Interviews Lisa's Parents Good Morning America, Fox, The Today Show 10/17/2011 #2

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  • #121
Wanted to address a couple of things that keep coming up, just as food for thought. I still don't think the parents are guilty of Lisa's disappearance, but I am glad for the thought provoking questions from the "other side". There's a couple of issues though that should probably be non-issues as far as investigating the disappearance goes:

1 - Lisa having a cold. This child is 10 months old, not a newborn. A cold is not life threatening, and it is unlikely in the extreme that it ever would become life threatening for a ten month old. At absolute worst, it would cause a night of interrupted sleep due to cough or sniffles; most times, with just a cold, kids and older babies will pass the night just fine. For moms on their second or more kid, a cold just isn't a reason for hovering over the child all night, especially if you've got a monitor around too. I find nothing odd or suspicious in the fact that Lisa slept in her own bed that night, or that mom had company while Lisa had a cold.

2 - Lisa's bedtime. All children are different, an so are parents. In my home, I hav always insisted on early bedtimes for my four kids. One child was the oddball out, and went to bed at 630 because he never napped well even as a baby, and would crash at this time; all the others had bedtimes between 7 and 730 (of course as infants, depending on age, they might wake up still for a bottle or nursing, but then go bak to sleep). My 5 and 6 year olds still go to bed at 730. They play hard and fall asleep fast at that time.

I don't understand why people think this bedtime is odd. In fact, I think anyone letting their little on stay up past 8 is bordering on crazy lol. All the kids I know of personally whose parents let them stay up late (8, 830, 9:00) tend to be very cranky and whiny kids. When I see one neighbor walking around the block with her 6 and 3 year olds at 9pm at night, I always think "so THATs why your kids are always so miserable! Put them to bed!"

If you let your kid stay up late that's fine for you. But you can't extrapolate from that that having an early, regular bedtime is some sinister reason to suspect a mom of neglect, abuse, or otherwise harming her child.

3 - being drunk, or drinking to excess. Without knowing if this was a regular occurrence, how can we make a judgement about DB being a bad mother, or an immoral person, as I saw one poster somewhere say? Has no one here ever made a mistake? Yes, even when it comes to their kids? No one has ever done something and then said later, "wow, that was ridiculously stupid of me. Not gonna do that again!". Also, remember that some behavior is learned. DB might have grown up with it being normal for parents to socialize with drinks, with the kids home and about. I know mine did. I'm in my mid 30s, and my parents were pretty solid products of the 50s, so there was always lots of drinking, smoking, in my kitchen with friends and neighbors. Cocktails, beers, you name it (think Mad Men, but working class blue collar, not upper middle lol). Nothing bad ever happened, and nor was it seen as neglectful or abusive or abnormal. I had a great childhood, in fact! Of course, I can't ever remember mom or dad passing out or blacking out, but... :crazy:

Anyway, those are just a couple things I wanted to toss out there to give an alternative opinion on. Have been appreciating Most comments, but I do think, as someone earlier pointed out, there's a lot of glass houses sprouting up, and also a lot of ocusing in one some things that really just don't seem important, at least to me. :twocents:

Btw, apologies in advance for typos, I'm on the iPad and auto correct always manages to mess things up!
 
  • #122
I believe she's admitting this because she thinks it supports her allegation that she did not hear anything. She's had time to think more about her story and she's spinning this to her advantage. IMO she now wants us to believe that she was in a drunken deep sleep and therefore did not hear 'the abductor'.

Of course, it could be true that she was passed out and someone took the baby. I don't believe that, I just hope.

What horrifies me the most is her refusal to let the boys speak to police. First, it's just wrong. Their statements are critical!!! Second, the boys are being denied a chance to participate, and that is important for their own emotional well being. The police know how to question a child! This is isolating and has got to be causing distress to the boys to be locked out of being able to participate.

The boys were interviewed. She is refusing to allow them to be REinterviewed.
 
  • #123
DB has said that LE showed her burnt clothes. Did she say if they were Lisa's clothes or not? If she recognized them or not? I mean if you are going to bring them up, I would think that you would say whether or not you recognized the clothing.
 
