"incestuous" images found on JP's computer in Utah

She should have demanded the boys go for a medical check up!!!!! BEFORE he saw them again!!

I was wondering if the boys had been checked after SP's arrest, but now....finding this kind of material should have prompted one 2 years ago!! I just CAN NOT believe this $(^%!
 
Looking a little further, I see that this has been mentioned on another thread, the one about Powell family statements.

The article I linked explains that these images were found in 2009 and that they were "realistic computer-generated" images (not actual photos) -- I guess a type of animation -- so apparently there may be some question about whether they are illegal ...?

Wait, what? They found these images TWO YEARS AGO and were just NOW beginning to think it might be wise to evaluate if it has a bearing on his custody of his sons???

From his comments in the custody hearing it sounded to me like the lawyer knew exactly what these images were. Knowing they were computer generated he'd be able to say they aren't illegal but he also knew they were in extremely bad taste and concerning IMO.

Computer-generated or cartoon depictions of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 are considered child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 per federal law: 18 USC 1466A.
 
This whole mess is so unbelieveable.
Who could of stopped most of this?
the judge?
if so then the judge needs more education.
Was judge elected????
 
This whole mess is so unbelieveable.
Who could of stopped most of this?
the judge?
if so then the judge needs more education.
Was judge elected????

Good question and her name is being held from MSM sources.
 
Computer-generated or cartoon depictions of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 are considered child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 per federal law: 18 USC 1466A.

gitana1, if a child had gone to school and told his teacher about seeing cartoons as the kind mentioned...or brought them the DVD or whatever, wouldn't they be required to report it?
 
gitana1, if a child had gone to school and told his teacher about seeing cartoons as the kind mentioned...or brought them the DVD or whatever, wouldn't they be required to report it?

or ever drew cartoons like that! Kids usually draw things they see.............JMO
or tell others
 
What do you think is the real issue why these high profile case slipped through so many cracks and the whole world was even watching? Was it a backlash to the media? Being overly cautious due to lawsuits and laws? It's a lack of funds, LE and detectives? What could be possibly the problem?
The Cox did the right thing. They knew what Josh was capable of. I really wish the courts would have but out of the visitation issues until a full investigation occurred.
the Cox are good law abiding people who trusted the courts to protect the boys. the courts let them down.


CPS Fails children in all our States,they answer to no one even the police,FBI even when child tells of naked pics are taken. In our case CPS showed up and told perp kids said pics were taken,of course he denied it.Every time children die CPS investigates themselves and nothing get changed.All they do is BS the public to pacify us till we hear about the next dead child.Reunification of the family at a very high cost to children in danger.:banghead:
 
Is anyone else wondering what "incestuous" means in this instance? It could mean Josh and the kids, or it could mean Josh and other family members. My mind is going in strange directions here.

I just hope the family doesn't blame the internet, LE, or the media for this latest news. No one made JP do any of these acts, and each one seems worse than the next.

The newsman said "incestuous images". If the images weren't actual pictures, how would they know it was "incestuous"? The images must have looked very much like the family members.

The news keeps replaying Alina's insane statement that JP was distraught over internet harrassment and such, and how he couldn't take it anymore. Please! If he had killed only himself, sure, he could have been depressed, upset over not having his kids, fearing he was close to being arrested for Susan's disappearance, or his involvement in his father's 🤬🤬🤬🤬 case, okay, we could say he couldn't take it. But he murdered his children, brutally and maliciously, even telling them he had a big surprise for them. Evil is the only answer.

There was much more going on than internet harrassment, these images prove it.

Totally agree. I can't begin to understand why CPS would sign off on home visits with j.
The potential that those images were a legal loophole is nauseatingly disturbing. Another thing- The police do not describe the images as 🤬🤬🤬🤬. What specifically caused LE to firmly describe them as incestuous? Were they named or shockingly obvious images?

