Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #80

[suspicious1]

How far does Matt live from DB?

 

[Rosebud1952]

When this trial is over and JA finally gets her wish, the DP, I hope the jurors speak out about her despicable attitude toward the prosecutor for the past few weeks. She has shown zero respect for enforcers of the law, the court system, and the justice system after committing one of the most heinous crimes on record. It speaks volumes about the real Jodi Arias. It is great insight as to her relationship with her family. She respects no one - substituting 'abuse' for discipline when referring to her parents. She must have been a monster of a child while growing up.
She has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she is unremorseful and unrepetent for the murder of Travis. I would go as far to say she is even satisfied that he is dead.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the jurors are experiencing signs of post-traumatic shock syndrome from witnessing the face of evil up close and personal day in and day out. I know I could not be in the same room with her for more than an hour - shes that scary! I need a xanex just thinking about her! If she ever gets out - JM needs to go into the witness protection program!

I agree. But I have said before, she reminds me of that movie "The Bad Seed." A cute little girl who everyone thought was so sweet, but would kill just because she couldn't get her way, and then go outside and play like nothing happened. If you see the movie, you will see what Jodi is like when she gets mad.

 

[Phoenician]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=853&month=6&year=2008&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

I checked here... I was wondering because she said when she came out of her fog it was still daylight.

Not sure this site is correct though.

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Actually, that's probably exactly right. This is my first year in Arizona. I was guessing. Sorry!!

 

[atthelake]

I saw the article that floated around last week or the week before I think? I'm pretty sure the consensus was that it was NOT the same Bobby...although the comments on the article are all about Jodi. I'm sure a Jodi WS veteran can confirm it.

Old timer here. The Bobby from the Jodi case alive. He was talked about earlier in the threads. He was trying to do a book deal also!
The 1 you are looking at was misleading for many people.

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[neesaki]

Why does everyone think that the shower pictures are a photo shoot that Jodi said she was doing because Travis asked her to.
She has consistantly lied about everything and yet people seem to think because she said she was taking pictures of Travis because he wanted to compare his body to see how his body was shaping up from exercise is what really happend.

Why wouldnt Travis just had her take pictures of him in shorts or something if this was the case?
That is just an excuse for why she was in the bathroom with him at all.
I do not think he knew she was there with him at all period.
She was taking pictures without a flash and the shower noise would block out any camera sound so he didn't know she was there.

I believe Travis had seen her leave his house and thought he was done with her.
He went to have a shower and while in there she came back.
Silently she came up the stairs armed with the gun and the knife.
She could have laid elther weapon on the counter without him knowing it.
Most of the pics show him with his face into the shower stream with his eyes closed.
She may have opened the shower door and stabbed him with the camera still in her hand.
That is when the surprised look picture was taken as she pulled the door open.

She had to tell the police why she was in the bathroom with him-she couldn't say because I came back to kill him could she.
Im sure if Travis knew she was still in his house he wouldn't have been relaxed enough to go take a shower but if he thought she was on her way home he would.
I think people have to think out of the box a little.
Just because Jodi says something dosen't mean it is true does it.
The whole Travis was posing for the shower photo shoot is total bs.
Jodi had over a month to think of excuses before she was arrested.
You also have to remember she wouldn't know how long it would take for someone to find his body.
It could have been found within a few hrs for all she knew.
People have a habit of following a belief or theory from someone else and don't think of any other way things might have happend.
Jodi is quilty of premeditated murder I have no doubt about that but I think it happend in a way not what most people think.
Like I said you have to think outside the box a bit.

Thank you for your post. I have always believed it happened much as you say. No doubt, she is lying about the "photo shoot". JA was not supposed to be there. It's obvious to me that Travis was shocked at seeing her suddenly appear while he was showering. He had no knowledge she was photographing him until we see the very surprised reaction on his face. Then, there was the realization of what she was doing. And after that, she used the gun to orchestrate everything.

JA, The Stalker from Hell. Only this time she had more in mind.

The more I think about this, the more I realize how much premeditation was involved with what JA did. For her to be able to plan this to the point of being able to overpower a strong young man like Travis, and be able to inflict the damage to the extent that she did to him. It's really quite unbelievable to me. I mean, if I believed in supernatural powers, I would have no doubt that was what was involved here.

