Interviews 10/17/2011 All interviews #2

[passionflower]

Could a friend or family member of thought baby Lisa wasn't cared for by this plastered mom? and gave the baby to a good home?
But wouldn't the boys know?
IMO, I still blame DB on what happened that night.
Why are we not seeing any pictures of Lisa other than at early months and at party?
No in between.........did mom forget to take pictures?
When did mom's drinking problem begin? Did dad know all of this?

 

[natsound]

True, but it's never been said that a breathalyzer wasn't done on her, only a blood test. I think this is being blown out of proportion. If they at least have a breathalyzer on her, that should be enough. I just can't fathom that the KC police would be that inept.

Breathalyzers can be refused too. Also, they would not get an accurate blood alcohol reading because it's possible several hours had passed.

 

[21merc7]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get plastered?
All I want is a timeline. From 5:30 til 10:30?

That requires too many variables. Tolerance to alcohol, how much you weigh, how much and what you have eaten that day, what kind of alcohol you are drinking, how much you are drinking, how fast you are drinking it, any stress that day, and the list goes on. If you want a made up sort of answer anywhere from a couple of hours to many hours.

 

[21merc7]

I don't know of any LE that give a breathalyzer when you are in your own home. Only know of it if you are driving. That would be thrown out of Court rather rapidly, probably never make it to Court. jmo

If they wanted to take her to the station for a blood test, she would have to give consent given the unusual circumstances. The focus was on a B&E and Kidnapping. Anything else at that moment was not as relevant as the kidnapping.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

The attorney said in the GMA interview that the boys heard "clicking noises".

I wonder if that's what woke up the 6 yr old and he decided to go into bed with DB? I wonder if DB was in her bed when he went in there?

I know sometimes, if I'm still downstairs, my kids will hear something or get scared and go to my bed even if I'm not in there. Usually they will come to me first but if they are half asleep they just crawl into my bed. (they're getting big too and very hard to move!)

 

[frankie069]

Wouldn't they at least have done a breathalyzer? Maybe that's all they needed. I'm not convinced that they absolutely needed to do a blood test. I could be wrong, though. I keep seeing this harped on as them being inept, but is it really? They were there for a missing child. It's not like she was driving a car under the influence. I really want to know why it's so important that a blood test had to be done when they can get a reading off of a breathalyzer.

I agree to a point, and that point being she had 2 other children at home and now one missing. So if she were drunk or smelled like alcohol when the police came to the house I would like to think they would have arrested her for child endangerment on the 2 that were there or at least call child protective services on her. I cannot imagine the police ignoring her being drunk. That doesnt make sense to me. Unfortunately we arent hearing anything at all on the news about this case, other than all the high profile people that the family seems to be coming in contact with and LE is not saying a word. I dont think we are ever going to know what happened until Lisa's body is found. At least then they can tell how she died. After all this time I dont hold out hope that she is still alive unless as a publicity stunt and to make a few bucks, the parents gave her to someone who will collect the reward money and split it with them. (You never know, someone that no one knows that are involved with could do this and take the baby and bring it to the police station or something and say, hey, I saw someone dump this baby, is this Lisa?? Far fetched I know but so is this whole case).

 

[Seaturtle]

Wouldn't they at least have done a breathalyzer? Maybe that's all they needed. I'm not convinced that they absolutely needed to do a blood test. I could be wrong, though. I keep seeing this harped on as them being inept, but is it really? They were there for a missing child. It's not like she was driving a car under the influence. I really want to know why it's so important that a blood test had to be done when they can get a reading off of a breathalyzer.

BBM - I agree. I know that many here would disagree but there is nothing inherently "criminal" about drinking in your own home. LE was not there to investigate child endangerment or child abuse - they were responding to a possible kidnapping. Her being intoxicated is relevant to that investigation but alone is not something they would legally charge her with. I'm not 100% certain they would have the authority to take a blood test or breathalyzer -for what purpose? I am not saying that drinking to the point of inebriation with children at home is ok - but I would have issues with LE having the authority to check on someone's blood alcohol level in their own home when reporting a crime.

My personal opinion is that to some degree we have gone a little over the top regarding the drinking discussion. Irresponsible parenting - absolutely! In my opinion however, that alone is not reason enough to assume she has a drinking problem or is guilty of harming her child. There are plenty of other things that make this case suspicious. Harping on that one, just makes us sound a bit prudish and judgmental.

 

[not_my_kids]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get plastered?
All I want is a timeline. From 5:30 til 10:30?

From my drinking days, (which might I add, ended for the most part when I had kids), I know that I could go from sober to tipsy in half an hour, flat out plastered in an hour, and blackout in an hour and a half, if I really put my mind to it. I'm sure for others, it would either be faster or slower, depending on the type of alcohol, whatever else was in their system, and weight.

