"incestuous" images found on JP's computer in Utah

[Magdalyn]

But she was ill enough that while the friend was still there Susan told the friend she had to go lay down. That wasn't long after they finally ate. I just don't see her getting on the computer when she was too ill to continue doing the project with the friend.

Seeing something on the computer may not have been the catalyst. I just imagined she had felt ill around 3 or 4 pm, and that whatever happened to Susan happened closer to 10 ish--I've had gastric issues come and go in less time than that.

Imagine that he hadn't poisoned her pancakes, she just had an upset tummy, that she recovered a bit a few hours later, got on the computer....

That being said, knowing NOW how much JP loves 'overkill' and torture, I can just see him semi-poisoning her to keep her 'down and out' (not enough to kill) while he prepares his 'step two' of her demise while she's still feeling weak and shaky. Just killing her with (maybe) poison isn't sadistic enough for his tatse (IMO!)

 

[Wondergirl]

What these boys may have gone through in their short lives, is unimaginable.

It makes me beyond sad.

OMG.

 

[Magdalyn]

Just wanted to add that one of the reasons I believe it was unplanned and that Susan stumbled onto something is that if it were planned, I don't think Josh would plan it for a Sunday afternoon/evening knowing all he'd have to go through to get rid of her body, in a blizzard and in the middle of the night, dragging his kids with him, and missing work the next day, and knowing the babysitter would be wondering where the heck the kids were.

If it were preplanned, I'd think he'd want the most possible time between killing her and when people would start noticing she was gone. I'd think he'd plan for the kids (witnesses) to be elsewhere.

All this (to me) speaks of sudden unplanned violence, then holy *****, I have to get rid of this body. Then 'where's my beanie' and 'can someone get me some lotion for my wind-burned hands.'

 

[T4Tide]

I can give you a better example of what these "computer generated characters" may look like. You can Google "Aimi Eguchi" and you will find a computer generated character created in Japan.

http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/...ted-pop-stars-and-next-gen-pop-entertainment/

You can also watch this youtube video about how she's made:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh_BC_HU_lk"]The Making of Japan virtual character AKB48's idol "Aimi Eguchi" & Link to make your own AKB48 - YouTube[/ame]

If you viewed either the picture or the article without me telling you that those were not real humans in them, you wouldn't have known. I assume this computer generated is made out of the same computer like images. It would be really easy, placed in a home setting.... to depict an incestuous relationship between a parent and a child.

 

[dovebar]

It's very daunting to think of how destructive child and pedophilia are, and how the computer age has given pedophiles entirely new ways to get together, compare notes, and give each other advice on how to get jobs and volunteer opportunities around kids, how to hide their tracks, how to throw parents off, and now....how to groom kids using cartoons. What a lovely new tool for these sickos!

We need a fresh look at the laws in order to keep up with this sick technology. IMHO, no child should be living in the home with, in a classroom with, or on a sports team or activity group with someone who is viewing this or has it on their computer. I leave it to others to figure out HT to enforce that. Maybe the video developers themselves need to have a way to track things. I'm also very disturbed about the decision in Washington that library users need to be able to view in the library. And I consider myself politically progressive! But I'm starting to think that desperate times call for measures like routinely polygraphing teachers and others involved with kids, just as we routinely drug-test. Maybe psychosexual exams need to be random, routine, and frequent. Otherwise, with this kind of technology, we are going to see an ever-increasing explosion of exposed kids, who are troubled themselves.

JMO today. It's all so sick and the sick seem to be winning their "rights" to kids and kids' spaces.

 

[Magdalyn]

I can give you a better example of what these "computer generated characters" may look like. You can Google "Aimi Eguchi" and you will find a computer generated character created in Japan.

http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/...ted-pop-stars-and-next-gen-pop-entertainment/

You can also watch this youtube video about how she's made:
The Making of Japan virtual character AKB48's idol "Aimi Eguchi" & Link to make your own AKB48 - YouTube

If you viewed either the picture or the article without me telling you that those were not real humans in them, you wouldn't have known. I assume this computer generated is made out of the same computer like images. It would be really easy, placed in a home setting.... to depict an incestuous relationship between a parent and a child.