What I do have no doubt about, is that JA obsessed over this for weeks before she did it. That she most likely went over the details of it in her mind every night before she went to sleep. And, that she had built up a tremendous reserve of hatred and rage that enabled her to complete her evil act. I personally have not been a proponent of the death penalty. This is one of the few times that I would have no problem in seeing it applied.

 

[Rosebud1952]

oooh, you are,of course, right! Good catch ..and belongs on the JA de-edified.contradicted/baloney thread we need ..just sayin

I think her car was about to be repossessed, which is probably why she had to keep on changing cars with Travis. She had to keep one step ahead of the repo man. (My son was once driving this really nice car and I said, Did you get a new car? So he told me that someone he knew was behind on their car payments and the car was about to be repossessed, so they traded cars and that way the repo man couldn't find it.)

 

[gngr~snap]

I think someone wrote that she might have brought the stolen DVD player to Daryll, the one that was stolen from her grandparents and forgot to give him the remote.

And he probably gave her a few dollars for it.

He would be stupid taking a dvd from her! He wouldn't know it was stolen I guess... She got gas cans from him (I guess) but that is not why she went there. I don't even think it was $ I mean he could send that Western Union....
I guess there would be a paper trail there...

Why would JA take her grandpa's stolen dvd to DB?
What is up with "the remote" ?

Ok ya need a remote... but for a few bucks a new one a universal remote can be purchased.

She probably spent more in using gas to go to DB's than 2 cans would have cost.

There is some other reason....
She had that man by the balls but how? Why?
Well Matt M too.


"remote" never stated remote to what...


Sorry this is a bug in my craw !!!!
oh well.

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[ElleElle]

I saw ME (Dr. Horn?) testify. Though I respect his experience and medical background there is some doubt in my mind and I don't know why.

Listen to the ME's testimony (Day 3 I believe) if you haven't already. The fact that the bullet passed through the frontal lobe confirms for me that he could not have defended himself and received the wounds to his hand had he been shot first.

 

[gngr~snap]

Actually, that's probably exactly right. This is my first year in Arizona. I was guessing. Sorry!!

I was just curious. In Atlanta it is around 8:45pm.
With AZ not observing daylight savings time I wondered how that would affect sunset times...

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[neesaki]

I agree with this. There should be a thread listing the few parts of Jodi's story that we know are not lies.

I don't think the shower photos show off Travis new "physique," which was the supposed intent. The story sounds fishy. What's interesting tho is that Flore's report refers to the shower pictures as Travis "clearly posing for the camera."

That really bothers me that he would state that in his report in that manner. I personally don't think Travis was posing for the camera at all. Not until he was forced to do so.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Thank you for your post. I have always believed it happened much as you say. No doubt, she is lying about the "photo shoot". JA was not supposed to be there. It's obvious to me that Travis was shocked at seeing her suddenly appear while he was showering. He had no knowledge she was photographing him until we see the very surprised reaction on his face. Then, there was the realization of what she was doing. And after that, she used the gun to orchestrate everything.

JA, The Stalker from Hell. Only this time she had more in mind.

The more I think about this, the more I realize how much premeditation was involved with what JA did. For her to be able to plan this to the point of being able to overpower a strong young man like Travis, and be able to inflict the damage to the extent that she did to him. It's really quite unbelievable to me. I mean, if I believed in supernatural powers, I would have no doubt that was what was involved here.

What I do have no doubt about, is that JA obsessed over this for weeks before she did it. That she most likely went over the details of it in her mind every night before she went to sleep. And, that she had built up a tremendous reserve of hatred and rage that enabled her to complete her evil act. I personally have not been a proponent of the death penalty. This is one of the few times that I would have no problem in seeing it applied.

I have to wonder if some of the abuse accusations she has made about Travis aren't all part and parcel of the murder. Did Travis kick her in the ribs in the bathroom as he tried to defend himself from the knife attacks thus explaining her broken finger and the cuts and scrapes to his feet and lower legs? The reason I say this is even the worst of liars weave some truth into their stories so they can reflect back to known events, but change the setting or misplace the blame.

Many of her stories I could easily see as happening during her attack on him. I also think there may be some truth in what she told Det. Flores in her ninja story, narrowing that down to what is fact and what is fiction and tossing out all the fodder she added is a bit too challenging for this time of night.

