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[bettybaby00]

I don't believe they know who did it, I think they may have known the person who did it, If you know what I mean. I don't believe they know the identity of the person who killed Jonbenet, But I think they may have met that person, Know that person in some distant capacity that they would have been far enough out to not be on their radar or the police's radar, Although they were focused on the R's immediately.

I believe this was more of a fringe person. Someone who may have known the R's but the R's may not have known them, Someone they passed in the store but had no knowledge of them intimately.

I hope that is more clear about what I am thinking on the Suspect.

Then why put forth the idea that the Rs "knew" them? What you describe (I'm not trying to signal you out, this seems to be felt by some of the other posters) doesn't really correlate to being familiar to the family. Crimes most definitely happen whereby an assailant notices and then targets someone from the most negligible of connections.

Wouldn't that be considered IDI...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Then why put forth the idea that the Rs "knew" them? What you describe (I'm not trying to signal you out, this seems to be felt by some of the other posters) doesn't really correlate to being familiar to the family. Crimes most definitely happen whereby an assailant notices and then targets someone from the most negligible of connections.

Wouldn't that be considered IDI...

An intruder did it, To me means anyone who did not live there and was in that house that night and killed JonBenet. Whether they knew them or not matters not to me. It was someone that was not an R and should not have been there.

I feel like it was someone that knew them better than they knew the perp if they knew the perp at all, but I see the possibility that it was someone that they had some kind of contact with. I do not believe they know for sure who killed their dd. I believe they have ideas or may have met that person but I don't think know they know it is THAT person who killed her.

It is just my thoughts, I know other people may have different ideas and we won't know what is correct until we find that person.

 

[BBB167893]

There is a lot of poisoning the well in that post. "He was a product of the 60s." There's a lot about left/right politics. In the dialogue quoted the first thing Thomas does is point out is Dershowitz is notorious for defending OJ. It's all about attacking the person, and not really the person but his supposed politics. Half the people have some leftwing or rightwing politics, so you could dismiss anyone with this claim.

I hardly see how it's "poisoning the well" to list a person's history and why they do the things they do, CircuitGuy. That's an actual excerpt from my upcoming book, and I thought that it was important for the readers to know about this guy. I didn't say anything that wasn't true.

Also, before I leave, let me lay this one on you. There's a lot of talk about the GJ indictments and what AH failed to do with them. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe no one felt right in sending a sick woman to prison for life, so that's why all of this was done and not done?

Perhaps Shakespeare can explain it better than I:

The quality of mercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blessed:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest. It becomes
The thronèd monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings,
But mercy is above this sceptered sway.
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings.
It is an attribute to God himself.

 

[vulture]

I think the perp was someone who knew the bonus amount, knew of John and knew enough to have a grudge against him, but did not necessarily know John personally. I think he was immature and really into pop culture (movie references). I think it's possible there was more than one perp. We'll never know if Jon Benet or anyone else close to the family talked to anyone around that time that turned out to not be trustworthy about the family's schedule, the bonus money, whatever information that might have helped the perp. Boulder is a place where there are a lot of people who hate business people and people who are successful, so I think the motive is somewhat political, but more of a hate crime. I could change my mind if more information comes to light but based on what I know now, if I were LE that's the kind of person I'd be investigating. I have no special knowledge of how to investigate a crime, or how to profile or anything like that.

 

[vulture]

I just knocked down a spiderweb last night. It was back this morning. Fully made and intact. If the spider was living INSIDE The house and NOT OUTSIDE, But ventured there, It could have indeed made a full web quickly.

It has been cold here at night also. There is a spider that has been out there even with temps have dipped to the 30's.

I don't see the spider web as any big proof of anything.

Yes last week I put a spider outside that had been living in a crevice in a plant pot, I had been knocking down the web daily and the next day you couldn't tell I'd ever knocked it down and it was not small. I didn't time the spider but clearly it can take less than a day. Finally I chased the spider out by pouring sand in the crevice and I moved it outside.

 

[vulture]

A person can stand in a room in a sweater with synthetic fibers and not shed.
But can you scrape up against a rough window sill and not leave sweater fibers behind? Not likely

I'd have to see if anyone has tested this to say for sure but it does not sound likely. But is it possible that the perp did not enter or exit through the window, but did indeed open it planning to push Jon Benet out, or evidence out, or something out, she screamed, so he killed her?

 

[CircuitGuy]

I suspect one or both suspected or knew that JBR was being molested. I believe that the indictment indicates that they could have and should have done more to intervene.

Is it saying this molestation led to her death?

 

[wengr]

Is it saying this molestation led to her death?

Yes, Imo.

 

[Arnie M]

On the subject of

Spider webs

A new spider web looks clean and white ..... after a while they collect dust and lint and have a brownish dirty hue

The spider webs in the police video were old .... no question about it.

best wishes

 

[Arnie M]

I suspect one or both suspected or knew that JBR was being molested. I believe that the indictment indicates that they could have and should have done more to intervene. ???

wengr

I am having second thoughts about the molestation issue ..... I posted my speculation around post #74 in this thread ....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10000683&posted=1#post10000683

See what you think
Thanks.

