Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #81

[oceanblueeyes]

I've been wondering if Nurmi & Wilmott have some way of "trying out" their case on somebody before the trial starts. Do attorneys do that kind of thing? Obviously, they are stuck with working with what they have and with what Jodi tells them, but their stragety just seems ridiculous to me. Did they really think the prosecution wasn't going to poke any holes in Jodi's story?

I've seen an awful lot of trials recently where the defense came up with a really lame explanation for their client's behavior (the George Huguely trial stands out). It just seems to make their client look worse. I really wonder sometimes why they do it. :waitasec:

While I have to admit I do not like the DT in this case and I have like DTs in other cases... I dont think this DT had a choice.

The Director of this entire fiasco is Jodi Arias totally. Imo, she listens to no one. She is the master of the ship even if the ship is going to sink faster than the Titanic.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, there is an element of that! Not suggesting he's as nuts as she is, but he seems seriously out of touch.

May be a tad narcissistic himself.

imo

 

[Ricki]

I've been wondering if Nurmi & Wilmott have some way of "trying out" their case on somebody before the trial starts. Do attorneys do that kind of thing? Obviously, they are stuck with working with what they have and with what Jodi tells them, but their stragety just seems ridiculous to me. Did they really think the prosecution wasn't going to poke any holes in Jodi's story?

I've seen an awful lot of trials recently where the defense came up with a really lame explanation for their client's behavior (the George Huguely trial stands out). It just seems to make their client look worse. I really wonder sometimes why they do it. :waitasec:

Regarding mock Juries. I believe Jose did this with Casey Anthony.
http://www.resolutionresearch.com/recruitment-mock-jury.html

Benefits of a mock trial include the ability to:

Identify effectual and ineffectual arguments & presentations from both sides;
Help counsel understand how jurors are likely to reach a verdict;
Evaluate potential liability and damage issues;
Test key jury decisions based upon any element desired including evidence, exhibits & props, testimony, claims, and so forth;
Illuminate areas of your case needing improvement.

 

[bsk]

Regarding the license plates ...

I don't think the front plate was ever off the car and I think the back plate was flipped upside-down AFTER the Hoover Dam checkpoint as to encourage a traffic stop in Nevada/Utah to bolster her story. She would not have manipulated license plates in Arizona and risk being caught and exposed.

I wish JM would have asked her WHEN she put the front plate back on the car (after the fake Starbucks incident). Arias probably would have lied and said something like "when I stopped for gas at Desert Center". Then JM could have nailed her and asked WHERE she got the screws to reattach the plate.

Apologies if someone else mentioned this in the meantime, but one explanation I saw for removing the front plate was that AZ doesn't have front plates. One of Travis roommates apparently had a white car, as there is one inside the tape in the crime scene photo showing the outside of his house. Mimi may have had a white car as well - not sure about that.

To get back to where I started, if she took the front plate off and backed it in at Travis's, it probably wouldn't have caught the eye of any neighbor who happened to be strolling by.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She threw in the physical and emotional abuse, pedophilia, unconsensual sex (rape), Mormon sins to make the jury hate Travis and to elevate herself.
Nurmi asked JA if she still loves Travis to this day. Juan should of asked her if she still hates Travis to this day because that is what is obvious to me.

There's no evidence of her accusations.

Good luck with the domestic violence expert. Nurmi will ask LaViolette how somebody would feel being called "a , a , and a three hole wonder" and how one goes on to develop a shaking chee-wha-wha disorder. Nurmi is going to regurgitate all the carp about the yelling, shaking, stroking the abusers ego...the cycle of abuse...blah blah blah. Juan will then come along and make quick work of this witness.

Juan should ask LaViolette what it means when someone says they feel like a dildo with a heartbeat. He can ask her so much using Travis as an example showing he was a victim of abuse by Arias.

He is going to make the experts his witnesses just like he has with every single defense witness so far.

