parents murders they strike me of the actions of someone who is trying to act quick, cover tracks, manic in their attempts to do so where it got to a point where she could not even focus on things that would appear normal - like finding something nice for her mother to wear when she is buried. I have tried to resist the notion that she was involved but I can't anymore. I think she was involved.

The scenario I see is one that is along the lines of being with her BF and others one night high on meth, perhaps they were running out, they didn't have any money, they were talking about how they are sick of scrounging around for dope money, how they are sick of living in a trailor on her parents land, how they are sick of having to work for her father, etc. Somehow an idea begins to form that if Terry and Darlene were gone then Amanda would be beneficiary of basically everything they own. I think the idea was her BF and his friends but she was there, she heard, she was f'ed up on drugs and she either agreed or didn't object. Maybe she didn't think they would really go through with it and in the sober light of day thought for sure they were just messing around, talking - high talk. But her friends were serious and they did go through with it and Amanda knows who it was and why it happened. I find it possible she was threatened by these people and told if she didn't do what they told her to, give them what they wanted and certainly if she told they would hurt her so in the aftermath she was consumed with panic, half crazy trying to make her BF happy, get things out of the house, etc. She has avoided her family out of guilt and fear.

Of course, that is all speculation but to me it seems like the most logical explanation. I don't think she would have done anything like this on her own and it seems like one of the few reasonable explanations as to why she has behaved the way she has and why she allowed her parents house to go to **** and allowed all these losers to make it their drug haven.

It is obvious she has her problems but after her two babies I have to say I think the girl is trashy, ignorant, selfish and plain stupid and any and all sympathy I would or could have for her is gone. She should be in prison anyway for child abuse and neglect not to mention drugs. How is this girl so freaking lucky?

 

[Rosco]

gaia227.. I could not have written the above post any better...


Rosco..

 

[justthinkin]

The longer Terry & Darleen's murders go unsolved, the less apt they are to be solved unfortunately.

Gaia, I'm thinking along the same lines as you. If A loved her mother, then the clothes she was buried in would've been important to her even with a closed casket service. I mean, this is your precious mother and father who've been beaten to death. A's thoughts couldn't possibly be on anything else if love was in her heart for her parents. She'd have had to spend time just totally shocked like the rest of the family. Even if she put some of the responsibility on Rosco or another older female relative to organize things, A should have still wanted to be very much a part of organizing the funerals, picking out caskets, flowers, but also because of her age, relying on her older sister's judgement as well. How involved was she, Rosco? I know you said she put no thought at all into the clothes for her mother, but what about the rest of the arrangements?

Also, what about the guy that lived on the same road as Terry & Darleen, the person who was arrested in that drug sting op? Is he a suspect? Rosco, even if they don't have any leads, LE should be able to tell you how many potential suspects they have or persons of interest, if they've narrowed it down the field of suspects at all, and after those felony drug arrests if anyone was quizzed about the murders which should've been done.

I can't imagine Terry telling anyone outside of family about the cash he had in hand. I can imagine A or her boyfriend or ex, whichever one worked with Terry, getting high on meth & talking about it, but there's timing involved, and this looks like it was planned and premeditated. I mean, some guy or guys overhearing about the cash in one minute, wouldn't just excuse themselves in the next to go commit the murders.

How many people knew Terry was getting a new boat and when he was getting it? Was he a trusting fellow, maybe too trusting? Rosco, do you know the person at the dealership that your dad was going to buy the boat from? If your dad wasn't going to be buying directly from the owner of the boat dealerships, could the person he was to deal with have been experiencing financial difficulties? Was the person a friend of your dad's outside of boat dealings? Could he have stopped by the house after dark easily or known how to deal with Rosco?

It seems to me there's a limited number of possible suspects. How many different meth people that were friends of A's had been at the home recently? I know you don't live there, but maybe some aunts or uncles or other family members who do live nearby or in Mongo might be able to shed some light on that.

 

[Rosco]

I've been saying that since day #1.... and on LE for that reason. I Network so much to keep their unsolved homicides active and in the front of the bus... so LE does not forget that there needs justice.

She was late for most arrangments and/or meetings. We did pick the flowers out together and the caskets w/mass cards. We agreed and decided together that she would choose the clothes for her mom and I for our father.