  • #124
WAIT. Question:

If the phones were suspended for non-payment, allowing no outgoing calls, then why would they have immediately looked for the phones in order to call 911 when they discovered Lisa missing (hence the discovery that the phones were gone?) They would have known that those phones couldn't be used to dial out...unless 911 is an exception? If they knew they couldn't dial out on those phones, then wouldn't they have immediately run to the truck for the work phone, or to the neighbor's, or whatever?

:waitasec:
 
  • #125
So if she last saw her now about 6:30 or 6:40, then does that mean she was home about an hour (max) before she last saw Lisa? If she was on video at the store around 5:00pm? That's not much time to get "drunk". There sure is a time gap now - I wonder if Lisa was under the care of another child, or if she went to sleep and just wasn't checked on again. MOO

I imagine she put Lisa to bed before she got drunk, not the other way around. I think she put her to bed then went outside to drink her boxed wine.
 
  • #126
I believe she's admitting this because she thinks it supports her allegation that she did not hear anything. She's had time to think more about her story and she's spinning this to her advantage. IMO she now wants us to believe that she was in a drunken deep sleep and therefore did not hear 'the abductor'.

Of course, it could be true that she was passed out and someone took the baby. I don't believe that, I just hope.

What horrifies me the most is her refusal to let the boys speak to police. First, it's just wrong. Their statements are critical!!! Second, the boys are being denied a chance to participate, and that is important for their own emotional well being. The police know how to question a child! This is isolating and has got to be causing distress to the boys to be locked out of being able to participate.

I remember reading that the boys were interviewed by LE. MOO I think mom is saying she does not want them interviewed again...MOO .
 
  • #127
I am actually shocked she admitted it publicly. I have to believe that she told LE much earlier on because it would be suicidal to blurt it out just before the GJ meets.

Also wondering how much BS had to do with convincing her to tell the truth on this ..

Didn't Peter A say the parents were going to make a announcement about an attorney later today?
 
  • #128
On the very recent interviews, I didn't see DB doing her usual "fall apart into overwhelming hysterical crying, almost on cue". I wonder why? Is it becuz she or someone close to her has told her "that isn't working, try something else, here, try this instead"? Maybe even BS saying this to her?

Ohmygosh...I hope that I am wrong about what I think. :(
 
  • #129
I'm not liking what I'm hearing. An alcoholic blackout. Adult time while kids are home and one is sick. Defiance. Glasses of wine going from 3 (from Stanton) to 5 to now 6 to 10. I get pretty tipsy after two glasses of wine. I'd be knocked out with 6 to 10!

Also, if it's the kind of boxed wine I get, there's two sizes - one large one, and one about half the size of the large one. I'm betting she got the large one, though.

And now LE and FBI are outside the house they're staying in. Could they be dumb enough to have disposed of her there and then went to stay in it to protect the location of the body?

What in Hades is going on in this case? Why don't the parents care for their baby more? Where is Lisa? I'm getting bad feelings about this. I think I'm off the fence now...

By the way, Debbie reminds me of friend I used to have who would turn on the waterworks when she was lying or wanted to make things dramatic. So I think Debbie could be the opposite of Casey, an overemotional, confront me and I'll cry sort of person. Also, my former friend, if the tears didn't work, out came the anger. I think Debbie is doing this too. The tears didn't work much, so now it's defiance and anger. I don't think her emotions should be taken as a sign that she's innocent, but as a sign that she knows how to manipulate through tears and drama. She seems very self centered to me. I don't like the similarities between several cases I'm seeing...
 
  • #130
1 - Lisa having a cold. This child is 10 months old, not a newborn. A cold is not life threatening, and it is unlikely in the extreme that it ever would become life threatening for a ten month old. At absolute worst, it would cause a night of interrupted sleep due to cough or sniffles; most times, with just a cold, kids and older babies will pass the night just fine. For moms on their second or more kid, a cold just isn't a reason for hovering over the child all night, especially if you've got a monitor around too. I find nothing odd or suspicious in the fact that Lisa slept in her own bed that night, or that mom had company while Lisa had a cold.
What we know about her cold comes from the parents. I am not sure if she had a cold anymore. It could have been pneumonia, or she might have been the picture of health, just as 10.30 could be 6.40. A monitor does nothing whatsoever if mom is passed out.

