Ireland - Tina Satchwell, 45, Youghal, Co. Cork, 20 March 2017 *arrest*

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And just as a quick follow-up, it looks like Satchwell buried his victim quickly:

The jury also heard that four days after Mr Satchwell said his wife had disappeared, a search was carried out on a laptop at their home for quicklime.

Detective Garda David Kelleher said the user of the computer, which was seized during the search of the house in June 2017, had also watched a YouTube video of water being mixed with quicklime, twice.

Garda in Satchwell case asked about search of Cork home

A senior garda who took over the investigation into the disappearance of Cork woman Tina Satchwell has said she cannot answer why an invasive search of her house in Youghal in Co Cork was not carried out until more than six-and-a-half years after she went missing.

www.rte.ie

Satchwell himself acknowledges the quick timing of the burial, and notes he placed Tina's body in the freezer for a time when all tis was going on.

 

[neteditor]

Could he have initially attacked Tina in the bathroom and then things escalated and moved into the bedroom?

Not impossible, there isn't enough evidence to say whether it's probable IMO (as this stage of the trial anyway).

He replaced the standalone shower with a press. He switched out the bath. He did a lot of "renovating" in the bathroom, that coincidentally would have involved a lot of glass removal, by the sounds of it. And the glass used in the bathroom would probably have been the same type of glass they found in association with Tina's remains, the tempered glass. And RS made this big production out of talking about how it was a ritual for him to draw Tina's bath, probably in an attempt to make it appear "the standard" that he'd be in the bathroom often at the same time as Tina. The remains were so skeletonized by the time they recovered Tina's remains, they can't spot external injuries or marks. (And I'm sure that was his plan all along, to buy time until they wouldn't be able to pinpoint cause of death.)

And thinking through this further, I'm trying to find more information on the robe and pajamas. Basically, these glass shards were pretty large.

They said they were large, but also said they were 2-5mm which, to me, is pretty damn small. I don't know if the evidence was recorded by the reporter incorrectly and they were cm not mm, or what they are comparing them to to describe them as large. For example, if the car windscreen shatters (similarly toughened glass) the shards would be around 5mm, I'd think that's fairly standard not large. This bit of evidence confuses me TBH.

They know generally where on Tina's body they were located. Are there tears in the clothing that correspond to/"line up" with points where the shard were found on her body? The shards weren't all in the scalp. And there exists the possibility, I would think, that he killed her in the shower and dressed her afterwards. We suspect at least that he placed the purse in the robe pocket, correct? Because I doubt she'd naturally have a purse in her robe pocket. (?)

They've said the glass was post mortem. I don't agree with the doubt she'd have her purse in her robe pocket. I wear pyjamas and a robe most of the time at home and I'd have all sorts in my robe pocket, including money (my purse is too big to fit). For example I shoved a 20 euro note into my robe pocket Monday morning to hand to my child as he left for school. Richard went for pizzas on Sunday night, she might have had her purse in her robe then to give him money to pay for those. (I believe she was killed Sunday night but that's JMO as the evidence can't tell us either way.)

Totally agreed with those saying she was planning to leave him, and he'd caught on. But really, it could have been anything he perceived as some insult, and my guess is he'd engaged in long-term abuse of Tina.

JMO, no doubt in my mind at all that this vicious murderer's "renovating" was an attempt to conceal his crimes. This guy's a shameless liar and horror. He'only slightly less crazy than he is dangerous, jmo.

The house was bought as a reno project and work was already being done before this incident, though I've no doubt bricking up the stairs was not in the plans until he needed somewhere to stash her. I believe he intended for her never to be found at all.

Editing to add glass evidence:

Brian Gorey, a forensic scientist with Forensic Science Ireland (FSI), told the court that he had examined 15 diced glass shards which were recovered from the scalp and torso of the remains.

He explained that they were likely to be from the same source and were a sample of heat-treated glass which is often used in side and rear windows of cars, glass tables, exterior windows and shower doors.

He said the glass had very likely been transferred onto the remains shortly before being buried.

He said the glass fragments were large, and between 2-5mm in size.

