Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #80

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  • #121
100% support it as it would force a double-talking, non committal fruit loop like her to answer. Some people have brains that work linearly and may get bowled over by her hyper literal correcting.

Not to mention being bored to death by a DT that functions at a snail's pace ffs. :banghead:

I have not seen FFS on the boards for sometime! Made me laugh! for a board it doesn't allow curse words, we sure do get our emotions across.

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  • #122
I actually think Nurmi is doing the best he can with a client who has admitted she killed the victim and is a pathological liar. She has obviously lied to her defense team as well. He asks the open ended questions and lets her testify so as not to elicit specifically false testimony. After all, JA was the only one there with no witnesses and it is her word for what that is worth. Would we truly want a spectacular defense attorney trying this case? No. Not if it risked her getting off. I think the judge has given the defense a lot of leeway so the conviction cannot be overturned on appeal. I agree that Nurmi is over her and has been over her. Respectfully, IMO
 
  • #123
I can only imagine the terror and disbelief going through Travis's mind
when he sees this person with a gun doing a reenactment of the event he
told on the Mefford tape. This person who was laying on his lap and heard every word. And instead of just slipping from underneath his arm, makes a big sweep by picking up his whole arm. Sleeping beast needs attention.

My thought when I watched that was that Jodi was mad that travis would choose to spend ANY time with his friends when she was around and obviously wanted to be bedded.
 
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  • #125
OK. I didn't want to have to do this.

I have now hooked my left arm up to a home blood pressure monitoring system because every time she says "I did this to protect Travis' reputation"

I feel flush and the room starts to go gray.

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  • #126
Why does everyone think that the shower pictures are a photo shoot that Jodi said she was doing because Travis asked her to.
She has consistantly lied about everything and yet people seem to think because she said she was taking pictures of Travis because he wanted to compare his body to see how his body was shaping up from exercise is what really happend.

Why wouldnt Travis just had her take pictures of him in shorts or something if this was the case?
That is just an excuse for why she was in the bathroom with him at all.
I do not think he knew she was there with him at all period.
She was taking pictures without a flash and the shower noise would block out any camera sound so he didn't know she was there.

I believe Travis had seen her leave his house and thought he was done with her.
He went to have a shower and while in there she came back.
Silently she came up the stairs armed with the gun and the knife.
She could have laid elther weapon on the counter without him knowing it.
Most of the pics show him with his face into the shower stream with his eyes closed.
She may have opened the shower door and stabbed him with the camera still in her hand.
That is when the surprised look picture was taken as she pulled the door open.

She had to tell the police why she was in the bathroom with him-she couldn't say because I came back to kill him could she.
Im sure if Travis knew she was still in his house he wouldn't have been relaxed enough to go take a shower but if he thought she was on her way home he would.
I think people have to think out of the box a little.
Just because Jodi says something dosen't mean it is true does it.
The whole Travis was posing for the shower photo shoot is total bs.
Jodi had over a month to think of excuses before she was arrested.
You also have to remember she wouldn't know how long it would take for someone to find his body.
It could have been found within a few hrs for all she knew.
People have a habit of following a belief or theory from someone else and don't think of any other way things might have happend.
Jodi is quilty of premeditated murder I have no doubt about that but I think it happend in a way not what most people think.
Like I said you have to think outside the box a bit.

There is no way that is a photo shoot. I finally saw the raw photos which are flat and muddy at best. She was shooting in low light, nothing someone who knows anything about photography would do without somehow compensating. And then there's a half-hearted flash by the looks of it.

She probably told him she wanted to do a photo shoot (if, in fact, he was aware of the camera). And then she carelessly pointed and snapped, because great pictures were not really her goal. Which again, IMO, speaks to premeditation.
 
  • #127
I think the defense team is doing exactly what they should, but they're also doing extra things to help Jodi. I have noticed that when the defense asks Jodi a question where there are two choices, he raises his tone (like a normal question) for the wrong answer, and lowers his tone for the correct answer. Jodi doesn't always pick up on it ... but he is definitely trying to tell her which answer is the right one.

Otto while I agree with what you are saying Nurmi does, I believe that there are points where he can't control his client. She chooses to disregard Nurmi and/or correct him. Such is her defiance to prove it is the JA show and to remind Nurmi who is the boss.
 
  • #128
Minor4th gas can analysis.

Well she filled up in Pasadena and filled up the gas cans. Her car had a 12-13 gallon capacity.
From Pasadena to Desert Center, it's 171 miles and takes 5 gallons of gas in a 2008 Ford Focus. On cross-exam, Jodi says she was running low on gas and filled up approx 12 gallons - that's not possible, but she could have topped off.