 

[jacy]

Funny that she refers to it as "adult time". ADULTS who want to engage in these sorts of activities make other arrangements for the care of their small children, imo. Nothing "adult" about getting s-faced when you are responsible for the wellbeing of children...I don't care if they are sleeping when you do it or not. ANYTHING could happen. What if there was a fire on the middle of the night?

Her behavior is maddening. Another thing is the boys' perception of what adults do and this 'adult time'. Do they think it's normal for mama to change every time she has adult time? Do they think this is all part of being a grown up? Their young little minds are so impressionable. I worry.

Also, did she really not speak with them about Lisa? Has anyone? Or are they potentially carrying the night of Oct 3rd around in their own heads? IDK.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The attorney said in the GMA interview that the boys heard "clicking noises".

I wonder if that's what woke up the 6 yr old and he decided to go into bed with DB? I wonder if DB was in her bed when he went in there?

I know sometimes, if I'm still downstairs, my kids will hear something or get scared and go to my bed even if I'm not in there. Usually they will come to me first but if they are half asleep they just crawl into my bed. (they're getting big too and very hard to move!)

First thing that comes to my mind is a lighter.

But maybe that's because I'm convinced the window in the computer room was open to let out smoke (of some kind). :waitasec:

 

[Turnadot]

I agree to a point, and that point being she had 2 other children at home and now one missing. So if she were drunk or smelled like alcohol when the police came to the house I would like to think they would have arrested her for child endangerment on the 2 that were there or at least call child protective services on her. I cannot imagine the police ignoring her being drunk. That doesnt make sense to me. Unfortunately we arent hearing anything at all on the news about this case, other than all the high profile people that the family seems to be coming in contact with and LE is not saying a word. I dont think we are ever going to know what happened until Lisa's body is found. At least then they can tell how she died. After all this time I dont hold out hope that she is still alive unless as a publicity stunt and to make a few bucks, the parents gave her to someone who will collect the reward money and split it with them. (You never know, someone that no one knows that are involved with could do this and take the baby and bring it to the police station or something and say, hey, I saw someone dump this baby, is this Lisa?? Far fetched I know but so is this whole case).

I respectfully disagree.

LE had a kidnapped 10 month old to find, I think DB being plastered was pretty far down on LE's list of things to worry about that night.

 

[Aedrys]

BBM - I agree. I know that many here would disagree but there is nothing inherently "criminal" about drinking in your own home. LE was not there to investigate child endangerment or child abuse - they were responding to a possible kidnapping. Her being intoxicated is relevant to that investigation but alone is not something they would legally charge her with. I'm not 100% certain they would have the authority to take a blood test or breathalyzer -for what purpose? I am not saying that drinking to the point of inebriation with children at home is ok - but I would have issues with LE having the authority to check on someone's blood alcohol level in their own home when reporting a crime.

My personal opinion is that to some degree we have gone a little over the top regarding the drinking discussion. Irresponsible parenting - absolutely! In my opinion however, that alone is not reason enough to assume she has a drinking problem or is guilty of harming her child. There are plenty of other things that make this case suspicious. Harping on that one, just makes us sound a bit prudish and judgmental.

But she has said she has her adult time three to four times a week. That sounds like a drinking problem to me and something to be concerned about. If she did this like once or twice a month, it wouldn't warrant discussion. But three to four times a week? That is a problem, and it could have possibly caused Lisa's disappearance and death. There is never a good reason to be drunk that many times a week with small children around. And they can't pay their phone bill, but she can have her adult time three to four times a week. I guess adult time is more important than having a working phone.

 

[CN2Souls]

Her behavior is maddening. Another thing is the boys' perception of what adults do and this 'adult time'. Do they think it's normal for mama to change every time she has adult time? Do they think this is all part of being a grown up? Their young little minds are so impressionable. I worry.

Also, did she really not speak with them about Lisa? Has anyone? Or are they potentially carrying the night of Oct 3rd around in their own heads? IDK.

I really wish DB and JI would allow the boys to be interviewed again, or get them into some sort of counseling,

Not sure about the local LE there,

However, Here the children are most always interviewed by an outside Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists that works as a liaison for LE, with the Parents present and NOT LE.

At time the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, will ask parents if they could watch through a 2 way mirror or close circuit TV.

ALL interviews are taped, Parent can then give consent to give to LE these tapes or not.

HOWEVER, if the children have witnessed a crime that was committed by the parents and tell the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, is compelled by law to give this information to LE.

*** to add they don't "grill" the Child, they used play therapy and Art therapy to interview the child, it is done in a very "soft" non-confrontational way.

