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And the Iranian citizens. This is why I shake my head. A tyrant has been removed from this earth, I am grateful and support the mission.
Same, 100%.
 
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2h ago

Just 27% of Americans approve of Iran strikes, poll finds​

Only one in four Americans approves of the US strikes that killed Iran’s leader on Saturday, while about half — including one in four Republicans — believe Trump is too willing to use military force, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that concluded on Sunday.

About 27% of respondents said they approved of the strikes, while 43% disapproved and 29% were not sure. About nine in 10 respondents said they had heard at least a little about the strikes, which began early on Saturday.

About 56% of Americans think Trump, who has also ordered strikes in Venezuela, Syria and Nigeria in recent months, is too willing to use military force to advance US interests. The vast majority of Democrats - 87% - held this view, as did 23% of Republicans and 60% of people who don’t identify with either political party.

The poll, which began on Saturday after the strikes got underway, gathered responses online from 1,282 US adults nationwide. It had a margin of error of three percentage points.

I don't find this hard to believe at all. I don't think most people want more murder and destruction. People also won't like the idea of their children being sent to take part in this and whatever future conflicts the government decides to participate in.
JMO.
 
  • #464
Ok. So you are ok with Iran continuing to commit terror all over the world, continue to build ballistic missiles and suicide drones, and work towards the bomb?

So do nothing?
@MassGuy, with all due respect to you, this is beyond partinship. I HATE this and I worry about all the innocent people (and children) who were dragged into this mess. I’m a pacifist and don’t believe in war for ANY reason. MOO
 
  • #465
And the Iranian citizens. This is why I shake my head. A tyrant has been removed from this earth, I am grateful and support the mission.
Yes, I am also glad that a tyrant has been removed, but at what cost, my friend? How many people have to die? 😢
 
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Yes, I am also glad that a tyrant has been removed, but at what cost, my friend? How many people have to die? 😢
The tyrant killed 30,000 innocent people last month alone.
 
  • #468
I don't like Iran's leadership - I was devastated reading about the mass killing of their citizens recently. And I understand concerns about their nuclear capabilities.

But I just don't want more of our troops to be lost for this. And also billions of dollars spent that could be helping hungry or struggling Americans. I wish we could prioritize our own people first...

In an ideal world just leadership would replace him and we wouldn't have to enter a protracted conflict costing billions but it never seems to work out that way... also children should be left out of it, they are not to blame for the follies of their political leaders...
 
  • #469
Yes, I am also glad that a tyrant has been removed, but at what cost, my friend? How many people have to die? 😢

The cost seems rather huge. The tyrant has been removed. Yet the war goes on.

People are dying and wounded in direct hits. Others are being wounded by debris from missiles being shot down. Infrastructure is being destroyed in at least several countries.

imo
 
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Poll is being aggragated by numerous news sources, not just the Guardian.







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Thank you. Getting deja vu from another thread where no source was ever good enough.
 
  • #471
“America will avenge their deaths and deliver the most punishing blow to the terrorists who have waged war against basically civilization.” Trump said in his remarks. “They have waged war against civilization itself.”

U.S. Central Command announced the deaths of the service members in a post on X Sunday, noting that five other service members were “seriously wounded,” and that several others had sustained “minor shrapnel injuries and concussions.” Those service members are in the process of being returned to duty.

As of Sunday morning, the identities of the service members are being withheld by the command until their families have been notified.

“Major combat operations continue and our response effort is ongoing,” CENTCOM said.

CENTCOM later added the military struck Iran’s ballistic missile facilities, saying in part: “No nation should ever doubt America’s resolve.”

There are now three key questions: How will protesters respond to President Trump’s call to take over the government? Can Iran’s authoritarian system survive? And could the attack unleash a chaotic battle for power?

Mr. Trump and Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, have made public appeals to Iran’s people, arguing that they have offered them a historic opportunity to topple their brutal authoritarian government. How they envision an unarmed population facing down a heavily armed, ideologically driven security force is less clear.

Liberty, in other words, is first a mental commitment.

“The hour of your freedom is at hand,” Mr. Trump told them. “So let’s see how you respond.” In January, he even asked protesters to “take over ... institutions.”

So how have Iranians reacted so far? While the war is far from over, the killing of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday sent people in many cities onto their balconies and into the streets with “a rare mix of jubilation, fear and expectation,” according to the news site Iran International. The New York Times reported people setting off fireworks and honking car horns, yelling “freedom, freedom” with exuberance.

The moment was captured by the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, in a post on the social platform X on Sunday: “What comes next is uncertain. But there is now an open path to a different Iran, one that its people may have greater freedom to shape.”
 
