• #181
Could you please explain how this was constitutionally agreed to. Doesn't the President have to get approval from Congress before going to war?
(My apologies if I don't fully understand US political systems.)
In the wake of the Vietnam War, Congress sought to claw back some authority by passing the War Powers Resolution of 1973, which sought "... to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution ... and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities." The resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of deploying U.S. forces into hostilities and to end the deployment within 60 days unless Congress authorizes or extends it. It became law after Congress overrode President Nixon's veto.

 
  • #182
It requires no congressional approval. Every President since Harry Truman has launched military action without approval.

And this isn’t a war. It’s a military strike.
So are you saying this isn't war?
I'm curious.
When you attack another nation and their military facilities, isn't that war?

"While presidents have the authority as the commander in chief to conduct certain strategic military operations on their own, the Constitution vests Congress with the power to wage war. "
 
  • #183
Politely, that's semantics.

A missile is a missile, and the damage it does is the same whatever name you put on the action.

MOO

War is a sustained, ongoing conflict.

Afghanistan was a war. Iraq was a war. Vietnam and Korea were wars.

They lasted years.

This will be over in days or weeks.
 
  • #184
Khamenei is gone, but the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) are a major force that could put down a rebellion by the people. They may have a force as large as 125,000, although exact numbers are unknown. The IRGC is an elite class, like the Soviet elites, who will probably fight as hard as they can to maintain their grip on Iranian society and its resources. JMO
We ain’t done yet. I think we’ll use drones to help take out the guard. Moo …
 
  • #185
War is a sustained, ongoing conflict.

Afghanistan was a war. Iraq was a war. Vietnam and Korea were wars.

They lasted years.

This will be over in days or weeks.
So if you can quickly do a war it's not a war. Am I understanding that correctly?
 
  • #186
A concourse at Dubai International Airport (DXB) sustained “minor damage” early on Sunday.

“Four staff sustained injuries and received prompt medical attention,” Dubai Airports said in a statement to CNN.

Most of the terminals were already cleared of passengers as an earlier precautionary measure when the airports were closed on Saturday.

Social media videos verified by CNN show the interior of the airport filled with smoke as dozens of airline employees calmly evacuated the building.

Eyewitnesses have also described to CNN scenes of ambulances rushing toward the airport.

The UAE Ministry of Defense said that although it managed to intercept 195 drones that were launched at the country since the start of Iran’s attack on Saturday, 14 fell within the country’s territories “causing some collateral damage.”

Earlier on Saturday, Dubai Airports issued a statement that said “passengers must not travel to the airport and are advised to contact their airline directly for the latest flight updates.”
 
  • #187
Thread is closed because it is a mess of violations. We may have to go Media only *NO DISCUSSION*

Check back later.
 
  • #188
NO LINK TO SOURCE ... NO POST !!!

If you don't know that a source is approved, don't link to it unless you have pre-approval from either a Mod or an Admin..

No, the social media account of some kid named Brayden is not an approved source.

No, this is not the place to discuss Jeffrey Epstein, Clinton, Obama, Regan or George Washington for that matter.

No, this is not the place to start bickering because you don't agree with someone's opinion. It is their opinion. There is no need to attack another member because they have a different take, a different background, a different whatever, and a different think than you do. (You may quietly sit there and think "Jerk, nincompoop, dumba$$, etc" but you don't get to call them that or argue with them. They think differently than you do !! Just mentally do an eyeroll and move on past.

I'm sure we've missed a lot of violations, but we are reopening the thread in about 10 minutes.

Members who derail the thread will be thread banned.
 
  • #189
Yes, I did forget. Sorry .. real life got in the way.
 
  • #190
  • #191
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Shortly before the United States and Israel were poised to launch an attack on Iran, the C.I.A. zeroed in on the location of perhaps the most important target: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country’s supreme leader.