Glass fragments recovered from Tina Satchwell’s remains, court hears | BreakingNews

The jury at Richard Satchwell’s trial has been watching police interviews from after his wife’s remains were found

www.breakingnews.ie

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

A 5mm shard of glass would probably feel fairly big if you had it embedded in you IMO.

It's possible he swept up shattered glass but missed a few bits and dragged Tina's body across them without realising. JMO

 

[neteditor]

A 5mm shard of glass would probably feel fairly big if you had it embedded in you IMO.

It's possible he swept up shattered glass but missed a few bits and dragged Tina's body across them without realising. JMO

<modsnip - rude> We don't know what they are comparing the size with. I guess it's comparison with the teeny slivers of glass that fly everywhere when you drop a drinking vessel (as compared with toughened safety glass such as this.) As I say, I find that "large" description confusing. It seems a perfectly normal size for shattered safety glass.

Your second point is the most likely explanation IMO. Or for some reason there was glass in the bottom of the freezer, but I can't figure out how that would happen. Shame they don't seem to have located the freezer, the new owner might be able to say.

 

[neteditor]

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[Cartie]

Ah great find well done, that's probably as close as I could expect to my attempt at a lie

I think he likes likes to give subtle hints, thinking he's so clever by not sounding obvious.
Moo

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

<modsnip - rude> We don't know what they are comparing the size with. I guess it's comparison with the teeny slivers of glass that fly everywhere when you drop a drinking vessel (as compared with toughened safety glass such as this.) As I say, I find that "large" description confusing. It seems a perfectly normal size for shattered safety glass.

Your second point is the most likely explanation IMO. Or for some reason there was glass in the bottom of the freezer, but I can't figure out how that would happen. Shame they don't seem to have located the freezer, the new owner might be able to say.

I wasn't speaking about Tina. IMO a glass shard that size would feel large if it was embedded in anyone. Therefore I have no problem with it being described as large.

There may have been a glass shelf in the freezer at some stage that broke or shattered and RS did a shoddy job clearing it out. IMO he didn't do any housework never mind all of it so clearing up wouldn't have been his strong point. JMO

 

[neteditor]

IMO that is just to cause deliberate upset. JMO.

MOO it's to keep the pretence up that she is out there alive somewhere. Disgusting when he knows damn well she's bundled up under his stairs.

 

[su5ie]

Could he have initially attacked Tina in the bathroom and then things escalated and moved into the bedroom? He replaced the standalone shower with a press. He switched out the bath. He did a lot of "renovating" in the bathroom, that coincidentally would have involved a lot of glass removal, by the sounds of it. And the glass used in the bathroom would probably have been the same type of glass they found in association with Tina's remains, the tempered glass. And RS made this big production out of talking about how it was a ritual for him to draw Tina's bath, probably in an attempt to make it appear "the standard" that he'd be in the bathroom often at the same time as Tina. The remains were so skeletonized by the time they recovered Tina's remains, they can't spot external injuries or marks. (And I'm sure that was his plan all along, to buy time until they wouldn't be able to pinpoint cause of death.)

And thinking through this further, I'm trying to find more information on the robe and pajamas. Basically, these glass shards were pretty large. They know generally where on Tina's body they were located. Are there tears in the clothing that correspond to/"line up" with points where the shard were found on her body? The shards weren't all in the scalp. And there exists the possibility, I would think, that he killed her in the shower and dressed her afterwards. We suspect at least that he placed the purse in the robe pocket, correct? Because I doubt she'd naturally have a purse in her robe pocket. (?)

Totally agreed with those saying she was planning to leave him, and he'd caught on. But really, it could have been anything he perceived as some insult, and my guess is he'd engaged in long-term abuse of Tina.

JMO, no doubt in my mind at all that this vicious murderer's "renovating" was an attempt to conceal his crimes. This guy's a shameless liar and horror. He'only slightly less crazy than he is dangerous, jmo.

I personally don't think she was leaving him at all given her conversation atthe carboot re never hurting rs and their was only one man for her . I think since
tina was with RS from a young age ,she was probably conditioned to his ways / abuse . He probably bought her the gifts he mentions so often after arguments or physical abuse inflicted by him onto tina .

