Investigative failure?

[southcitymom]

Going by that, how did he fit a camera in there?

Fit a camera in where? In his pants pocket?

 

[BBB167893]

You're right. Modern cameras are little things, aren't they?

 

[exoromeo]

You're right. Modern cameras are little things, aren't they?

By today's standards yes...but what about 1996? Small yes...but not extremely small like a lot of digital cameras and camera/phones are today.

 

[Chrishope]

Although right now it sounds like the guy is just off his nut, if he did do it -it makes sense that he stayed in the house because he had no where else to take her.

That's true. If JMK did it, he had no where to go but the basement.

But why the ransom note?

 

[southcitymom]

You're right. Modern cameras are little things, aren't they?

Yeah, I think you could get small enough camera back then. Who knows, maybe he carried a little black bag with all his stuff in it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Nuisanceposter: you raise an interesting aspect of this case; that JBR appeared to be "wiped down, redressed, and covered up".

I am wondering though, if this isn't part of the guy's (whomever that is) peculiar ritual. The washing and redressing. In a way, it is somewhat symbolic of washing away a "bad/prior act", and returning the child's innocence. And the child is again, perfect.

On a purely speculative note, perhaps this is Karr's calling card. Karr seems to take the time to detail specifics in his resume, about bathing and dressing the baby/children, and them putting them to bed, reading a story, etc. This is, imo, some odd detail for a resume. If other pedo freaks were to read this resume, I speculate that they would contact him. I speculate that was the motive behind being so specific about bathing and dressing the baby or whatever.

I think you're right about the ritual part. In fact, IMO the tape over her mouth, and the remark in the RN about 'proper burial' all adds up to one thing: the perp's idea of respect for the dead.

 

[Texana]

Bloodshoteye: I thought the same thing about the "bathing" on his resume--it is a significantly odd thing to mention--it makes sense as part of an obsessive ritual as you reasoned.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

As a mom myself, I assume he listed the bathing because believe it or not, it's difficult to bathe children. Being a competent and efficient bather of children is a good thing to list on a resume when looking for a nanny job. it's still sorta weird, though.

 

[BloodshotEye]

Totally weird. I bet this guy is a cornucopia of other such compulsive behavior, and given to weird rituals.

About the question: Investigative Failure?
Seems like a number of the media orgs think so...quoting from article:

Media organizations including The Associated Press on Monday asked a judge to unseal the arrest warrant and other documents involving Karr. The filing noted previous mistakes in the Ramsey investigation and said there is ‘‘great public interest’’ in whether Karr’s arrest ‘‘is yet another ‘mistake.’’’ In an Aug. 15 order, Boulder County District Judge Roxanne Bailin ordered case documents sealed

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/in..._id=18561&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

 

[BBB167893]

Nancy Grace had some crime expert on last night, and she confirmed what the FBI told the cops: pedophiles don't leave notes.

As for proper burial, didn't JOHN say something like that?

 

[BloodshotEye]

Former Prosecutor Craig Silverman does not hold back. And his initial impression of how this is going, does not bode well.

California could have kept JMKarr in custody, while DNA analized:
"... the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office could have been notified by Boulder that Karr was in Thailand, and then could have used the California warrant to seek Karr's detention there. Or the Justice Department could have been asked to issue a warrant charging Karr with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, Silverman said. While California or federal officials had him in their custody, evidentiary tests could have been performed that would corroborate Boulder's case against Karr or exclude him, Silverman said. That way the public -- and potential jurors -- would never have known that a suspect was being tracked in the JonBenét case until prosecutors had it nailed down."


Incompetence or Solid Conclusive Evidence?
"But former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman raised questions about the handling of the case. You must conclude either Mary Lacy has solid, conclusive evidence or this is massive prosecutorial incompetence," Silverman said.

Why the DA Moved Now vs. After Evidence was Assessed:
"At a news conference Thursday, Lacy indicated that "exigent circumstances" forced the arrest of Karr to occur before she would have preferred. She did not disclose any of the evidence she has that could tie Karr to the crime. She added that an investigator from her office was dispatched to Bangkok on just a few hours' notice before Karr was picked up at Boulder's request. Lacy's spokeswoman, Carolyn French, reiterated Friday that public safety and fear of flight generally drive decisions on when to arrest someone."


reference: The quotes above, are snippets from this
http://www.denverpost.com/mobile/ci_4206818

 

[Bev]

How many times have LEs interviewed persons they know to have been the perp but can't arrest them for insufficient evidence? There was also "fear lf flight" and "public safety" issues in those cases.

Isn't this the second time Mary Lacy has made a "big event" arrest without evidence? I think there was some football player arrested under similar circumstances and later the charges were dropped.

 

[pinto]

Isn't this the second time Mary Lacy has made a "big event" arrest without evidence? I think there was some football player arrested under similar circumstances and later the charges were dropped.

Yes ... huge SNAFU there ... I do not trust her competency at all. I think she is too emotional ... like a normal person, she decides what happened and then attempts to fit the evidence around it. But the DA shouldn't act normal. LOL.

Edit: I should add that I don't know about arrests ... she was leading a bandwagon against recruiting parties, claiming CU was using sex and alcohol to recruit football players, encouraging women to file suit, etc. It was a witchhunt with no good evidence. I think the only charges filed were some misdemeanor providing-minor-with-alcohol type things.

The university was sued ... no one was charged with assault. A judge threw out the suit.

But eventually the entire administration (practically) was gone: pres, chancellor, athletic director, etc.

 

[aspidistra]

If a sexual sadist did that to JonBenet, it would have been a lot more violent and horrifying. If that crime was committed by a sadist without it being sexual, it would have been a lot more violent and horrifying.

No offense to anyone, but a sadist would have taken from her parents house and tortured her. What we see happened was not the work of any kind of sadist - she was wiped down, redressed, and folded in a blanket! Sadists do NOT take that kind of care with a child they have murdered for revenge.

And a kidnapper would have taken the child, even if she was dead. The RN author was aware of the Rs need to bury JB - if he really wanted revenge and a ransom, he would have taken her with him.

When we say that JBR's killer "would have done this", we are simply going by what we have heard or what we think is likely. It may not make sense to us or to the experts but it either made sense to the killer or it happened due to the circumstances he found himself in. I.e. he changed his mind, changed his plan

The fact is, this Karr person is highly unusual. He's "different than any of us who walk the planet" according to one of the lawyers who talked to him for 7 hours. We already have seen a lot of things come out about his gentle side (wanting to feminize himself so much that he was preparing for a sex change operation; thinking little girls are so pretty and so sweet; saying he has never done anything that is "a no-no" to them) and his violent side (using force and intimidation with his underage wives; being fired for being too strict at one of the Thai schools; rambling in the taped phone call about being afraid she was dead, then bashing in her head). He appears to have a SERIOUS personality disorder. He hasn't been diagnosed yet but even a layman can see that there is something wrong with him. So how can we ever say "the killer WOULDN'T have done this or that?"

 

[BBB167893]

Well, for one thing, it's not "us." It's the FBI profilers.

 

[BloodshotEye]

I sense that Craig Silverman is quietly shaking his head...