The C.I.A. had been tracking Ayatollah Khamenei for months, gaining more confidence about his locations and his patterns, according to people familiar with the operation. Then the agency learned that a meeting of top Iranian officials would take place on Saturday morning at a leadership compound in the heart of Tehran. Most critically, the C.I.A. learned that the supreme leader would be at the site.

The United States and Israel decided to adjust the timing of their attack, in part to take advantage of the new intelligence, according to officials with knowledge of the decisions.

The information provided a window of opportunity for the two countries to achieve a critical and early victory: the elimination of top Iranian officials and the killing of Ayatollah Khamenei.

 
  • #192
War is a sustained, ongoing conflict.

Afghanistan was a war. Iraq was a war. Vietnam and Korea were wars.

They lasted years.

This will be over in days or weeks.
People who cover these matters for a living don't necessarily agree.

Ben Knight is an experienced and knowledgeable correspondent who has been based both in Washington and Jerusalem in his career. He uses the word war, and explains why this is going to most likely going to be long, bloody, and messy.


MOO
 
  • #193
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Shortly before the United States and Israel were poised to launch an attack on Iran, the C.I.A. zeroed in on the location of perhaps the most important target: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country’s supreme leader.

The C.I.A. had been tracking Ayatollah Khamenei for months, gaining more confidence about his locations and his patterns, according to people familiar with the operation. Then the agency learned that a meeting of top Iranian officials would take place on Saturday morning at a leadership compound in the heart of Tehran. Most critically, the C.I.A. learned that the supreme leader would be at the site.

The United States and Israel decided to adjust the timing of their attack, in part to take advantage of the new intelligence, according to officials with knowledge of the decisions.

The information provided a window of opportunity for the two countries to achieve a critical and early victory: the elimination of top Iranian officials and the killing of Ayatollah Khamenei.

CIA + Mossad, two of the most amazing intelligence agencies in the world.
 
  • #194
My fervent wish right now, beyond the safety and security of the free world, is about the women and girls in Iran who were born after the repressive Islamist regime.

These women and girls have never experienced a society in which they are not forced to wear certain types of clothing lest some man become overcome with lust. Or to always have their heads covered or their faces hidden if that’s not their choice and be beaten for it. Or to be permitted to go outside without their fathers or brothers or husbands. Or to drive. Or to fall in love with and marry whom they want and at the age they want. I’ve had many 13-year old female students who were sent back to their country (not Iran but Yemen in these cases, although the rules were similar) and forced to marry a much older cousin against their will. Or to become an old man’s 4th wife. Or to determine for themselves how many children they wish to have. Or to be deprived of a higher education because that’s not what women are for in an Islamist regime.

And no more honor killings if a daughter or sister goes astray by trying to refuse the arranged marriages. Or as happened in Saudi Arabia years ago, when the religious police did not allow schoolgirls to leave when their school was on fire because they didn’t have their heads covered in an all-girls classroom, and 15 died.

As a woman, once a wife, still a mother, grandmother and aunt, I so wish for the liberation and freedom from fear that COULD be just over the horizon for them.

LINK IS NOT ABOUT IRAN BUT THE SAUDI GIRLS….SAME PREMISE ABOUT WOMEN AND GIRLS IN A REPRESSIVE ISLAMIST SOCIETY.

 
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  • #195
People who cover these matters for a living don't necessarily agree.

Ben Knight is an experienced and knowledgeable correspondent who has been based both in Washington and Jerusalem in his career. He uses the word war, and explains why this is going to most likely going to be long, bloody, and messy.


MOO
I totally agree with him on this.

So how does this end?​

It's impossible, of course, to say. It may depend on what Trump's real endgame is — and that can change very quickly.

It's hard to see Trump seeing this through to regime change, as remote as that possibility is.
 
  • #196
I totally agree with him on this.

So how does this end?​

It's impossible, of course, to say. It may depend on what Trump's real endgame is — and that can change very quickly.