It did hurt me about the lack of attention Darleen was getting for her preparation for the wake and funeral. It was important on what Dad was going to be buried in ~ to me.. I was particular for certain artifacts to go along...and his hunting clothes along with ice-fishing poles and a musky lure... I mean .. I even 'almost' buried him in his Musky Guide Carhart jacket .. BUT.. last minute I ran back into the funeral home and had them take it out. I have it on in the picture on the myspace for the billboard
I AM SOOOOOOOOOOO GLAD I DID THAT!!!!! WOW~~~~ :clap::clap::clap:

I emailed LE regarding the arrests that were made just a few weeks ago... only 4 farm house down from Dad and Darleen's place... and LE informed me that they are looking into that group and/or maybe knowing some information. I reminded LE to mention the $20K again... Sometimes that might get someone talking... OR even the 'get out of jail free card' that LE had mentioned would and could possibly happen if someone could come-up with information... PRAYING... something happens..

I dont think Dad was 'that' trusting. I mean... remember that most of the pps worked close with him... and most visited him at his very barn almost daily/weekly. Dad had an appointment with the dealer for that Sat. LE knows the dealer... I do not know where he was going.. which dealer and seeing which salesperson.

It had to have been planned. Remember GM had some company staying at the house for a week or so (7-10 or so) and they had just left earlier that week. The next month was Deer season and we were already planning the visit there... always did opening day! Dad had that boat money and by Sat is was going to be gone.... and invested. It was something planned. Might not have been a long time planning.. as far as the 'date'... but planning non-the-less. The behavior of everyone and that includes "A' was NOT normal... no matter. The conversations and lack of attention to the murders or wanting to help screamed loudly of 'something is wrong with this picture'....

Nobody was going to the house. Nobody lives near Mongo - as far as family. "A" disconneted ALL contact with family - to be invited to the house... SOOOOO Not a clue how many meth-heads. I believe it to be a revolving door.... LE told me just months after the murders to NOT go to the house. THEY watch the house and read plates. THEY know that all the pps that go to the house has/had criminal records/felony records.. including murder. SOOOO never went there..

So it just gets me that 'A" would write on topix about her 'laying low' cuz she's on 'ground zero' just cracks me up..
SHE WAS LAYING LOW IN THE VERY MINE FIELD..!!!!!!

I do not and will NEVER believe that LE told her to be quiet for her saftey... That's a bunch of BS... :hand:

Just her way of disconneting herself from the family and the homicides..

:blowkiss:Rosco

The longer Terry & Darleen's murders go unsolved, the less apt they are to be solved unfortunately.

Gaia, I'm thinking along the same lines as you. If A loved her mother, then the clothes she was buried in would've been important to her even with a closed casket service. I mean, this is your precious mother and father who've been beaten to death. A's thoughts couldn't possibly be on anything else if love was in her heart for her parents. She'd have had to spend time just totally shocked like the rest of the family. Even if she put some of the responsibility on Rosco or another older female relative to organize things, A should have still wanted to be very much a part of organizing the funerals, picking out caskets, flowers, but also because of her age, relying on her older sister's judgement as well. How involved was she, Rosco? I know you said she put no thought at all into the clothes for her mother, but what about the rest of the arrangements?

Also, what about the guy that lived on the same road as Terry & Darleen, the person who was arrested in that drug sting op? Is he a suspect? Rosco, even if they don't have any leads, LE should be able to tell you how many potential suspects they have or persons of interest, if they've narrowed it down the field of suspects at all, and after those felony drug arrests if anyone was quizzed about the murders which should've been done.

I can't imagine Terry telling anyone outside of family about the cash he had in hand. I can imagine A or her boyfriend or ex, whichever one worked with Terry, getting high on meth & talking about it, but there's timing involved, and this looks like it was planned and premeditated. I mean, some guy or guys overhearing about the cash in one minute, wouldn't just excuse themselves in the next to go commit the murders.

How many people knew Terry was getting a new boat and when he was getting it? Was he a trusting fellow, maybe too trusting? Rosco, do you know the person at the dealership that your dad was going to buy the boat from? If your dad wasn't going to be buying directly from the owner of the boat dealerships, could the person he was to deal with have been experiencing financial difficulties? Was the person a friend of your dad's outside of boat dealings? Could he have stopped by the house after dark easily or known how to deal with Rosco?

It seems to me there's a limited number of possible suspects. How many different meth people that were friends of A's had been at the home recently? I know you don't live there, but maybe some aunts or uncles or other family members who do live nearby or in Mongo might be able to shed some light on that.

 

[justthinkin]

Rosco, I want to thank you for your patience in answering all these questions.
I did not make myself clear when asking about what people had been to the house recently. I meant prior to the murders not afterwards. Sorry. I was just trying to get an idea of the people (A & friends) who may have visited at your dad and step-mom's house just prior to their murders, but since there were no other family members close by, that's probably info only LE and A would know.