Interviews 10/17/2011 All interviews #2

[Wise Old Owl]

I think if this was some wealthy benefactor from the family the media wouldve already dug them out. MOO

End of last week Megyn Kelly said on camera that she knew who this "benefactor" was - that is was a woman/mom - and that she (Megyn) had spoken to this woman on the phone.

So, take that as you will. I watched her say this. So, this "benefactor" is known to some in the media circle and they are staying mum.

 

[Aedrys]

Listening to the interviews a second time, I was drawn to DB's statement that she has "adult time" 3-4 times a week.

She might not think that's a drinking problem, but I'm not at all sure I would agree with her. Especially if she is also taking anti-anxiety medication.

I don't agree with her either. It could be that she's comparing herself to other people that she knows who drink more than she does, and so in her mind, she's not that bad. But three to four times a week having adult time, and where are these kids? Who is taking care of them while mommy is having adult time? And if she wants adult time so much then why have so many kids? She doesn't seem to have a whole lot of common sense.

I'm trying so hard. I'm trying not to let other cases overinfluence me. All I have is my gut. I don't like this mother. I'm surprised her boys haven't been taken from her after a revelation like that. Good Lord. I do wonder what happened to this poor baby, and it's looking more and more like something happened while mommy was passed out drunk. I know that not liking someone doesn't equate to them being guilty, but my heart is just sinking in this case.

God, I just had a horrible thought...maybe she wanted her adult time so much that she got angry that Lisa was getting in the way of it...maybe she killed this child in a drunken rage...

Where are you, Lisa? I just want this poor baby found...

 

[frankie069]

See, loveandhugs, I have no problem believing this sort of drinking was a common occurrence in the Irwin household. DB is reportedly the child of an alcoholic mother, and I suspect that's why she is so casual about drinking while in sole charge of her kids: because that's how she was raised.

As for Jeremy, he may be a drinker as well, or may not have realized just how much Deborah was drinking when he wasn't around.

Either way, I'm troubled by the fact that her story is changing this late in the game, and by her defensiveness.



frankie, if DB was drinking that much on a regular basis, chances are she's developed a tolerance that might cause her to appear sober to the casual observer. However, I'd be very surprised if LE didn't at least SMELL alcohol on her, and that's one of the reasons they began to take a hard look at her.

But drinking on a regular basis and "blacking out" are 2 different things. When i was younger I had a drinking problem, I also have blacked out before, even now as I am older, I have blacked out (and no I dont have a drinking problem anymore, that was when I was a teenager). There is a difference. I would like to believe that if LE found her to be drunk when they went to the house or even smelled alcohol on her, they could have arrested her for endangering the welfare of a child. She did have 2 other kids home with her while in that state as well. I cant see LE letting that go in this case or in any case for that matter.

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but has anyone thought that maybe something happened earlier in the day, even before JI went to work?

Maybe buying the wine, baby wipes, etc. was staged and DB knew she would be on the surveillance video?

This is all JMO, but JI seems very odd, like he knows what happened. This reminds me very much of Ron Cummings where he had to make sure he was seen at work on the night in question. He looks down a lot when he speaks. Not a good thing when your baby is missing. Looks like guilt to me.

I always like to give the parents the benefit of the doubt, but now the story is changing. DB put Lisa to bed at 6:40pm instead of 10:30? In the interview yesterday, I noticed that DB didn't always look the interviewer in the eye. She would look away and close her eyes sometimes when she answered. To me, this indicates deception.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see them going on tv begging for Lisa's return or even hanging up posters or anything. Instead, she's on tv making excuses for herself.

All is JMO.

ITA WG. Changing stories, changing timelines, no pleading for their baby's return. All I've seen them do is hire lawyers; a psychologist/psychiatrist; an investigator not licensed in that state; claiming LE wrongfully accused them and the mother making excuses. What is wrong with this picture? People who are being truthful do not find it necessary to embellish their "stories" and instead, tell the complete truth from the beginning. MOO.

 

[luckyme]

But drinking on a regular basis and "blacking out" are 2 different things. When i was younger I had a drinking problem, I also have blacked out before, even now as I am older, I have blacked out (and no I dont have a drinking problem anymore, that was when I was a teenager). There is a difference. I would like to believe that if LE found her to be drunk when they went to the house or even smelled alcohol on her, they could have arrested her for endangering the welfare of a child. She did have 2 other kids home with her while in that state as well. I cant see LE letting that go in this case or in any case for that matter.

And Joe keeps mentioning that LE didnt take a blood test. moo

 

[Aedrys]

This Fox interview with Megan Kelly really brought out some things about DB, IMO. One thing, DB seems to be trying to sell "I was drunk"; Another thing, she seems almost indignant, defiant even, that anyone would want to deprive her of her "adult" time. I'm getting a really bad feeling about this now, JMO.

BBM. That is exactly what I'm afraid of...a sick baby would definitely take away from her precious adult time...

 

[Aedrys]

And Joe keeps mentioning that LE didnt take a blood test. moo

Wouldn't they at least have done a breathalyzer? Maybe that's all they needed. I'm not convinced that they absolutely needed to do a blood test. I could be wrong, though. I keep seeing this harped on as them being inept, but is it really? They were there for a missing child. It's not like she was driving a car under the influence. I really want to know why it's so important that a blood test had to be done when they can get a reading off of a breathalyzer.

 

[eleni777]

Wouldn't they at least have done a breathalyzer? Maybe that's all they needed. I'm not convinced that they absolutely needed to do a blood test. I could be wrong, though. I keep seeing this harped on as them being inept, but is it really? They were there for a missing child. It's not like she was driving a car under the influence. I really want to know why it's so important that a blood test had to be done when they can get a reading off of a breathalyzer.