Sometimes we have to read between the lines and look at what's not being said and observe the behaviour. RS didn't become a liar and manipulator over night .

If we psychologically analyse this behaviour in relation to relationships we can see atypical red flags in abusive settings

Tina was isolated from family , she had acquaintances not close friends . I imagine rs controlled her .I often wonder was the choice to not have children Richards decision as he brought this up and said it almost as a slur .He phrases it as I gave this up for her .

I think they argued and it escalated .I think he pushed her and if your analysis of the glass is correct and rs did replace the stand alone shower with a press this is definitely the source of the glass shards . I think as the forensic officer stated the dressing gown cord was used to manoeuvre
tinas dead body . I still think RS was triggered by the comment at the carboot sale when tina was asked if she was dressed up for a man on the side

 

[su5ie]

Not impossible, there isn't enough evidence to say whether it's probable IMO (as this stage of the trial anyway).



They said they were large, but also said they were 2-5mm which, to me, is pretty damn small. I don't know if the evidence was recorded by the reporter incorrectly and they were cm not mm, or what they are comparing them to to describe them as large. For example, if the car windscreen shatters (similarly toughened glass) the shards would be around 5mm, I'd think that's fairly standard not large. This bit of evidence confuses me TBH.



They've said the glass was post mortem. I don't agree with the doubt she'd have her purse in her robe pocket. I wear pyjamas and a robe most of the time at home and I'd have all sorts in my robe pocket, including money (my purse is too big to fit). For example I shoved a 20 euro note into my robe pocket Monday morning to hand to my child as he left for school. Richard went for pizzas on Sunday night, she might have had her purse in her robe then to give him money to pay for those. (I believe she was killed Sunday night but that's JMO as the evidence can't tell us either way.)



The house was bought as a reno project and work was already being done before this incident, though I've no doubt bricking up the stairs was not in the plans until he needed somewhere to stash her. I believe he intended for her never to be found at all.

Editing to add glass evidence:

Brian Gorey, a forensic scientist with Forensic Science Ireland (FSI), told the court that he had examined 15 diced glass shards which were recovered from the scalp and torso of the remains.

He explained that they were likely to be from the same source and were a sample of heat-treated glass which is often used in side and rear windows of cars, glass tables, exterior windows and shower doors.

He said the glass had very likely been transferred onto the remains shortly before being buried.

He said the glass fragments were large, and between 2-5mm in size.

Glass fragments recovered from Tina Satchwell’s remains, court hears | BreakingNews

The jury at Richard Satchwell’s trial has been watching police interviews from after his wife’s remains were found

www.breakingnews.ie

Glass shards can be anything from slivers to large dagger like blades . I reckon the reference to large is to clarify that they weren't spinters . I imagine they were cuboid in shape as usually this is how the type of glass they state it is " a heat treated glass " usually shatters .

I also shove all sorts into my dressing gown pockets

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

I personally don't think she was leaving him at all given her conversation atthe carboot re never hurting rs and their was only one man for her . I think since
tina was with RS from a young age ,she was probably conditioned to his ways / abuse . He probably bought her the gifts he mentions so often after arguments or physical abuse inflicted by him onto tina .

Sometimes we have to read between the lines and look at what's not being said and observe the behaviour. RS didn't become a liar and manipulator over night .

If we psychologically analyse this behaviour in relation to relationships we can see atypical red flags in abusive settings

Tina was isolated from family , she had acquaintances not close friends . I imagine rs controlled her .I often wonder was the choice to not have children Richards decision as he brought this up and said it almost as a slur .He phrases it as I gave this up for her .

I think they argued and it escalated .I think he pushed her and if your analysis of the glass is correct and rs did replace the stand alone shower with a press this is definitely the source of the glass shards . I think as the forensic officer stated the dressing gown cord was used to manoeuvre
tinas dead body . I still think RS was triggered by the comment at the carboot sale when tina was asked if she was dressed up for a man on the side

Interesting observation. IMO controlling abusers often accuse their SO of having an affair and start arguments over it, that comment could have given him the excuse to start verbally attacking Tina and then it escalated. Could have happened many times before. JMO

 

[su5ie]

Interesting observation. IMO controlling abusers often accuse their SO of having an affair and start arguments over it, that comment could have given him the excuse to start verbally attacking Tina and then it escalated. Could have happened many times before. JMO

Through Life experience I've observed and heard this accusation many times over a comment made by someone else and it immediately had my spider senses tingling . It could be as simple as the off the cuff remark ." Oh your so beautiful you could have your choice of men ' etc . It's triggering for those with abusive inclinations

The minute rs mentioned that upon seeing Tina living next door to his brother , He had to have her , I knew Tina was a victim of DV .

