Intruder theories only - RDI theories not allowed! *READ FIRST POST* #2

[Landonsmom02]

It is possible that all of the unsourced male samples came from the same person. Doubtful, IMO. Seems to be the result of speculation based on hearsay.

They tested the subjects of, & the instruments used in, the 8 previous autopsies.


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Thanks for your reply Mama.

So, the unsource DNA isn't from the same person? And if they tested the subjects in the morgue and noone was a match? I'm just baffled at how they have DNA on JB from different people. Do many people believe that there were up to 5 or more intruders that night?

 

[Mama2JML]

Thanks for your reply Mama.

So, the unsource DNA isn't from the same person?

No, that is not the message I am trying to relay. Rather, my opinion is that ALL of the unsourced male DNA may have been deposited by one person.

In 1997, unsourced male DNA was collected from the victim's right hand fingernail clippings, left hand fingernail clippings, and from the interior crotch of the victim's panties, commingled with her blood. These three samples were found to be consistent; meaning the genetic material may have been (& probably was) deposited, in these 3 separate locations, by the same male individual.

^^^This DNA, obtained in 1997, cannot be compared to the remaining evidentiary DNA (collected in 2001, 2003 & 2008) b/c the testing methods used then v. now target different genetic markers.

The DNA analyses conducted after 1997, revealed the same unsourced male DNA profile in three locations:

-The interior crotch of the victim's panties, commingled with her blood. (Submitted to CODIS in 2003)
-The left side of the victim's PJ pants/LJs.
-The right side of the victim's PJ pants/LJs.

ALL of the unsourced, evidentiary, male DNA (collected from 1997 on) may have been deposited by one person.

And if they tested the subjects in the morgue and noone was a match?

Right. No match, still unsourced...

I'm just baffled at how they have DNA on JB from different people.

ALL of the unsourced male DNA may have been deposited by one person.

Do many people believe that there were up to 5 or more intruders that night?

Absolutely not. There is no reason to believe so at all. The evidence is most indicative of one male intruder as ALL of the unsourced male DNA may have been deposited by one person.





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[andreww]

Absolutely not. There is no reason to believe so at all. The evidence is most indicative of one male intruder as ALL of the unsourced male DNA may have been deposited by one person.

Do you have a source for that statement? It seems to be contradictory to Kolar's opinion.

 

[Global Justice Ops]

It is not contradictory to his opinion. If you read his book it is comsistent with what he said.

 

[Landonsmom02]

It is not contradictory to his opinion. If you read his book it is comsistent with what he said.

Actually if you read or have read his book it opens with the idea that there were numerous intruders, ninja style, in the house. AKA.....a foreign fraction. Then as his book goes on and he lays out the evidence, it goes to show how ridiculous the idea is that mulitple intruders(because of the different samples of DNA) were in the home that night and were able to move around undetected by anyone in the home. His belief is someone (ramsey) did this horrific killing and not an intruder. Which gets me to my point that it more than likely came from the factory wokers as the lab thought it was sweat or saliva. IMO Yes I realize this is a IDI thread but I was just replying to Global justice ops.

 

[Global Justice Ops]

That is his belief, but he stated multiple times the evidence can support both theories.

 

[tovarisch]

Concerning multiple DNA.
What is chance it was one intruder versus group of intruders?
Young wolves come in a pack. I have reasons, I mentioned before in my old post, to believe in a well organized group of young terrorists.


And where the hell is JAR now? Is he is doing good, achiever as his brother Burke? Married with children? Joy of his father? He is close to 40 now.
Everybody knows who John dated or married, who is Burke dating, people somewhat know about them, can see their pictures, where the hell is Andrew? What came out of him?
Why I`m interested in JAR? I`ve always have been interested in his circle of friends. And I cannot find nothing. Nothing.

 

[Global Justice Ops]

He has a solid alibi. Their dating life has no relevance to this discussion.

 

[tovarisch]

He has a solid alibi. Their dating life has no relevance to this discussion.

O, that was quick response. No relevance, really ? Read RDI posts.

I do not care about anybody`s dating life.
I`m far from romantics. Long time.
You see one word, jump on it and you miss the point.
20 years ago, JAR was sharing the space and life with Ramsey. He invited fellow students for sleepovers. Yes, there is nothing about him as a young person, sports, habits, success in studies, CIRCLE of friends, or what he became now.
I`m still interested.

 

[Global Justice Ops]

I don't think his college buddies would have the audacity to execute this crime. He would have to known.

 

[tovarisch]

I don't think his college buddies would have the audacity to execute this crime. He would have to known.

If you have such a knowledge and strong positive opinion about JAR`s friends, could you share positive info? I will be glad to here positive instead of vacuum of information. Remember wisdom " keep your enemies closer than friends?" How do you know if his friends were not friends but kept close to him because they were enemies?
What do you know about JAR and his friends?