My guess is the ONLY reason they would be bringing it up so they can USE IT IN COURT..."well you can't prove she wasn't drunk you didn't do a blood test or breathalizer"

 

[Turnadot]

But drinking on a regular basis and "blacking out" are 2 different things. When i was younger I had a drinking problem, I also have blacked out before, even now as I am older, I have blacked out (and no I dont have a drinking problem anymore, that was when I was a teenager). There is a difference. I would like to believe that if LE found her to be drunk when they went to the house or even smelled alcohol on her, they could have arrested her for endangering the welfare of a child. She did have 2 other kids home with her while in that state as well. I cant see LE letting that go in this case or in any case for that matter.

Can they arrest for that? Seems a slippery slope to me. I'd think after a breathalyzer, sure, but not just smelling alcohol on someone, even in an extreme case of a kidnapping.

 

[not_my_kids]

First, congrats on the education! Its a great feeling to accomplish such a goal. Now, I have a question - could the "drunk excuse" be used in a "diminished capacity" role?

I say that cause its not rocket science and I think it would be fairly easy to get a psychologist to testify as to the "effects" of drinking which could cause a "diminished capacity" in someone who is drunk.

And, if that can't be used as a defense - I would think it would certainly play into the mitagating factors when deciding sentence. But that's a double-edged sword - because I think it could also be used as an aggravating factor as well - especially if the person has a history of drinking.

Does that make any sense?

If she were to end up on trial for whatever did happen to Lisa, she would have a hard time making diminished capacity fly because she technically diminished her own capacity by choosing to drink.

Certainly, she could use it for sentencing, if she were to throw herself on the mercy of a jury and hope that at least one of them would side with her and her belief that she was entitled to "adult time" 3-4 times a week.

With the way it's looking though, they might go for the alcoholism as a disease defense, and try to make an affirmative defense, basically telling the courts that she is responsible for whatever happened, but on the flip side, she is suffering from a disease that renders her incapable of appropriately caring for a child, therefore, she isn't really responsible because she has this horrible illness. There's a double edged sword in that too, because even if they could make that fly, then the responsibility would logically fall to the other adult that lived in the home: Jeremy. And both of them would likely lose their children back to the other parent or to the state.

Of course, if Jeremy or Deborah did do something heinous to Lisa, I don't see them being too torn up about the idea of losing their other children.

 

[Aedrys]

My guess is the ONLY reason they would be bringing it up so they can USE IT IN COURT..."well you can't prove she wasn't drunk you didn't do a blood test or breathalizer"

True, but it's never been said that a breathalyzer wasn't done on her, only a blood test. I think this is being blown out of proportion. If they at least have a breathalyzer on her, that should be enough. I just can't fathom that the KC police would be that inept.

 

[Pacific2011]

Something to consider: Debbie's "adult time" probably occurred while Jeremy was in the home since he apparently worked during the day until he went to work on the night shift for the first time. JMO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

BBM. That is exactly what I'm afraid of...a sick baby would definitely take away from her precious adult time...

Funny that she refers to it as "adult time". ADULTS who want to engage in these sorts of activities make other arrangements for the care of their small children, imo. Nothing "adult" about getting s-faced when you are responsible for the wellbeing of children...I don't care if they are sleeping when you do it or not. ANYTHING could happen. What if there was a fire on the middle of the night?

 

[passionflower]

Considering she claimed getting blackout drunk was adult time, I translate her above statement as: I get plastered 3-4 days a week.

Those poor kids.

My opinions...

Does anyone know how long it takes to get plastered?
All I want is a timeline. From 5:30 til 10:30?

 

[natsound]

frankie, if DB was drinking that much on a regular basis, chances are she's developed a tolerance that might cause her to appear sober to the casual observer. However, I'd be very surprised if LE didn't at least SMELL alcohol on her, and that's one of the reasons they began to take a hard look at her.

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So true, Velouria, about developing the tolerance. There are people that can down some serious alcohol, and still drive home and get up for work the next day.

One other thing about PD detecting alcohol on her... even if she took every precaution to remove the smell of the wine, her pupils would have been dilated.

I think PD had a good indication she had been drinking, but they weren't ready to arrest her for that. IMO they wanted to observe her actions and reactions at that time.

 

[eleni777]

True, but it's never been said that a breathalyzer wasn't done on her, only a blood test. I think this is being blown out of proportion. If they at least have a breathalyzer on her, that should be enough. I just can't fathom that the KC police would be that inept.

BBM: I can't either. I also can't fathom announcing that you were drunk enough not to remember everything about the evening would be blessing in a court of law...:twocents:

 

[Turnadot]

True, but it's never been said that a breathalyzer wasn't done on her, only a blood test. I think this is being blown out of proportion. If they at least have a breathalyzer on her, that should be enough. I just can't fathom that the KC police would be that inept.

I'm with you.

If they smelled alcohol on her, then they gave her a breathalyzer. I say this because DB and JI wouldn't just mention the blood test, they'd be saying, 'they didn't even give her a breathalyzer!'

sometimes it's not what people say that matters, but what they don't say.

My opinions...

 

[lvkeanu]

Good Morning. I apologize I'm semi new to WS but was curious where to go to read more about the "ruthless" custody case J had with the ex.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get plastered?
All I want is a timeline. From 5:30 til 10:30?

All I want is a timeline from 10:30 pm until 4 am. :banghead:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Good Morning. I apologize I'm semi new to WS but was curious where to go to read more about the "ruthless" custody case J had with the ex.
Thanks in advance.

You won't find that information on Websleuths.