From Desert Center, CA to Buckeye, AZ, it's 170 miles and takes 5 gallons of gas. She said she filled up again in Buckeye and conceded on cross that she was running low on gas, so another 12 gallons of gas in Buckeye - this is not possible, and I do not believe she would have stopped at a gas station this close to Travis' home.

From Buckeye, AZ to Mesa, AZ is 56 miles and takes 1.7 gallons of gas.
If you assume Desert Center and Buckeye are fabrications because we don't have receipts and the appearance is Jodi is trying to be a ghost on her way to Travis' -- from Pasadena to Mesa is 386 miles and would take 11 gallons of gas. Jodi could make it to Mesa without stopping for gas, and have about 1 gallon to spare.

From Mesa to Hoover Dam is 293 miles and takes 8.6 gallons of gas.

From Hoover Dam to Mesquite, AZ it's 114.5 miles and takes 3.5 gallons of gas. In Mesquite, AZ she purchased $46.11 worth of gasoline --at least 10 gallons. There is no receipt for this gas purchase, and Jodi has not testified about getting gas here - we see this only on the bank statement that Juan entered yesterday.

So from Mesa to Mesquite, AZ, via Hoover Dam, Jodi would have used a little over 12 gallons at a minimum. That is a little more gas than she could have had left over in her tank plus 2, 5-gallon cans. Either she did stop between Mesa and Pasadena, or she had 3 gas cans. If she did stop for gas between Pasadena and Mesa, however, she would not have had to use the gas in the extra cans, so they would have remained full -- and she could not have filled them in SLC, which we know she did. Ergo, she had to have had 3 gas cans.

From Mesquite, AZ to West Jordan, UT, it's 331 miles, and takes 10 gallons of gas

From West Jordan to SLC, it's 13 miles and takes .5 gallons of gas.

In SLC she purchased 20.25 gallons of gas (not counting the possible purchase for the 3rd gas can). Presumably she filled up her car and the two cans, since this is way more gas than her car can hold.

From SLC to Winnemuca, NV, it's 354 miles and takes 10.4 gallons of gas. She said she was almost on empty when she filled up her car in Winnemuca. She purchased 12 gallons of gas.

From Winnemuca, NV to Sparks, NV it's 163 miles and takes 4.8 gallons of gas. In Sparks, she bought 5 gallons of gas. So she would have a full tank of gas and an extra 10 gallons in the trunk.

From Sparks, NV to Yreka, CA , it's 255 miles and takes 7.7 gallons of gas

From Yreka, CA to Redding, CA, it's 98 miles and takes 3 gallons of gas. In Redding she purchased 9.47 gallons of gas, presumably filling the tank.

At the end of her trip, she should have also still had 10 gallons of gas in the extra cans if she did not go anywhere else.

CONCLUSION:

1. She could not have made it from Pasadena to Mesquite on a tank of gas and 2, 5-gallon cans.

2. She could make it to Mesquite, NV if she had three extra 5-gallon cans OR if she filled up in Buckeye.

3. If she got filled up in Buckeye, then she would not have needed to use the extra gas cans at any time before she filled up again in Mesquite. And after filling up in Mesquite, she had enough gas to get her to West Jordan and then to SLC, and she still would not have needed the extra cans. But in SLC she filled up the extra 5-gallon cans, so she had to have used them. That means she did not fill up in Buckeye.

4. Since she didn't fill up in Buckeye, she must have used the extra tanks -- but since she couldn't make it all the way to Mesquite with 2 extra cans, she had to have had 3 extra gas cans.

5. Unless she went somewhere else after Sparks, NV, she should have ended her trip with 2 full 5-gallon gas cans.
 
  • #129
Snipped by me:

I am positive they lurk here, and use WS as a 'dummy jury'. Thought the same with the CA case.

So Defence Team - if you are reading this - I am a typical juror, and let me tell you now, you don't stand a chance in h*ll of your client getting off with self defence. You may, if you are very lucky, get the DP dropped, but I don't think so. :jail:

And if the prosecution is reading: Kudos to Mr. Martinez, Det. Flores, and background team. :rocker:

Oh maybe this would help them:
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  • #130
OK. I didn't want to have to do this.

I have now hooked my left arm up to a home blood pressure monitoring system because every time she says "I did this to protect Travis' reputation"

I feel flush and the room starts to go gray.

vysokoe-arterialnoe-davlenie-mify-i-fakty-300.jpg

What about when she says 'to protect his ego?' How does that make you feeeel?
 
  • #131
OK. I didn't want to have to do this.

I have now hooked my left arm up to a home blood pressure monitoring system because every time she says "I did this to protect Travis' reputation"

I feel flush and the room starts to go gray.

vysokoe-arterialnoe-davlenie-mify-i-fakty-300.jpg

50 shades of gray?

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  • #132
i don't think the timeline allows for her to run downstairs and back up with the knife. IMO, she had to have it right there.