3 - being drunk, or drinking to excess. Without knowing if this was a regular occurrence, how can we make a judgement about DB being a bad mother, or an immoral person, as I saw one poster somewhere say? Has no one here ever made a mistake? Yes, even when it comes to their kids? No one has ever done something and then said later, "wow, that was ridiculously stupid of me. Not gonna do that again!".

I certainly have done some stupid things in my time.

But DB doesn't say it was stupid of her and she's not gonna do it again, she says her drinking had nothing to do with Lisa going missing and that there is nothing wrong with her having some adult time (that involves her losing her memory while responsible for three children).
 
  • #131
Is that a glass and iron birdbath under the computer room window in the Fox clip?

Was it supposedly under that window that night?
Whatever it is, it was there when the police arrived and taped off the house. DB was also wearing what appear to be grey plaid/flannel pajama pants. So, she was apparently not so drunk as to not get into her own pajamas.
 
  • #132
I still have hope that Lisa will be found alive and safe, and pray she's warm and loved, wherever she is.

But I still can't shake the feeling that DB may be responsible. Now she's spinning yarns, making the story sound better, etc.

This may sound terrible of me, but I'm trying not to get too emotionally invested in this case because I'm still suffering burn out from the Casey Anthony case, and I don't want to once again get my hopes up that someone will be held accountable for a baby's disappearance.
 
  • #133
WAIT. Question:

If the phones were suspended for non-payment, allowing no outgoing calls, then why would they have immediately looked for the phones in order to call 911 when they discovered Lisa missing (hence the discovery that the phones were gone?) They would have known that those phones couldn't be used to dial out...unless 911 is an exception? If they knew they couldn't dial out on those phones, then wouldn't they have immediately run to the truck for the work phone, or to the neighbor's, or whatever?

:waitasec:

And why would they be "reprogramming" them? Why would one phone be new?
 
  • #134
What we know about her cold comes from the parents. I am not sure if she had a cold anymore. It could have been pneumonia, or she might have been the picture of health, just as 10.30 could be 6.40. A monitor does nothing whatsoever if mom is passed out.

<snip>

But DB doesn't say it was stupid of her and she's not gonna do it again, she says her drinking had nothing to do with Lisa going missing and that there is nothing wrong with her having some adult time (that involves her losing her memory while responsible for three children).
Lots and lots of excuses are coming out from both of them over time...not at the start.

Don't forget "fan blowing on high" now...GMAFB.

If your baby is sick, you change your normal routine, right?

Ohmygosh.
 
  • #135
IDk JennaT but I have a neighbor who hides his liquor in his air conditioner filter when his parents come to visit.:floorlaugh:

wm

Maybe someone thought/thinks the pings might not get through a metal barrier.
 
  • #136
WAIT. Question:

If the phones were suspended for non-payment, allowing no outgoing calls, then why would they have immediately looked for the phones in order to call 911 when they discovered Lisa missing (hence the discovery that the phones were gone?) They would have known that those phones couldn't be used to dial out...unless 911 is an exception? If they knew they couldn't dial out on those phones, then wouldn't they have immediately run to the truck for the work phone, or to the neighbor's, or whatever?

:waitasec:

911 can be reached, without charge/cost, on the phones. In the Domestic Violence shelters there are drives to get old cellphones; not so that they can be used for everyday calls but that they are a very effective tool that enables the abused to reach LE in an emergency.
 
  • #137
WAIT. Question:

If the phones were suspended for non-payment, allowing no outgoing calls, then why would they have immediately looked for the phones in order to call 911
when they discovered Lisa missing (hence the discovery that the phones were gone?) They would have known that those phones couldn't be used to dial out...unless 911 is an exception? If they knew they couldn't dial out on those phones, then wouldn't they have immediately run to the truck for the work phone, or to the neighbor's, or whatever?

:waitasec:
Don't know how it is in the USA but here we can still phone emergency services, even if the phone is suspended.
 
  • #138
Maybe someone thought/thinks the pings might not get through a metal barrier.

May be....I cannot get a signal in restaurants and grocery stores with firewalls in their kitchens.

wm
 
  • #139
Don't know how it is in the USA but here we can still phone emergency services, even if the phone is suspended.

It is the same here.
 
  • #140
911 works on any phone with a good battery even if there is no other service.
 
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