Wow. I had no idea ... (and thank you for enlightening us to this stuff--I really had no idea.)

I have to believe that this animation on JP's computer did depict pedophile style parent/child incest, or else, why go the animated route? I'm sure there's 'legal' all adult out there where people play characters who are supposed to be related. Just get some older actors and younger, but still adult actors, and have them call each other mom, dad, son, brother, etc. The only reason a person would go the animated route for their , IMO, is because they desired kiddie , and believed it was less illegal or not illegal at all, or subjectively illegal depending on how the law was interpreted. And seeing as the cops knew JP had this on his computer since 2009 and didn't arrest him for it, he must have been right in this assumption. :waitasec:

 

[SyraKelly]

I know this is a dumb question-so please forgive me-.but I am trying to understand this-How did the police know these were computer genrated-they look so real?To me both girls look the same and real

 

[T4Tide]

I know this is a dumb question-so please forgive me-.but I am trying to understand this-How did the police know these were computer genrated-they look so real?To me both girls look the same and real

I don't know. Unless you've laid eyes on every face in the world, how would you be positive that it wasn't someone real?

OT....and I don't mean to sound like a loon, but this kind of "deception" plays a very sinister part in our future as a society. Right now, we watch TV, a news "MSM" video, and we take it's information as truth. The power of this technology in the wrong hands is worrisome to me.

 

[21merc7]

I don't know. Unless you've laid eyes on every face in the world, how would you be positive that it wasn't someone real?

OT....and I don't mean to sound like a loon, but this kind of "deception" plays a very sinister part in our future as a society. Right now, we watch TV, a news "MSM" video, and we take it's information as truth. The power of this technology in the wrong hands is worrisome to me.

Just an add on to your thought, that part of deception has always played a part in our society and is now getting worse.

I have feared from the first day of mention about the images just what they are. I thought they may be just what you linked for everyone to understand and it angers me terribly.

 

[sorrell skye]

It's become clear to me why JP didn't want Susan to use the computer.

 

[Magdalyn]

Okay, I found this article, don't know if you guys have seen it or linked it, but JPs stuff sounds like it wasn't this uber-realistic stuff, and that's why it wasn't considered illegal.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...d-🤬🤬🤬🤬-animation-images-were-not-a-crime.html

If depicted images are so "indistinguishable" that an ordinary person would conclude they are the real thing — those images are not protected speech and prosecution can occur. It is an area of law that is evolving as law enforcement tries to keep up with technology.

The animation on Powell's computer shows a family with children about ages 7 and 8, but the characters were not meant to look like real people, Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Sgt. Ed Troyer said. "It depicts pornographic acts, it's incest in nature."

And also, yeah, it was with little kid incest. Ugh.

 

[karen7868]

This article may help clear up that Susan was not ill, according to JoVonna Owings.

She said she was only tired/sleepy, not ill.

HTH.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...29yqAg&usg=AFQjCNG-F5fAlq3xl4-FDf9Xllq7oz6SIQ

 

[Magdalyn]

This article may help clear up that Susan was not ill, according to JoVonna Owings.

She said she was only tired/sleepy, not ill.

HTH.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...29yqAg&usg=AFQjCNG-F5fAlq3xl4-FDf9Xllq7oz6SIQ

Yup. A lot can happen between 5 and 11, especially if she wasn't ill. So maybe he really went sledding with the boys, Susan though, "Yay! I finally get some computer time," or, if she wasn't really allowed, maybe she thought, "Let me see what's on this thing since he's acting so weird about me using it...."

 

[karen7868]

BBM

Didn't Josh and the boys leave late that night? Wasn't there lots of time between when she felt ill and her friend left and when Josh and all left much later that night?

I know the generalities around that day, but not what time her friend left and what time Josh was presumed to have left with the boys (and likely her body.)