Apparently there is a whole 🤬🤬🤬🤬 genre which has to do with parents and their kids, or siblings, etc., in incestual situations, but all depicted are adults. The captions or titles or "quotes" of the people depicted indicate they are related. Man, this is one sick, sick family. I think this is a family that violently hated women, except maybe if it was a daughter or sister. I think of the noose found in the house, the alienation of the children against their moms, for generations, the paper mache body with a knife going through it, the sick glee on both the coward and his father's face when they discussed poor Susan wanting a "relationship" with her father-in-law, etc. Evil, sick people. My gosh.

From what I understand child pornographers have been using life like computer generated images to circumvent child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 laws. The images are completely life like but not illegal because they aren't using real people. A loophole that I was under the impression they were working to correct.

There was a law in the 90's that was basically rendered useless by a federal decision, I think an 11th circuit decision, but then a new federal law, the same one that gave us the federal Amber Alert bill, recriminalized computer generated or cartoon depictions of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬.

But federal law only covers those acts which involve interstate commerce, in this context. So unless the depictions are mailed, sent via e-mail, etc., federal law does not kick in. And if the images involve adults play-acting incest, the feds would have no reason to get involved.

So, while simulated kiddie 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is illegal and would involve the feds, I don't know what individual states have to say about such 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and unless it is very graphic, the feds may not step in to research and determine whether it was generated by the person having it, or received or sent by such person (which would be a federal offense). The feds have much more live child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to concentrate on and I think their resources are limited.

I'm guessing these were simulated depictions of adult incest. I do not think the boys were sexually abused by their father but I do think he was one sick puppy and all of that pointed to such a disordered mind that he was a deep risk to Susan's sons.
 
gitana1, if a child had gone to school and told his teacher about seeing cartoons as the kind mentioned...or brought them the DVD or whatever, wouldn't they be required to report it?

Yes, because it is abuse to show a child such a thing.
 
Oh no!

The images were realistic computer-generated depictions of parent-child sex, Detective Ed Troyer of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department told the Associated Press.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powel...-images-police/story?id=15555337#.TzVqXM5Fuwg

:( :( :(

I remember them discussing the images at one of the custody hearings. IIRC, the coward was stating that those were not his images and the report was that LE was investigating to determine whether they were his or his father's. Remember, the whole reason custody was taken to begin with was because of what they found on the computers and at the time of steve powell's arrest, LE was discussing further investigation and possibly
charging the coward with an offense as well. So these images were discussed from the beginning and played a part in custody being yanked.

I guess the judge never saw the images, nor did The Coxes' attorneys. Apparently the psychologist who thought the coward was such a great dad, and no danger to his kids, just saw these images recently? And that made him change his mind? Hence, the judge ordered the psycho-sexual eval which made the coward decide to end his life and murder Susan's boys? That is what I am gathering for various reports, put together.

Is anyone else getting the same picture?

BTW, in the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 world, parent-child does not mean the child is necessarily a minor.
 
CPS Fails children in all our States,the answer to no one even the police,FBI even when child tells of naked pics are taken. In our case CPS showed up and told perp kids said pics were taken,of course he denied it.Every time children die CPS investigates themselves and nothing get changed.All they do is BS the public to pacify us till we hear about the next dead child.Reunification of the family at a very high cost to children in danger.:banghead:

Maybe, CPS needs to be investigated by outside agency.
I do notice CPS drops the ball again and again.
 
IMO IMO IMO etc. but it seems so obvious that JP's birth family was so very, very abusive and messed up. I will never seek to excuse his acts but there's no denying he was so very damaged by SP, as were the other sibs, except Jennifer. I think of the horrors THEY no doubt endured. SP comes across as someone with no boundaries...what's his is his, and what's yours is his. Even a son's wife (he wished). I have no doubt at all that JP and sibs were abused in horrible ways and subject to all manner of inappropriate behavior. The misogyny - that image of a woman being pierced by a sword - the essential annihilation of their mom - the distrust of authority - it does not end. Except Jennifer, none of the others seem able to function in the world or care for themselves. I have long felt that the SP home was always some kind of sick compound. Someone posted yesterday (I'm sorry, I forget who and in which thread) that there was a vibe of "family affair" to the SP home and I am sickened to say that I agree and have thought so for a long time. Dear god.