IMO

 

[Softail]

I've been wondering if Nurmi & Wilmott have some way of "trying out" their case on somebody before the trial starts. Do attorneys do that kind of thing? Obviously, they are stuck with working with what they have and with what Jodi tells them, but their stragety just seems ridiculous to me. Did they really think the prosecution wasn't going to poke any holes in Jodi's story?

I've seen an awful lot of trials recently where the defense came up with a really lame explanation for their client's behavior (the George Huguely trial stands out). It just seems to make their client look worse. I really wonder sometimes why they do it. :waitasec:

They can do a "mock" jury. I know that there was one done in the Peterson case.

 

[Kaddy Wonders]

Oceanblueeyes says"The Director of this entire fiasco is Jodi Arias totally. Imo, she listens to no one. She is the master of the ship even if the ship is going to sink faster than the Titanic."
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Shades of Diane Downs??

 

[bsk]

You wouldn't believe the rest of it! The first day she appeared in the courtroom the camera focussed on her for quite a while....couldn't believe my eyes! She was also quite animated - posing for the camera. My guess is she is a relative or friend of JA.

I only saw her there a couple of days, but it could be that the camera didn't happen to catch her. If she's a regular, here are a couple of possible nicknames for KCL and PASA to use:
- JSG: Jersey Shore Girl
- CC: Chiclets Chick

 

[kayice]

Years ago we were told if there is no court then we had to return to work. I would guess many of those jurors put in a full day on Fridays. jmo

years ago, companies would make up the difference between the small amount earned from jury duty and your work pay. I doubt they do this anymore either, maybe some companies still honor this...good for them.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

JA turned this into a circus the day she took the stand. Even defense attorneys are saying it's absurd for her to have been on the stand this long. JM is seeking justice for Travis and has to play JA's game to get the job done. Would you rather he sit at his table like an imbecile and allow her and KN to run said circus?

As far as being overcharged.... I don't see that at all. If this woman doesn't deserve murder one, then just abolish the whole thing.

ITA!

This case is absolutely NOT overcharged. The state would be remiss in its duties if they did not seek the death penalty in this case. Juan/DA will never give Arias a pass just because she is a female cold blooded murderer.

They have made the right decision. If this had been a male doing the same crime it would be a death penalty case and rightly so. I am proud that they weighed the heinousness of the crime and disregarded the gender of the defendant.

That is the way it should be done in every case across our country but sadly in the justice system it fails miserably when it comes to treating female defendants equal to male defendants who do the same type of horrid premeditated murders.

No one else is going to be to blame if Arias gets the death penalty but Arias herself. And I think she is closer than ever before to walking the green mile one day. She deserves no less than Death, imo.

IMO

 

[KMouse]

It really is...her sociopathic rage must have been fueling her adrenaline. She left Ryan's at like 3am..that's when she filled up the THREE gas cans that Juan busted her on last Thursday. :great:

That alone has such a creep factor for me. I can't imagine setting out on such a long road trip at that time of morning. Mind you I can't imagine or relate to anything she has done. She sure went on very little sleep so many times when she was driving to confront people or murder them.

 

[forb8182]

I wondered that, too. But wouldn't it be dry by then?

I remember one of the friends who discovered him in shower say in an interview that once they saw the blood they went toward the bathroom via the closet and saw him in the shower then ran out.

 

[G&AMom]

Regarding mock Juries. I believe Jose did this with Casey Anthony.
http://www.resolutionresearch.com/recruitment-mock-jury.html

Benefits of a mock trial include the ability to:

Identify effectual and ineffectual arguments & presentations from both sides;
Help counsel understand how jurors are likely to reach a verdict;
Evaluate potential liability and damage issues;
Test key jury decisions based upon any element desired including evidence, exhibits & props, testimony, claims, and so forth;
Illuminate areas of your case needing improvement.

Thanks! That's exactly what I was thinking about. I've heard of mock trials but usually it's like going back and trying John Wilkes Booth or something.