 

[neteditor]

I personally don't think she was leaving him at all given her conversation atthe carboot re never hurting rs and their was only one man for her . I think since
tina was with RS from a young age ,she was probably conditioned to his ways / abuse . He probably bought her the gifts he mentions so often after arguments or physical abuse inflicted by him onto tina .

Sometimes we have to read between the lines and look at what's not being said and observe the behaviour. RS didn't become a liar and manipulator over night .

If we psychologically analyse this behaviour in relation to relationships we can see atypical red flags in abusive settings

Tina was isolated from family , she had acquaintances not close friends . I imagine rs controlled her .I often wonder was the choice to not have children Richards decision as he brought this up and said it almost as a slur .He phrases it as I gave this up for her .

I think they argued and it escalated .I think he pushed her and if your analysis of the glass is correct and rs did replace the stand alone shower with a press this is definitely the source of the glass shards . I think as the forensic officer stated the dressing gown cord was used to manoeuvre
tinas dead body . I still think RS was triggered by the comment at the carboot sale when tina was asked if she was dressed up for a man on the side

Oooh, food for thought there, nice points.

100% agree with him isolating her (I wonder if she ever wanted to learn to drive and he put her off?). Wasn't allowed friends and those she had were women - was he super jealous? Maybe her comment at the boot sale was to try and avoid his anger later sparked by jealousy? And that escalated at home that night (still fits with my preferred Sunday night death.) I'd say the phone being in his name was so he could check who she spoke to, and probably also the reason she rarely used it and (according to him) often left it at home?

Also crossed my mind that perhaps RS is infertile and Tina did want children but they couldn't? Maybe he's narcissistic enough not to be able to shoulder that (it's a failure in his mind). Perhaps part of why he went to doctors with her, so she couldn't tell anyone she wasn't getting pregnant and find out why? It seemed like Tina wanted "babies" to mind - parrots, dogs, monkeys etc. I know that doesn't necessarily mean they are replacements for actual children, but it does make me wonder. Of course, she'd had a rough experience of "mothers" so it may be that put her off ever being one, but it can also have the opposite effect of wanting to prove you can be a better one than you had? Obviously all crazy speculation and MOO.

I can't help thinking the monkey situation is connected to her death though. Men like RS - controlling like he was - often don't want the partner to be free from their control. Having power over the person is what makes them feel whole. I don't think he would have planned to kill her, his ego needed her under his thumb. So either, as you say, an accident during an escalating fight, or a "if I can't have you nobody can" murder. I'm still leaning toward the latter personally, but I like your reasonings.

(Edit: Apologies to previous two posters, I wrote this blabber before I saw yours re jealousy, totally agree with all you both said and I've also been in and seen others in relationships with that awful dynamic.)

 

[neteditor]

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[su5ie]

Not impossible, there isn't enough evidence to say whether it's probable IMO (as this stage of the trial anyway).



They said they were large, but also said they were 2-5mm which, to me, is pretty damn small. I don't know if the evidence was recorded by the reporter incorrectly and they were cm not mm, or what they are comparing them to to describe them as large. For example, if the car windscreen shatters (similarly toughened glass) the shards would be around 5mm, I'd think that's fairly standard not large. This bit of evidence confuses me TBH.



They've said the glass was post mortem. I don't agree with the doubt she'd have her purse in her robe pocket. I wear pyjamas and a robe most of the time at home and I'd have all sorts in my robe pocket, including money (my purse is too big to fit). For example I shoved a 20 euro note into my robe pocket Monday morning to hand to my child as he left for school. Richard went for pizzas on Sunday night, she might have had her purse in her robe then to give him money to pay for those. (I believe she was killed Sunday night but that's JMO as the evidence can't tell us either way.)