 

[Mama2JML]

On the subject of

Spider webs

A new spider web looks clean and white ..... after a while they collect dust and lint and have a brownish dirty hue

The spider webs in the police video were old .... no question about it.

best wishes

The spider web looks white to me, but I don't think this means it's new. It doesn't appear to be in "mint condition", so entry &/or exit (or an attempt to enter/exit) at this location is still a possibility. IMO.

 

[Arnie M]

Look at all the debris and the tears and breaks in the web .... it is definitely an old web

Look at a newly spun web someday if you get a chance .... they are symmetrical , every strand is perfect , no gaps or misses , and no debris in them , almost like a work of art.

Remember it is the IDI group that tries to claim the web in the video could have been made overnight between when the intruder left until police came ..... there is no way that web is only a few hours old.

 

[Mama2JML]

Look at all the debris and the tears and breaks in the web .... it is definitely an old web

Look at a newly spun web someday if you get a chance .... they are symmetrical , every strand is perfect , no gaps or misses , and no debris in them , almost like a work of art.

Remember it is the IDI group that tries to claim the web in the video could have been made overnight between when the intruder left until police came ..... there is no way that web is only a few hours old.

Okay, so there are breaks & tears in the web, and it's clearly in the corner of the window opening. Is it possible, given the condition of the web, that someone entered/exited or attempted to do so? Yes.

 

[Tawny]

It looks to me like there is dust all through the web. There wouldn't be if it were a new web. JMO!

 

[Arnie M]

Okay, so there are breaks & tears in the web, and it's clearly in the corner of the window opening. Is it possible, given the condition of the web, that someone entered/exited or attempted to do so? Yes.

Highly unlikely .... anyone sliding in through that small opening and then crawling back out would have destroyed the web. There was also another small spider web in the opening where the broken pane of glass was ... it is possible a person could have reached in to open the latch without disturbing that one.

Another red herring is the supposed "boot mark" on the wall under the window .... it is a water stain in the drywall ... nothing more.

As good as Lou Smit's detective skills were touted ... he was completely off base on quite a few things with his Intruder theory .... it bordered on "make believe" is the nicest way to describe it.

 

[bettybaby00]

Highly unlikely .... anyone sliding in through that small opening and then crawling back out would have destroyed the web. There was also another small spider web in the opening where the broken pane of glass was ... it is possible a person could have reached in to open the latch without disturbing that one.

Another red herring is the supposed "boot mark" on the wall under the window .... it is a water stain in the drywall ... nothing more.

As good as Lou Smit's detective skills were touted ... he was completely off base on quite a few things with his Intruder theory .... it bordered on "make believe" is the nicest way to describe it.

If you look at the vid/pics of LS going through the window to "prove" his theory, it's evident that it was an extremely tight fit. Or put another way, it would have been impossible to get through the window without disturbing the web(s). Yes spiders can rebuild very quickly, but as others have pointed out those were not fresh webs. But more importantly, the outside window grate, and the window well it covered showed no signs of having been recently disturbed. So even if the webs were destroyed, and then rebuilt by the next afternoon (which according to experts was not possible b/c the species associated with the web is not "active" during the winter) the surrounding areas outside the window disprove the entire theory anyway.

 

[Mama2JML]

Highly unlikely .... anyone sliding in through that small opening and then crawling back out would have destroyed the web. There was also another small spider web in the opening where the broken pane of glass was ... it is possible a person could have reached in to open the latch without disturbing that one.

Another red herring is the supposed "boot mark" on the wall under the window .... it is a water stain in the drywall ... nothing more.

As good as Lou Smit's detective skills were touted ... he was completely off base on quite a few things with his Intruder theory .... it bordered on "make believe" is the nicest way to describe it.

I don't recall reading about the "water stain in the drywall" explanation before. Where did you find this info?

 

[Arnie M]

I don't recall reading about the "water stain in the drywall" explanation before. Where did you find this info?

Its been discussed before , and as recently as the last month or so on the JB threads by professional contractors who work on basements with moisture damage.

Find a good picture of the wall and you can see it is a water stain and extends down about 20 inches below the "scuff mark"

 

[BBB167893]

If you look at the vid/pics of LS going through the window to "prove" his theory, it's evident that it was an extremely tight fit. Or put another way, it would have been impossible to get through the window without disturbing the web(s). Yes spiders can rebuild very quickly, but as others have pointed out those were not fresh webs. But more importantly, the outside window grate, and the window well it covered showed no signs of having been recently disturbed. So even if the webs were destroyed, and then rebuilt by the next afternoon (which according to experts was not possible b/c the species associated with the web is not "active" during the winter) the surrounding areas outside the window disprove the entire theory anyway.

It's a dry well, folks. (No pun intended)

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If you look at the vid/pics of LS going through the window to "prove" his theory, it's evident that it was an extremely tight fit. Or put another way, it would have been impossible to get through the window without disturbing the web(s). Yes spiders can rebuild very quickly, but as others have pointed out those were not fresh webs. But more importantly, the outside window grate, and the window well it covered showed no signs of having been recently disturbed. So even if the webs were destroyed, and then rebuilt by the next afternoon (which according to experts was not possible b/c the species associated with the web is not "active" during the winter) the surrounding areas outside the window disprove the entire theory anyway.

This all depends on the size of the person sneaking in. I don't even believe that was definitely the point of entry but I know enough to know that there would be a difference in a 140 lb, man going in and a 200 lb man getting in.