 

[not_my_kids]

You won't find that information on Websleuths.

Actually, that information is in mainstream media. it was introduced as recently as yesterday by Peter Alexander in his interview. Although he didn't say that the custody case was ruthless, he said that Jeremy was ruthless in his pursuit of custody of his son. That could mean a lot of things.

 

[frankie069]

Can they arrest for that? Seems a slippery slope to me. I'd think after a breathalyzer, sure, but not just smelling alcohol on someone, even in an extreme case of a kidnapping.

We live in a time that if you have a child that is overweight CPS can come in and take your child. I think if they thought she was drunk or smelled of alcohol they would have done a breathalyzer and yes, at that point taken her in for endangerment. Thats why I am having a problem with her saying she blacked out. I dont buy that defense at all. Having a few drinks, ok, I buy that, anyone that has ever blacked out knows that happens so no, I dont buy it for a second. I dont buy that as much as I dont buy "My daughter drowned in the pool by accident so I chloroformed her, ducted taped her, wrapped her in 3 garbage bags and then inside some cloth hampers and threw her in the woods and went out to party" defense either..) Nope, I aint buying it..

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Actually, that information is in mainstream media. it was introduced as recently as yesterday by Peter Alexander in his interview. Although he didn't say that the custody case was ruthless, he said that Jeremy was ruthless in his pursuit of custody of his son. That could mean a lot of things.

Well, maybe I'm wrong and mods will allow discussion of that.

You go first and if they don't smack ya, I'll join in.

 

[Turnadot]

I really wish DB and JI would allow the boys to be interviewed again, or get them into some sort of counseling,

Not sure about the local LE there,

However, Here the children are most always interviewed by an outside Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists that works as a liaison for LE, with the Parents present and NOT LE.

At time the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, will ask parents if they could watch through a 2 way mirror or close circuit TV.

ALL interviews are taped, Parent can then give consent to give to LE these tapes or not.

HOWEVER, if the children have witnessed a crime that was committed by the parents and tell the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, is compelled by law to give this information to LE.

*** to add they don't "grill" the Child, they used play therapy and Art therapy to interview the child, it is done in a very "soft" non-confrontational way.

OK. I'd agree to that under the condition that I could watch.

 

[frankie069]

I really wish DB and JI would allow the boys to be interviewed again, or get them into some sort of counseling,

Not sure about the local LE there,

However, Here the children are most always interviewed by an outside Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists that works as a liaison for LE, with the Parents present and NOT LE.

At time the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, will ask parents if they could watch through a 2 way mirror or close circuit TV.

ALL interviews are taped, Parent can then give consent to give to LE these tapes or not.

HOWEVER, if the children have witnessed a crime that was committed by the parents and tell the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, is compelled by law to give this information to LE.

*** to add they don't "grill" the Child, they used play therapy and Art therapy to interview the child, it is done in a very "soft" non-confrontational way.

You are right. These kids are not suspects, they are possible witnesses, I didnt think they even needed permission to interview the kids and in this case, a missing child, it would be someone from the FBI that interviewed them, an FBI psych would do it and yes it would be taped and the parents could watch from another room but arent allowed in the room with them so they cant coach them. If the kids were suspects, then the parents can be in the room, I think then they HAVE to be in the room because they are underage. These children are witnesses though and hold valuable information I am sure. They dont even know what they might hold. Its been too long since this happened though so I am not sure what they coaching at home has been like, I think its too late to do this with them now. IMO

 

[CN2Souls]

OK. I'd agree to that under the condition that I could watch.

Thank you, and I might also add, The PARENTS are in complete control and can stop the interview at anytime.

 

[Turnadot]

We live in a time that if you have a child that is overweight CPS can come in and take your child. I think if they thought she was drunk or smelled of alcohol they would have done a breathalyzer and yes, at that point taken her in for endangerment. Thats why I am having a problem with her saying she blacked out. I dont buy that defense at all. Having a few drinks, ok, I buy that, anyone that has ever blacked out knows that happens so no, I dont buy it for a second. I dont buy that as much as I dont buy "My daughter drowned in the pool by accident so I chloroformed her, ducted taped her, wrapped her in 3 garbage bags and then inside some cloth hampers and threw her in the woods and went out to party" defense either..) Nope, I aint buying it..

Again, I disagree. LE needed DB to help them find her kidnapped baby. Arresting her would have caused her to lawyer up straight away, or she would have refused to talk to them at all, and they'd have nothing. Even if they believed she killed her baby, they'd have blown by arresting her and not locking her into a statement.

If I'm LE, I'm thinking I need this lady's cooperation. Arresting her for child endangerment for being s-faced would accomplish F all towards finding Lisa.

My opinions...