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@MassGuy, with all due respect to you, this is beyond partinship. I HATE this and I worry about all the innocent people (and children) who were dragged into this mess. I’m a pacifist and don’t believe in war for ANY reason. MOO
I think everyone would also love for there to be no war or loss of life ,but terrorists don't respond to negotiations or peace deals. Just as in life there seem to be more and more violent thugs who have no respect for human life.
We have seen what cartels are capable of doing to their fellow men ,the Iranian leaders have been shown to be totally ruthless and barbaric.They are not a peaceful regime.
 
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I think everyone would also love for there to be no war or loss of life ,but terrorists don't respond to negotiations or peace deals. Just as in life there seem to be more and more violent thugs who have no respect for human life.
We have seen what cartels are capable of doing to their fellow men ,the Iranian leaders have been shown to be totally ruthless and barbaric.They are not a peaceful regime.
Skigh, <modsnip>I can agree with you to an extent, but where do we go from here? War is not the answer, and I’m not smart enough to have any suggestions. DM me if you want.
 
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Personally I would love to daydream about a glorious world in which there was no such thing as war, or enemies, or hatred, or prejudice.

But this is not reality. Our actual world is replete with all this endless horror.

It would be phenomenal if everyone would just go to their corners and live and let live. But since we have enemies who consider us the Great Satan, and who have declared death to those who do not believe in their religion, we have to be on guard.

And yes, unfortunately, sometimes it’s kill, or be killed. Like now.
 
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People can keep saying that this is not war, but our president himself essentially called it a war. Granted, what he actually said was that Americans will probably be killed during this mission and that just often happens during war. Many will say it’s just Trump being hyperbolic. I guess we will find out.
 
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The U.S.-Israeli attacks on Iran could severely restrict supplies from a key oil and gas-producing region. Even if the disruption is brief, it will almost certainly make energy more expensive worldwide. The magnitude of those price increases and how long they last will depend on what the United States and Israel do next — and how Iran responds.

The longer that the war disrupts the energy trade, the bigger the risk that consumers will face higher prices, not just at the gas pump but in a broad array of products, at a time when many people are already worried about the economy. That could cause domestic political blowback for President Trump, whose approval ratings have tumbled in part because many Americans are concerned about inflation

Sunday, the flow of tankers carrying energy products through the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow waterway off Iran’s southern coast, had slowed to a trickle. About one-fifth of the world’s oil and a significant amount of natural gas usually pass through the choke point daily.
But in a crucial sign for oil markets, no major energy assets in the region appeared to have been struck as of late Sunday in Iran.

“The biggest question is what, if any, oil installations get damaged,” said Amy Myers Jaffe, director of the Energy, Climate Justice and Sustainability Lab at New York University. “If the answer to that is none, my opinion is the price of oil will come back down.”
 
  • #480
I don't like Iran's leadership - I was devastated reading about the mass killing of their citizens recently. And I understand concerns about their nuclear capabilities.

But I just don't want more of our troops to be lost for this. And also billions of dollars spent that could be helping hungry or struggling Americans. I wish we could prioritize our own people first...

In an ideal world just leadership would replace him and we wouldn't have to enter a protracted conflict costing billions but it never seems to work out that way... also children should be left out of it, they are not to blame for the follies of their political leaders...
I would like to see true change in Iran, but unless we get lucky with this bombing effort, the odds are against it.

IMO: Change in Iran needs to come from within. I don't know if there has even been an ongoing shadow effort to create a true opposition within Iran. It seems like the US mainly "reacts" to Iran. The latest protests have been influenced by Israel. But these are protests, not actual organization. I've been constantly getting Iran (Persian-Parsi) stuff in my FB reels since December. I'm Armenian-American and my algorithm goes to Armenia,Turkey, Iran, Lebanon regional stuff. There is an Armenian dispora in Iran. And there are numerous Armenian-Americans who came to the US after the Iranian revolution. Hence I'm going to get this in my algorithms. There are lots of Israeli sources associated with these protests. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it. (I'm not against this. It's just what I see) It's just going to take more to create a true effective opposition....MOO

History shows that bombing campaigns rarely result in regime changes.

1991 - Operation Desert Storm - Hoping the Iraqi people to take matters into their own hands and force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside. Well, they did uprise and Saddam killed them. AND Iraq consisted of numerous opposition factions. Iran does not! Iran's opposition is mostly disorganized protesters.

Bombings often prompt citizens to turn against the opposition — no matter how much they hate the leader.
 
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