Agree. She had everything she needed when she walked into that bathroom. She had it all ready to go.
 
  • #133
Apologies for not knowing and/or if this has been discussed at length before, but is premeditation the sole tipping point for the DP? If for some reason, the jury does not believe premeditation, what can or will they do?

TIA. :)
 
  • #134
There is no way that is a photo shoot. I finally saw the raw photos which are flat and muddy at best. She was shooting in low light, nothing someone who knows anything about photography would do without somehow compensating. And then there's a half-hearted flash by the looks of it.

She probably told him she wanted to do a photo shoot. And then she carelessly pointed and snapped, because great pictures were not really her goal. Which again, IMO, speaks to premeditation.

Yes , just a ruse to get him at his most vulnerable and cornered. I don't think she left and came back either. She wasn't going to take a chance. He agreed because she was dressed and her stuff was in her car. If she did this she'd finally leave! The last pic looks like, "ok, are we done? Time for you to get on the damn road"

No way he didn't know she was there in his bathroom for over 11 minutes taking shower pics..
 
  • #135
BBM- Terrific observation SS.

Watching that again I couldn't help do a hefty eyeroll at the Cinnabon story. I don't believe a word of that. It sounded like she was on-the-spot penning a story you'd read in a soapy romance novel. Part and parcel of her complete disconnect with real life.

I feel the same way, Angelina. I think she made that up, maybe based on the other story about Travis making a friend's favorite cookie and finding/printing the recipe.

I think Jodi just stole that story and used it to show how kind Travis was to her. (How does that make him an abuser, is hard to see. I guess she is trying to play into that abuse DV dynamic of abuse/make up.)
 
  • #136
There is no way that is a photo shoot. I finally saw the raw photos which are flat and muddy at best. She was shooting in low light, nothing someone who knows anything about photography would do without somehow compensating. And then there's a half-hearted flash by the looks of it.

She probably told him she wanted to do a photo shoot (if, in fact, he was aware of the camera). And then she carelessly pointed and snapped, because great pictures were not really her goal. Which again, IMO, speaks to premeditation.

Where are the raw photos? Please!
 
  • #137
There is no way that is a photo shoot. I finally saw the raw photos which are flat and muddy at best. She was shooting in low light, nothing someone who knows anything about photography would do without somehow compensating. And then there's a half-hearted flash by the looks of it.

She probably told him she wanted to do a photo shoot. And then she carelessly pointed and snapped, because great pictures were not really her goal. Which again, IMO, speaks to premeditation.

And there's not really much time in between the photos, except for one place, I think. NOT the take one, delete, take another that she describes. I personally just didn't want to believe that TA would allow her back into his home, his bed. But it looks more and more like she managed to talk her way back into both...albeit with murder in her heart.

From a 'scorned female' perspective, I remember in college when I got dumped by the 'love of my life' (Mr.RightNow), and how I talked to my girlfriends about just onemoretime with him. I didn't want to leave things on a bad note, and I wanted to show him what he'd be missing (typical young love thing...). SO... Ms. StuckInTeenYears was probably doing exactly that.

But it was all about HER...she 'showed him', and then killed him. Last girl to love him. Done.

And I'll bet my paycheck, she EXPECTED people to say oh poor jodi, we know how much TA meant to you, poor Jodi.... UGH...
 
  • #138
Hey guys! I was looking through the end of the last thread and found this post of the pic of Travis looking straight at the camera and then the pic of only his torso right after. The screenshot of the two pics together does look like they could be part of the same pic. Great job getting them together! However, in the face pic, the shower door is closed because you can see the drops on it. In the torso pic, the door is open. I really think that torso pic is when she was coming at him. The face shot he saw what she had and was maybe told to sit; the next shot she was going toward him. Maybe that pic was accidental, too.

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  • #139
OK. I didn't want to have to do this.

I have now hooked my left arm up to a home blood pressure monitoring system because every time she says "I did this to protect Travis' reputation"

I feel flush and the room starts to go gray.

vysokoe-arterialnoe-davlenie-mify-i-fakty-300.jpg

For newbies, are old timers that are stupid. Like me. I just learned something. if you are really behind in the threads on Tap a talk on your smartphone, and post a response, it sends you many many post forward when you posted. And you can't find where you were.

just click on the posting that you just did, clicking on the name of the person that did the original post. And you will see be sent back to where you were!

This old dog is 10 years behind! not to be confused with the old bird on this thread that was born in 1912, it is shown on the Arizona State Seal sometimes, but says he is 48 years old!

Mister sir, have a great lunch at Red Lobster today, and hope you're feeling better!

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  • #140
I really hate these long recesses, as they serve to allow Jodi to think up more carp and work with her attorneys to make up convincing stories.
 
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