I have to think that either Nurmi didn't do this, or the mock jurors were all his friends. :floorlaugh:

 

[camcneishg]

you know what....this extra mileage on the car has been bugging me....wonder if she got out in the desert when she destroyed her evidence and saw that she didn't take the camera, so she turned around and went back for it? Then couldn't find it because it had been thrown in the washer by mistake.....thoughts?

 

[kayice]

I remember when OJ was on trial and some psychologist was explaining something early in the trial. He said Nicole had started to quit taking OJ's calls and such...and the loss of control, even though they were divorced and seen other people and all--it is all about control and power of that person. The abuser feels helpless and will react ...I think Jodi was the abuser in this case.
I wonder if Travis had started to cut down on phone calls, texts and emails to dear Jodi? She couldn't get him to give her credit in his book, take her to Cancun, marry her and he seemed to want her out of his life by his blog writings. He also called her as we see her, someone who scams, gold digging and possible sociopath.

 

[G&AMom]

Oceanblueeyes says"The Director of this entire fiasco is Jodi Arias totally. Imo, she listens to no one. She is the master of the ship even if the ship is going to sink faster than the Titanic."
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Shades of Diane Downs??

I see A LOT of Diane Downs in Jodi. Right down to the self-serving journal. She also had that "I can explain everything if you'll just listen to me for the next 5 hours." And then there's the ever evolving stories about who actually did the shooting. Very similar.

Did you read about the daughter that was adopted, the one Downs gave birth to in jail? When she contacted her mother as an adult, Downs was still claiming that some cabal of influential people were behind everything and were "keeping an eye" on the daughter. Crazy as hell. And this is 30 years down the road. I can just see Jodi coming out with new stuff forever.

 

[tinkabella]

I agree..Bravo. How DARE they go this far with this defense? It's way off the charts imo. They asked for all the indignance they are getting from Juan. And in some ways he's just begining. These juror question recrosses are just gonna get better. Then he has the rebuttal case. Be careful what you ask for...he's gonna answer it ALL.

What Travis needed was a Champion and he sure got one.

I don't understand how the critics think he should ONLY focus on the murder. He did all of that in his CIC and during his cross of Jodi. The murder has been at the forefront from day one. He needs to tackle Jodi's lies about Travis because that is a big part of the case. If anyone believes Jodi's stories of pedophilia and abuse she will be found not guilty. The ones complaining and saying these things must not be watching the trial or in a fog. He is debunking all of her lies and restoring Travis' reputation that is being dragged in the mud by a defendant that only wants to save herself and not be convicted of a crime. She's been doing this since june 4th, pretending she's not responsible and making up stories to benefit herself. If they can't see this maybe they should go and get a pair of Jodi's prop eye glasses.

 

[LambChop]

That alone has such a creep factor for me. I can't imagine setting out on such a long road trip at that time of morning. Mind you I can't imagine or relate to anything she has done. She sure went on very little sleep so many times when she was driving to confront people or murder them.

One word: Starbucks. All that caffeine. Next we will hear she is not responsible because she was high on caffeine which caused her "fog". jmo

 

[G&AMom]

years ago, companies would make up the difference between the small amount earned from jury duty and your work pay. I doubt they do this anymore either, maybe some companies still honor this...good for them.

My son served on a grand jury a couple of years ago, one day a week for 3 months. His employer, a car dealership, definitely did not pay him. I think the county paid him $15 a day, something like that. Fortunately, he was able to work on Saturdays so he didn't take too much of a financial hit. But it made for a very long 3 months.

 

[tinkabella]

Juan should ask LaViolette what it means when someone says they feel like a dildo with a heartbeat. He can ask her so much using Travis as an example showing he was a victim of abuse by Arias.

He is going to make the experts his witnesses just like he has with every single defense witness so far.

IMO

he should also ask her when the defendant is a prolific liar, how do you assess whether or not the story you're told is the truth? The expert has nothing to go on but jodi's word and how much is that worth? nothing.