 

[neesaki]

I showed the last pic of Travis sitting in the shower to someone yesterday who knew nothing about this case and she gasped and said "he's terrified...did she have a gun on him here?". Thought that was interesting from someone who just barely had heard the basics of the case.

Thank you. Your friend has good instincts, imo.

 

[LizardQueen74]

I have no idea and read the article 3 times now as I was laughing so hard the first time I could barely see. Now she is scared of the church and is admitting to the murder for fear of her families lives. Must be full moon in Jodiland

This is ALLLLMOST as good as the theory that was proposed by the Michael Peterson people. (If you haven't seen The Staircase - YOU MUST!) In summary, he was convicted of killing his wife - attacked/thrown down the stairs. Apparently someone found a feather...? So, the awesome new theory was...an OWL attacked her and caused her to fall to her death when she ran inside and tried to go up the stairs. :laughcry:

 

[AngelWings444]

The jury asked her...and her response was just unbelievable. Something to the effect of: I don't normally lie. I'm not saying I've never lied, but I don't normally lie. I only did in order to protect Travis' reputation and my involvement in this incident. :waitasec:

Nurmi also asked her and it was something similar. :waitasec:

Oh, so you only lie about the stuff that we're supposed to judge you on? Oh. Ok. :jail:

The jury did ask her, BUT Nurmi asked her too..right before Mr. Martinez got his turn at her, after the jury questions.

Trial Day # 29 Part 3 - start at 16:09 It's a must see! It's the last question from Nurmi, to try to save her life and she failed, big time. Here is the link.

At about 17:00, JA talks about protecting Travis's Ego.

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 29 - Part 3 - YouTube

 

[gngr~snap]

That really bothers me that he would state that in his report in that manner. I personally don't think Travis was posing for the camera at all. Not until he was forced to do so.

In her jailhouse "interview" with Flores...
he told her He had shower pics of TA. Jodi told him right then and there Travis would never allow that.

I BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE...
the rest came after she realized she hadn't destroyed the camera. MOO

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[MeeBee]

Those damn Mormon Ninjas in Black. Notice how she's always "protecting her family" with her lies. She always brings them into her stories but doesn't seem to care for them very much...

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

The jury asked her...and her response was just unbelievable. Something to the effect of: I don't normally lie. I'm not saying I've never lied, but I don't normally lie. I only did in order to protect Travis' reputation and my involvement in this incident. :waitasec:

Nurmi also asked her and it was something similar. :waitasec:

Oh, so you only lie about the stuff that we're supposed to judge you on? Oh. Ok. :jail:

BBM: I don't normally lie. I'm not saying I've never lied, but I don't normally lie. I only did in order to protect Travis' ego, I mean reputation and my involvement in this incident.

We can't leave out her Freudian slip

 

[neesaki]

I am seriously thinking that if it is possible at this point someone should ask for a psych evaluation. I know they did it in the CA trial, but I don't know if it is possible in this trail at this point. I think even the jurors are beginning to wonder if she is not crazy. Thus the question have you sought help for your mental condition.

I don't think she is legally crazy, because she definitley knows right from wrong, but she is absolutely suffering from some mental conditions. jmo

I agree that evil psychopathy is a mental condition. But it's not one that prevents her from knowing right from wrong, such as in delusional schizophrenia for example. She not only knew exactly what she was doing at the time, she also went to a great extent to plan it beforehand. jmo

 

[Rosebud1952]

Well, if the jurors haven't already asked in their next batch of questions, maybe JM will attempt to clarify?

Are the juror's allowed to review court transcripts? Does someone know? Certainly with a pathological liar like this one, they should be able to review her testimony. We're even having trouble keeping track here and we have the luxury of time and leisure...

When they are deliberating, they can have any portion of the testimony read back to them by the court reporter.

 

[LizardQueen74]

BBM: I don't normally lie. I'm not saying I've never lied, but I don't normally lie. I only did in order to protect Travis' ego, I mean reputation and my involvement in this incident.

We can't leave out her Freudian slip

The slip was when NURMI asked her. She tried to repeat herself, but it was an EPIC FAIL.

4.5 years in planning and waiting for this case - one of the VERY first things they thought about and rehearsed was the very question "Why should we believe you now?" That question could've been seen from a million miles away and...THAT was their best answer? Pathetic. :jail: