Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #81

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I guess I am the only one that likes WalMart!! Ha!!

:floorlaugh: I LIKE it! I just have to psych myself up emotionally to go, especially on the weekends! It's HOPPING!

And I live in a Yreka-like area. You'd better have your make-up on and look as good as possible. You're sure to see SOMEBODY you know and sometimes you can't turn your wobbly buggy away fast enough if it's someone you want to avoid! :blushing:
 
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What mitigating factors remain for this jury to consider? Jodi's obviously not mentally deficient. No childhood abuse of note. She was 28 at the time, so not a "youth". She's not only shown no remorse for killing Travis, but she's added to her original offense and his family's pain via vile, false accusations of pedophilia. Other than claims she's been a model prisoner, what mitigating factor/s will the defense cite that even one juror will believe?

i can't think of any but it will be interesting to see what they come up with.
 
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I think the last hook she had in him was the money for the car.
Once she got the door open on that she used sex.

That's a very good point. Perhaps that's one of the things she told him she was coming for. The original poster's question was why he would have sex with her after that really angry email on 5/26. I don't think he would agree to see her, or let her in unannounced, if she didn't come up with a (fake) apology. He could tell her to leave the check in the mailbox.
 
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Good afternoon, good peeps. I hope that everyone had a nice weekend. I'm kind of glad that there isn't courtroom action in the JA trial today because I am following local (Detroit) breaking news in a major Federal case. Enjoy your day :great:

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Detroit seems like it's going through the hardest of the hard times. My husband was born & grew up there (went to Cass Tech HS). I always enjoyed visiting Michigan.

I added the judge and jurors answers to the reporters questions.

ANYONE who has questions about how a jury thinks about what someone is wearing, the defendant's family, peaking at social media, etc .. I encourage you to go over and read what the jury in Kilpatrick's 6 month trial had to say.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9021441&posted=1#post9021441
 
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IMO, JM treatment of Jodi. He is treating her like the "killer headed to death row" that she is. He needs to show the jury that she is not worthy of respectful gentle treatment. He has to call her out on her lies and destroy her "poor abused me" posture. He is doing great.

I know, right?! How strange it would be if JM treated her well (especially with her being arrogant and smug on the stand) ignoring her lies and behaviour! It's like JM saying "I treat JA well in spite of the murder and lies but please dear jury convict and send her to death row!"
 
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:floorlaugh: I LIKE it! I just have to psych myself up emotionally to go, especially on the weekends! It's HOPPING!

And I live in a Yreka-like area. You'd better have your make-up on and look as good as possible. You're sure to see SOMEBODY you know and sometimes you can't turn your wobbly buggy away fast enough if it's someone you want to avoid! :blushing:

I am in AL too. Sounds like we live in the same place.
 
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Mr. Arias seems to be a shell of what he used to be.
 

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if she'd asked darryl for ONE gas can, we may not even be talking about it. but she gets 2. then she buys a third. the more gas cans she had, the worse it sounds, IMO.

who the hell drives on a trip with a full tank of gas in reserve in 3 gas cans? nobody, that's who. you will never be in such a remote location that you need that much gas to get to a station where you can fill up.

so i think she's denying it because 2 was bad, and 3 is ridiculous, and they know it. it's a desperate attempt to take premeditation out of the equation but it's failed miserably.

Agreed, I'm with you, I was at premed with 2 gas cans. 3? There are no words.
 
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Why would she do so much to have no trace of her in Arizona but then tell Travis about going to see him? Strangers on the road wouldn't remember her but having Travis' roommates and friends know about her presence in his home would mean she did all the gas can/hair dye stuff for nothing at all.

Her cell phone records showed she called him several times, and one of their conversations was over a half-hour long, so not just leaving a voice mail message. She might have made these phone calls while still in California. She figured he wouldn't tell his roommates, who would be sure to ask him why he would do something so idiotic, and in fact he DIDN't tell them. But whether she called him ahead of time or not, I just can't see him letting her in the front door unless she gave him a really good reason to do so. I think an apology fits the bill.
 
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And we haven't heard from MM yet, wonder if contributed to the can collection?? Lawdy, we'll have her at 15 cans in tow, all full, 1 receipt per can, by Wed which doesn't appear to be coming fast enough!
 
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A lot of us here are convinced JA is guilty (heard it out of her own mouth) well....any how as avid trial watchers when was the last trial you felt the defendant was NOT GUILTY or were persuaded they were Guilty after watching the trial.

Last time I was not sure was David Westerfield in VanDam case. I was convinced by the evidence at trial at the beginning I was not sure.

As an avid trial watcher I am astounded at the rate of conviction based on mere circumstantial evidence. I am referring of course to the more “glamorous” white middle class homicides that manage to get media attention. I realize that this subset of cases is NOT a random sample and hence one cannot deduce much of anything.

BUT it seems to me jurors often use “compelling common sense” when deliberating and view the circumstances as critical to the disposition of the homicide cases in question. Many cases hinge on just one small factor – a false alibi, a bogus 911 call, a staged crime scene etc. I suspect that a jury could find JA guilty just based on the gas cans alone.

Obviously defense lawyers think they can reduce all evidence presented by the state to a status of “suspect” or at least doubtful. The reasonable doubt criterium is a difficult concept to fully delineate. Lawyers like Jose Baez managed to bastardize the concept by claiming that if a contention – any prosecution “contention” can be countered by an alternative explanation whatever the explanation then “reasonable doubt” must be invoked. Defense lawyers will frequently purchase “contrary expert” testimony for the sole purpose of invoking “reasonable doubt”.

Happily the jury fact finders typically arrive at the correct conclusion despite the theater and obfuscation.
 
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Did Jodi really say her father at one time, could bench press 525 pounds in court? My ex and son are big men and don't believe they could do that. Just curious since this is where I started watching this trial and thought, what?!
 
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:floorlaugh: I LIKE it! I just have to psych myself up emotionally to go, especially on the weekends! It's HOPPING!

And I live in a Yreka-like area. You'd better have your make-up on and look as good as possible. You're sure to see SOMEBODY you know and sometimes you can't turn your wobbly buggy away fast enough if it's someone you want to avoid! :blushing:

See, this is the advantage of living in a large city. The nearest Walmart is more than 20 miles away. I've never set foot in one. Have to make do with Target. :floorlaugh:
 
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Hi all! Sure wish there was trial today!
I showed my hubby the shower pics. He said he thought Travis had to know she was there because with a glass door, how could someone go for over 5 minutes without knowing someone else was there. He said, "there's no way you wouldn't know I was right there for that long". He said it looked like she said something to him that made him turn around in surprise at 5:27:18. Not sure I agree with him, but thought I'd pass it on. :)

Now I have a question. Can you tell what is in the pic at 5:28:54????

I know we aren't allowed to post the pics here, but hopefully this link of them is ok.
http://thepotpapers.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/collage_zps00e64932.jpg
 
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As an avid trial watcher I am astounded at the rate of conviction based on mere circumstantial evidence. I am referring of course to the more “glamorous” white middle class homicides that manage to get media attention. I realize that this subset of cases is NOT a random sample and hence one cannot deduce much of anything.

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Almost all cases are circumstancial. Not many cases have a direct confession or an eyewitness as direct evidence. So by that alone you will have a high amount of guilty verdicts on circumstancial evidence.

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Actually I'm disappointed in most everyone associated with this trial. Add to that, IMO, JA is overcharged.

Really? What do you think a more appropriate charge would be? Also, what do you think is missing (so far) that makes you believe she has been overcharged?

IMO, this is the only appropriate charge because beyond any reasonable story, the amount of premeditation evidence is clear to me. She had 3 (I believe mathematically that is the most logical and she had no return receipt despite having her other receipt). She claims she did get gas in Arizona, but didn't keep the receipt because it wasn't something she would claim on her taxes; even if this were true, which is highly suspect to me, it is interesting she would have had to use cash instead of her card which she used in Utah, removing her paper trail. She is only claiming to getting gas in Arizona now because with only 2 gas cans as she claims, she would have needed to get gas at some point. Her phone coincidentally turns off during this period of Arizona so her phone isn't picked up on cell towers, another way to not get found. TA's room mates never reported any car in the driveway or garage, so where would JA have parked? Why would she have parked anywhere but the driveway or garage unless she didn't want anyone to notice? Yeah we didn't find detailed drawn plans for how she was going to attack him or whatever but sufficient circumstantial is there to me.
And then there is the gun. It may not have been spelled out super clear to the jury at this point, but again, what are the chances that May 26 he sends her scathing texts basically calling her out as an evil sociopath who only cares about herself, worst thing that ever happened to him and to leave him alone and 2 days later her grandparent's gun, at the house she lived in with the grandparent's, was stolen and a DVD player and $30 of Arias'... that just does not sound like a normal robbery. There were other valuable items and guns but only 1 gun was taken. At TA's house there was 0 evidence he ever owned a gun, no bullets, no holster, no cleaning kit; his gun aficionado friend said TA's would have told him if he had a gun, it wasn't registered and TA seemed like he would register a gun he owned (law abiding, had an image to protect that an illegally owned gun would not jive with) It just makes no sense and is another fable created by the defendant.
It is very important for JA's goal of not getting 1st degree murder that the gun have been TA's and in the closet and the knife had been TA's and in the bathroom/bedroom. The stories she has told surrounding these 2 to try and fit in her defense are laughably fictitious, IMO. We all saw how thin that 1-2 inch piece of "rope" found in the bathroom was. What sane person would use a large, super sharp knife to cut that instead of scissors or maybe a pocket knife? The knife TA must have chosen (based on JA's story) was sharp enough to impale him through so much cartilage, muscle and organs. And it was long too, I believe it was estimated the blade was 5" IIRC. Why would TA use such a large and dangerous knife to cut this soft, thin "rope"?
And, in conclusion and I know it isn't of sound jury-worth decision making so it is my own biased judgments coming in, but any case that a defendant must lie and dance their way through (before trial, and during) means to me they are full of ***** and guilty as hell. I know after the CA trial that is obviously not how juries work and I understand it should about evidence but I am sick of murderers concocting lie after lie after lie until they finally found one that, with incredible amounts of embellishment/coincidences/implausibilities, almost fits into the evidence at hand.
MOO, interested in yours :peace:
 
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Her cell phone records showed she called him several times, and one of their conversations was over a half-hour long, so not just leaving a voice mail message. She might have made these phone calls while still in California. She figured he wouldn't tell his roommates, who would be sure to ask him why he would do something so idiotic, and in fact he DIDN't tell them. But whether she called him ahead of time or not, I just can't see him letting her in the front door unless she gave him a really good reason to do so. I think an apology fits the bill.

Oh I think she called and used the 'apology' excuse to talk to him several times. I think she wanted to make sure he'd be at home etc. I think she used the 'I thought I might as well stop by on my road trip and return the money I borrowed from you.' to stay for a few hours/half a day.

She drives me crazy! :banghead:
 
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Did Jodi really say her father at one time, could bench press 525 pounds in court? My ex and son are big men and don't believe they could do that. Just curious since this is where I started watching this trial and thought, what?!

I just found the above picture of Mr. Arias and by judging his build in the picture he appears to be a powerful looking man so I would say it was possible for him to bench that level of weight.
 
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