Intruder theories only. No posts from rdi members allowed

[wengr]

If they were consistent with the fibers used to bag her hands that would have been noted. There has to be a difference for them to be specific. It says material found ON THE BAG.
"Further, small pieces of the material on this brown sack were found in the 'vacuuming' of JonBenet's bed and in the body bag that was used to transport her body "

It does not say OF this bag but ON This bag.. So that singles that bag out.

Yes I know what it says. I just don't assume that you or I know what it means. Why did they not simply say fibers from the rope?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes I know what it says. I just don't assume that you or I know what it means. Why did they not simply say fibers from the rope?

The point is that the fibers and pieces were specific to the bag. You asked how they knew it was not from the bags her hands were in. This is the reason. There was material on this bag that was also on the pieces of bag found with JBR.

 

[Anyhoo]

The point is that the fibers and pieces were specific to the bag. You asked how they knew it was not from the bags her hands were in. This is the reason. There was material on this bag that was also on the pieces of bag found with JBR.

Scarlett, what do you theorize is the relationship of the bag with the rope in it and the murder? Lay it out enough detail so we can see it.

 

[Mama2JML]

Condescending much?

I never directed my post toward you, don't take it personally.

hwow: My reply was genuine. I wasn't offended, and I took nothing you posted personally. You mentioned you don't post in this thread, and I was just letting you know that I was open to considering your perspective.

 

[Anyhoo]

Is the rope in the bag the same rope as in the photograph of JB? I always had the impression it was the exact same rope. If it was the same rope, what does it say that fibers from the bag it was in are consistent with fibers from the body?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Scarlett, what do you theorize is the relationship of the bag with the rope in it and the murder? Lay it out enough detail so we can see it.

I don't theorize. The rope was not used in the murder. It was brought into the house and whoever touched it was somehow involved in the death of JBR.

I don't believe there is any evidence to prove that it was any of the Ramseys.

 

[wengr]

You asked how they knew it was not from the bags her hands were in.

Actually I did not. I believe this is a misunderstanding.

There was material on this bag that was also on the pieces of bag found with JBR.

Do you know the nature of this material?

 

[Anyhoo]

I don't theorize. The rope was not used in the murder. It was brought into the house and whoever touched it was somehow involved in the death of JBR.

I don't believe there is any evidence to prove that it was any of the Ramseys.

Any theory as to why an intruder would bring that rope into the house? For what possible purpose? To tie up JB?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Actually I did not. I believe this is a misunderstanding. Do you know the nature of this material?

Nope. Just that is was on this particular bag and also on the pieces that were found in her bed and with her body.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Any theory as to why an intruder would bring that rope into the house? For what possible purpose? To tie up JB?

Possibly. And decided not to use it, dropped it, I don't know.. There is no way to know why it was left and not used.

 

[wengr]

Nope. Just that is was on this particular bag and also on the pieces that were found in her bed and with her body.

So if we do not know the nature of the material, then we at this point do not know the scarcity of the material.

 

[Anyhoo]

Possibly. And decided not to use it, dropped it, I don't know.. There is no way to know why it was left and not used.

Scarlett, did you ever see the photograph of JB posed with a rope that looks strikingly similar to the rope found in the sack in JAR's room?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So if we do not know the nature of the material, then we at this point do not know the scarcity of the material.

We know it was the same material that was on the bed and in with JBR. I think that it could be something they withheld as they do in a lot of cases.. but I think it identifies it to the pieces found with the body and in her bed.

That is good evidence.

 

[wengr]

There is no way to know why it was left and not used.

Agreed. I wonder if the fact that the R's won't tell us is the reason?
What we need to keep in mind is that all these posts concerning the rope show nothing to say that the possible connection between the rope and JBR is not thru BR.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Agreed. I wonder if the fact that the R's won't tell us is the reason?
What we need to keep in mind is that all these posts concerning the rope show nothing to say that the possible connection between the rope and JBR is not thru BR.

BR has nothing to do with IDI and I won't discuss him. There are other threads for that.

THere is nothing that connects the R's to this rope or bag.

 

[wonderllama]

BR has nothing to do with IDI and I won't discuss him. There are other threads for that.

THere is nothing that connects the R's to this rope or bag.

According to the Ramseys you mean. Yes.

Can you lift fingerprints from rope?
Were the Ramseys tested for the presence of fibres from this rope?
If yes, when?

 

[Venom]

PR put a Christmas tree in every room, and she said that the one in JAR's room had a western theme. (Or a somewhat similar theme, I forget her wording) Can we agree on that?
Does anyone know if the rope (It was found in JAR's room, correct?) was ever checked with the tree? Or was the tree put up a different year?

 

[Mama2JML]

Factors in police ignoring intuition



7th link down... not sure how to link the pdf file - sorry

http://www.bing.com/search?q=police+gut+feelings&PC=BB07&QS=n&first=41&FORM=PORE

I clicked the link and was directed to search results, but I didn't find the PDF you've mentioned. Also, the link took me to page 4 of the search results, so I don't know if you copied the link intended. I'll read the source if you can help me find it...

 

[redheadedgal]

I clicked the link and was directed to search results, but I didn't find the PDF you've mentioned. Also, the link took me to page 4 of the search results, so I don't know if you copied the link intended. I'll read the source if you can help me find it...

7th link down... same title as i posted

 

[Mama2JML]

PR put a Christmas tree in every room, and she said that the one in JAR's room had a western theme. (Or a somewhat similar theme, I forget her wording) Can we agree on that?
Does anyone know if the rope (It was found in JAR's room, correct?) was ever checked with the tree? Or was the tree put up a different year?

The tree to which you refer, according to ACR, was decorated with a western theme in 1994. Even though it would have been 2 years earlier, it doesn't seem far fetched to theorize the rope in question may have been used on JAR's tree & remained in his room or was pulled out of storage (if/when a tree was set up in his room) for Christmas 1996. I am curious as to how the fibers from the bag containing the rope ended up on JonBenet & her bed...

From ACR: (DOI p. 93): "Burke's tree had an airplane theme, with Santa flying through the air, as well as lots of other little airplanes diving down through the branches. John Andrew's tree reflected a western theme with cowboy hats, saddles, bandanna bows, and ornaments to mirror his life as a "cowboy" student at the University of Colorado. In Melinda's bedroom, I put up a three foot tree festooned with paper dolls and pink and white Victorian lace. JonBenet helped me decorate the full size angel tree in her room with items we had picked up in our travels and ornaments from her baby years, like her pink tennis shoes. She had one special glass angel that she hung on her tree because it reminded her of Beth."

"Down in the kitchen, I had about a dozen birdhouses displayed year around as decorations a top our cabinets. So on a corner of the kitchen counter, I placed a three foot tree filled with bird nests and ornaments made out of birdseed. Upstairs in the children's play room, I decorated a whimsical eight foot tree with nursery rhyme characters, teddy bears, and Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse ornaments. Finally, our master bedroom had a full size artificial tree glistening with gold, silver, and crystal ornaments. In addition to the garland of pearls and white pearl lights, I hung hand blown glass I'd brought with me from West Virginia."

Source: http://www.acandyrose.com/s-jonbenet-timeline.htm