Poor, poor Susan. I always imagine she viewed JP as the damaged child that he was, and believed that her love, and God's, could heal him. Coming from the strong, loving, NORMAL family she did, no way could she have imagined the depravity lurking there. She probably thought that being away from SP in Utah would help. But nothing could help, I think, unless JP had wanted to change and been willing to undergo massive, massive psychological treatment.

You can't help wondering how far back the damage began. We know SP endured his own horrors. It continues to shock and astonish to see the far-reaching effects of such crippling dysfunction. Will I ever wrap my head around it? Do I want to?

You've put everything that I've thought and felt about this case from the beginning. Thank you for expressing it in words better than I. I have hoped that all the red flags and all the talk would have helped the other siblings to seek the help they apparently so desperately need.....however, will they be courageous or just ignore it? If not, then I feel their relationships in the future...it they choose, will suffer. Jennifer is the only one besides JP to marry and have children. The next in line has a mental handicap and the last two were pretty young when the divorce was evolving. :please: IMO, JMO, etc.
 
thank you!!!

I may get it troule for posting this link, but the judges name has been said in the MSM and to be honest, I am little ticked that the social worker's name was released and has taken some heat, and nothing has been said about this judge.

SHE is the one that has blood on her hands, IMO. You can see the look in JP's eyes that she sealed those precious boy's fate.

A judge was on one of the talking heads the other day (think is was Vinnie Politan) on HLN; she works in Family Court and stated that one of the things she does is look in the parent in the EYES.

I am upset with the 911 operator; however, not the social worker. She was just doing what the court told her to do aka the JUDGE. Why have we not seen anything about HER?

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/judge-denies-custody-josh-powell-new-allegations-e/nHRb2/
 
I may get it troule for posting this link, but the judges name has been said in the MSM and to be honest, I am little ticked that the social worker's name was released and has taken some heat, and nothing has been said about this judge.

SHE is the one that has blood on her hands, IMO. You can see the look in JP's eyes that she sealed those precious boy's fate.

A judge was on one of the talking heads the other day (think is was Vinnie Politan) on HLN; she works in Family Court and stated that one of the things she does is look in the parent in the EYES.

I am upset with the 911 operator; however, not the social worker. She was just doing what the court told her to do aka the JUDGE. Why have we not seen anything about HER?

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/judge-denies-custody-josh-powell-new-allegations-e/nHRb2/

Judges are often above the law. They can't be sued.
I wish I knew more about her.
 
According to the detective on this case these were not cartoon-like or character like images at all. They were computer generated HUMANS and realistic life like images depicting parental incest. The detective stated that this made them even more disturbing. These images was were not at all anime or toonish. They were realistic.
 
Two years ago, the "incestuous" images were seized from Powell's home computer in Utah.

Last year, child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 was seized from a computer, home and/or car belonging to GPa, SP, in Washington.

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Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.


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Last year, authorities searched Steve Powell's home, computer and cars for evidence in Susan Powell's disappearance -- and instead said they found thousands of voyeuristic pictures and videos, including child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 recorded by Steve Powell.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...ewsbreak_powell_had_incestuous_images/?page=1
 
JP's brother-in-law said he hopes they'll never be a Charlie and Braden Law because Josh was determined to do what he was going to do! :banghead: Why don't the Powells just shut up? They keep saying the most infuriating things. I would expect the family to be begging for changes to be made where children would be protected from this sort of thing. There are no words. At least no words I can type here.

:please: Help me, please.

That's what we need. Just like poor Zahra's horrible fate brought "Zahra's Law". We need a "Charlie and Braden Law". Why oh why do these children have to suffer unprotected and the law comes afterwards?!

I don't buy that JP would have gotten away with this no matter what. That day, though, YES, he was going thru with it no matter what. But before that, he could have and SHOULD have been stopped LONG before he even took those two little children from Utah to live with his pedofilic 'father!
 

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