I think this article will answer some of your questions. It has been the most detailed article I have seen yet regarding that Sunday.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...29yqAg&usg=AFQjCNG-F5fAlq3xl4-FDf9Xllq7oz6SIQ

 

[karen7868]

Yup. A lot can happen between 5 and 11, especially if she wasn't ill. So maybe he really went sledding with the boys, Susan though, "Yay! I finally get some computer time," or, if she wasn't really allowed, maybe she thought, "Let me see what's on this thing since he's acting so weird about me using it...."

I can't figure out how they were able to stay out so long sledding. That was like around 3 hours. To me that is a long time considering how cold it was and on a school night.

That is what made me think Josh may have took a shovel with him and dug a hole while the kids were playing, but I mentioned that to someone and they reminded me the ground would most likely have been to cold/frozen to be able to dig.

I am wondering about the car alarm too.

 

[Magdalyn]

I can't figure out how they were able to stay out so long sledding. That was like around 3 hours. To me that is a long time considering how cold it was and on a school night.

That is what made me think Josh may have took a shovel with him and dug a hole while the kids were playing, but I mentioned that to someone and they reminded me the ground would most likely have been to cold/frozen to be able to dig.

I am wondering about the car alarm too.

I must have missed it or it wasn't in this article--where does it say they were out sledding for three hours?

If Josh said they were gone sledding for three hours---pfffft!---it was in his best interest to screw up the timeline.

 

[karen7868]

I must have missed it or it wasn't in this article--where does it say they were out sledding for three hours?

If Josh said they were gone sledding for three hours---pfffft!---it was in his best interest to screw up the timeline.

I'm sorry. I read in another article interviewing a neighbor that said he saw Josh and the kids return to the house from sledding around 8 or 8:30 that night.

I will try to find the article to back my story up.

Thx for catching that.

 

[Magdalyn]

I'm sorry. I read in another article interviewing a neighbor that said he saw Josh and the kids return to the house from sledding around 8 or 8:30 that night.

I will try to find the article to back my story up.

Thx for catching that.

Well, did they walk or drive to sledding? 'Cause if they were going to a specific place they like to sled, some hill across town or two towns over, they may have had to drive (in a warm car) for a bit to get there and back, and that would have eaten into sledding out in the cold time.

The keeping them out late-ish on a Sunday (8-8:30)--when my kids were young (prior to elementary school age) my husband might have done that ocassionally, much to my annoyance (since I was the Scheduled Bath and Bed Routine Nazi and he was Mr. 'But We're Having Fun!' Guy. What am I saying. He's STILL the fun parent! But anyhoo...

The kids were going to the sitter's the next day, not school, right?

 

[karen7868]

I must have missed it or it wasn't in this article--where does it say they were out sledding for three hours?

If Josh said they were gone sledding for three hours---pfffft!---it was in his best interest to screw up the timeline.

It's in this article, but I also read it somewhere else because I think it gave the neighbor's name.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...ine-of-days-surrounding-susan-s-disappearance

 

[karen7868]

Well, did they walk or drive to sledding? 'Cause if they were going to a specific place they like to sled, some hill across town or two towns over, they may have had to drive (in a warm car) for a bit to get there and back, and that would have eaten into sledding out in the cold time.

The keeping them out late-ish on a Sunday (8-8:30)--when my kids were young (prior to elementary school age) my husband might have done that ocassionally, much to my annoyance (since I was the Scheduled Bath and Bed Routine Nazi and he was Mr. 'But We're Having Fun!' Guy. What am I saying. He's STILL the fun parent! But anyhoo...

The kids were going to the sitter's the next day, not school, right?

I assumed they walked. But what struck me is JoVonna said anytime he did things with the kids he didn't stay long.

And you are right about the daycare. They were supposed to arrive at 6:30 a.m. according to the timeline in the article.

He must have known he would get fired for not going in to work the next morning by not calling in. That right there tells me he had it in his mind he was going to be moving to WA to live with his dad.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...ine-of-days-surrounding-susan-s-disappearance