It's hard to see Trump seeing this through to regime change, as remote as that possibility is.
One of his favoured tactics is to declare a deal has been done, call it a win and move on.

Agreed. Trump has no staying power or attention span, especially if it isn't getting him the kind of feedback or reward he thinks he should be getting from it. And I say that as someone with ADHD. War is never neat and the populace never going to be as adoring as he would want them to be. He'll be on to the next new shiny thing very soon.

Israel is more likely to stay focused, though. They're actually within ballistic range.

MOO
 
  • #197

Iran forms council to temporarily govern Iran after Khamenei’s killing​


That council is enshrined in law in the Islamic Republic. It is made up of Iran’s sitting president, the head of the country’s judiciary and a member of the Guardian Council chosen by Iran’s Expediency Council, which advises the supreme leader and settles disputes with parliament.



Article is only three paragraphs long.
 
  • #198
CIA + Mossad, two of the most amazing intelligence agencies in the world.
They are.

This is one of my favorite Mossad operations. They killed a top nuclear scientist using a robotic, ai aided rifle controlled from a thousand miles away.

They killed him, and his wife and was unharmed.

“Meanwhile, that November, the Mossad’s computerized weapon was affixed to an abandoned-looking car, a blue Nissan Zamyad pickup truck, stationed by Iranian agents working with the Israeli agency at a junction on the main road where drivers heading for Absard had to make a U-turn, according to the report. The truck was laden with a camera and explosives so it could be destroyed after the hit.

When the team got word that Fakhrizadeh was heading out, “the assassin, a skilled sniper, took up his position, calibrated the gun sights, cocked the weapon and lightly touched the trigger” — all from an “undisclosed location thousands of miles away” and no longer in Iran.”

 
  • #199
People and rescue forces work following an Israel strike on a school in Minab, Iran on Saturday.

People and rescue forces work following an Israel strike on a school in Minab, Iran
he number of people killed in a US-Israeli strike on a girls’ school in the southern Iranian city of Minab has risen to 118, Iranian state media reports.

CNN has geolocated video from the scene to the Shajaba Tayyiba School, which sits about 200 feet (61 meters) from an Iranian military base

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Iran’s parents had just dropped their children off for class on Saturday morning when they found themselves racing back to school gates, as bombs began to fall across the country in a joint US-Israel attack.

At one elementary school, according to Iran’s state-controlled media, they arrived to find devastation. At least 80 children had been killed in the strike on Shajareh Tayyebeh girls’ school in Minab, southern Iran, the IRNA news agency reported, with dozens more unaccounted for

In one video circulating on social media, purportedly showing the immediate aftermath of the strike, smoke rises from the burnt-out walls, and debris lies spread across the road. Hundreds of onlookers gathered at the site, some in obvious distress. Screams can be heard in the background. The report of the bombing, its death toll and the video’s source could not immediately be independently verified by the Guardian. Persian factchecking service Factnameh was able to cross-reference the video with other photographs of the school site, and concluded that the video was authentic. Reuters said it had also verified the footage as being from the school.
At least 80 children dead as missile hits school in Iran
 
  • #200
They are.

This is one of my favorite Mossad operations. They killed a top nuclear scientist using a robotic, ai aided rifle controlled from a thousand miles away.

They killed him, and his wife and was unharmed.

“Meanwhile, that November, the Mossad’s computerized weapon was affixed to an abandoned-looking car, a blue Nissan Zamyad pickup truck, stationed by Iranian agents working with the Israeli agency at a junction on the main road where drivers heading for Absard had to make a U-turn, according to the report. The truck was laden with a camera and explosives so it could be destroyed after the hit.

When the team got word that Fakhrizadeh was heading out, “the assassin, a skilled sniper, took up his position, calibrated the gun sights, cocked the weapon and lightly touched the trigger” — all from an “undisclosed location thousands of miles away” and no longer in Iran.”

Makes taking out a school full of kids seem like carelessness, or worse, if they're capable of that kind of precision.

MOO
 

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