 

[Mama2JML]

If you have such a knowledge and strong positive opinion about JAR`s friends, could you share positive info? I will be glad to here positive instead of vacuum of information. Remember wisdom " keep your enemies closer than friends?" How do you know if his friends were not friends but kept close to him because they were enemies?
What do you know about JAR and his friends?

He's married with children, lives in Colorado, maintains a friendship with BM (along with other college buddies/lifelong friends). He remains highly involved with his immediate & extended family, travels to GA/MI/UT, attends family functions, and participates in social networking platforms. He seems to be quite 'normal', well-adjusted, successful, happy, and, overall, rather boring.


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[Mama2JML]

Somewhat relatable to the current topic (re: JAR, friends, etc.), from Fox News:

"A Missouri high school student obsessed over his friend’s 10-year-old sister abducted her from her home Thursday and planned to rape her, police said.

Authorities rescued the girl about 35 minutes later with nothing more than bruises, her 18-year-old brother told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

John Thomas Classen, 17, was charged with child kidnapping, burglary and two counts of child abuse. His bail was set at $1.5 million.

The abductor and the girl’s brother had been friends for about five years and were classmates at the high school they both attended.

The brother told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch his friend sent the girl a message over social media saying that she was cute and he loved her.

Although the brother said he took it with the “best intentions,” court documents show that Classen had other ideas. Classen planned to take the girl from her home and force her to come with him.

Classen wrote a list of intentions in his cellphone from the location of a hideout to how he was going to abduct the girl.

Police say Classen broke into the girl’s home at 12:40 a.m. that he deliberately unlocked two days ago when he was visiting. He waited in the basement for the girl to go to sleep.

Her brother woke up to his mother screaming about her daughter being kidnapped. Soon after, the mother saw the teen and her daughter behind the house and called 911.

Classen let the girl out by a wooded area and drove off. He was arrested at a police check point."​

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/14/missouri-teen-allegedly-abducted-friend-10-year-old-sister/


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[Mama2JML]

More info...

"O’FALLON, Mo. — Police have released additional details in the case of a 17-year-old boy who planned to kidnap and kill a 10-year-old Missouri girl.

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Classen apparently planned to kidnap the girl, sexually assault her, smother her and take photos of her body before leaving town, police told KTVI.

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Shortly after midnight on Thursday, Classen entered the victim’s home through a window he left unlocked a few days earlier while visiting the girl’s brother, according to police.

Classen waited in the basement for nearly four hours before grabbing the girl from a couch where she was sleeping. He struggled with the 10-year-old and dragged her to his nearby car.

A short time later, the girl’s family realized she was gone and called 911."​

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http://fox6now.com/2015/03/13/distu...n-teens-plot-to-kidnap-kill-10-year-old-girl/


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[Muy Curioso]

Why do you think that the ransom note was a ruse? Why can not be a real ransom note?

 

[Muy Curioso]

More precisely, what defines whether a ransom note is real or fake? If the victim is alive or dead? If she is found at home or away? I do not think so.

I think what is really important for a ransom note is the money. If the person who wrote the note wanted money, it is a real note. If not, it is a fake.

And I think that he wanted money, although perhaps not just money.

 

[tovarisch]

More precisely, what defines whether a ransom note is real or fake? If the victim is alive or dead? If she is found at home or away? I do not think so.

I think what is really important for a ransom note is the money. If the person who wrote the note wanted money, it is a real note. If not, it is a fake.

And I think that he wanted money, although perhaps not just money.

If he (or they) wanted money, he would bring ransom printed ahead of time on the computer in the business center. The girl or her body would have been removed from the house.
Ransom would not have stupid Victory! until money received, if money was the reason.
Note was from original killer, real note . His hate, transparent in every word, was real. He could not stop killing, then could not stop writing.
His writing was ugly, in wordings and style , as his dirty sole. When you put his letters together, their so ugly, like mites!

Thank you for your analysis, it`s deserve good look of experts, real experts, not fake.

 

[Muy Curioso]

If he (or they) wanted money, he would bring ransom printed ahead of time on the computer in the business center.

Not necessarily.

The girl or her body would have been removed from the house.

Maybe that was the original idea. Or he may never have intended to get her out of the house. Too much work and risk.

Ransom would not have stupid Victory! until money received, if money was the reason.


What if he was trying to camouflage his true intentions under political rhetoric?

These are just ideas. Everyone says that the note is very long, but the note is actually just the first half. The second half is a desperate attempt for parents do not call police.

 

[Muy Curioso]

Anyway, I have an open mind on the subject.

 

[Global Justice Ops]

http://kdvr.com/2014/08/06/police-warn-boulder-residents-about-string-of-burglaries/

Crimes that have striking similarities to this one are still occurring in Boulder in the same neighborhood.