The house was bought as a reno project and work was already being done before this incident, though I've no doubt bricking up the stairs was not in the plans until he needed somewhere to stash her. I believe he intended for her never to be found at all.

Editing to add glass evidence:

Brian Gorey, a forensic scientist with Forensic Science Ireland (FSI), told the court that he had examined 15 diced glass shards which were recovered from the scalp and torso of the remains.

He explained that they were likely to be from the same source and were a sample of heat-treated glass which is often used in side and rear windows of cars, glass tables, exterior windows and shower doors.

He said the glass had very likely been transferred onto the remains shortly before being buried.

He said the glass fragments were large, and between 2-5mm in size.

Glass fragments recovered from Tina Satchwell’s remains, court hears | BreakingNews

The jury at Richard Satchwell’s trial has been watching police interviews from after his wife’s remains were found

www.breakingnews.ie

Unless he tried to wash the evidence off her body post mortem in the
shower and broke the glass . A dead body is heavy so if she slipped from his grip it would be like a brick hitting it moo

 

[su5ie]

Friends, I am dipping out now. My time here is done.

But your posts are so good .

 

[su5ie]

Oooh, food for thought there, nice points.

100% agree with him isolating her (I wonder if she ever wanted to learn to drive and he put her off?). Wasn't allowed friends and those she had were women - was he super jealous? Maybe her comment at the boot sale was to try and avoid his anger later sparked by jealousy? And that escalated at home that night (still fits with my preferred Sunday night death.) I'd say the phone being in his name was so he could check who she spoke to, and probably also the reason she rarely used it and (according to him) often left it at home?

Also crossed my mind that perhaps RS is infertile and Tina did want children but they couldn't? Maybe he's narcissistic enough not to be able to shoulder that (it's a failure in his mind). Perhaps part of why he went to doctors with her, so she couldn't tell anyone she wasn't getting pregnant and find out why? It seemed like Tina wanted "babies" to mind - parrots, dogs, monkeys etc. I know that doesn't necessarily mean they are replacements for actual children, but it does make me wonder. Of course, she'd had a rough experience of "mothers" so it may be that put her off ever being one, but it can also have the opposite effect of wanting to prove you can be a better one than you had? Obviously all crazy speculation and MOO.

I can't help thinking the monkey situation is connected to her death though. Men like RS - controlling like he was - often don't want the partner to be free from their control. Having power over the person is what makes them feel whole. I don't think he would have planned to kill her, his ego needed her under his thumb. So either, as you say, an accident during an escalating fight, or a "if I can't have you nobody can" murder. I'm still leaning toward the latter personally, but I like your reasonings.

(Edit: Apologies to previous two posters, I wrote this blabber before I saw yours re jealousy, totally agree with all you both said and I've also been in and seen others in relationships with that awful dynamic.)

You highlighted another red flag phone being in his name . I sincerely hope LE are as vigilant as we are when it comes to reading between the lines

 

[Skigh]

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Thank you for your time and insightful and informative posts. You will be missed

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Before Tina's remains were discovered, you said he was so obsessed and besotted with her that he couldn't have caused her harm?" asked Mr Grehan. "That was before," replied the witness.

She agreed that Tina was close to her grandmother Florence, as she had effectively raised her. The witness agreed with Mr Grehan that Tina thought her grandmother Florence was her mother for a long time and would have called Florence her mother.

Mr Grehan told the witness: "I think you indicated the only incident you remember is that Tina was given up by her mother Mary Collins and raised by her grandmother Florence?". Counsel put it to Ms Howard that Tina was very resentful when she found out about this. The witness said she couldn't say.

'Very strange': Tina Satchwell's cousin says murder accused offered her freezer he used to store body | BreakingNews.ie

The witness began to cry as she told the trial jury that Richard Satchwell wouldn't 'be the kind to just give stuff'

www.breakingnews.ie

 

[Cartie]

Friends, I am dipping out now. My time here is done.

I have enjoyed reading your post, thank you for the information you posted. Take care