Is a trafficking ring involved in this case?

[miabellamoure]

I just finished watching today's presser and here's what I took from it...

When Stanton said, "We have knowledge of things we wish we didn't know about...", I got a completely different feeling than some of you got in regards to the trafficking of children.

To me, I got the impression that whatever they know so far is not leaning towards a "live" Kyron.

That things we (the public) will learn about later that will make us think about this case after it is concluded might be...just what a cold-hearted person could murder a child and refuse to do the right thing and let LE bring Kyron home.:furious:

I will have to agree...Stanton did choke up a bit.

 

[ami]

I guess I'm not understanding the sex ring connection.

We have a knowledge of things we don't want to know about ... of things we wish we didn't know,

How could Portland LE not know about a child sex ring when it has clearly been in the news? How could they "not want to know" about a sex ring abducting children? I can't imagine they were referring to a sex ring. Not knowing about it, not WANTING to know about it - that doesn't sound like a reasonable response from a law enforcement officer when referring to a child-endangering illegal community....

 

[wondering1]

IMHO, when LE initially referred to this being an isolated incident, they were of the mindset that Terri had abducted Kyron. If Kyron was sold into sexual slavery then the community in which he lives is actively participating -- from the person who sold him, to the person who accepted him, the person or persons abusing him, the person currently holding him. Sexual predators are predators. Multiple people willing to participate in the abduction, sexual torture, and concealment of Kyron is hardly isolated, and regardless of who facilitated the initial abduction, no child in that area is safe if there are those in the community willing to band together to perpetrate that kind of evil onto a defenseless child.

bbm~

Agreed. So if it was a TH abduction...isolated. And regardless of Kyron's fate from there...isolated. At least as to parents who don't involve themselves with human traffickers. Now if the question is whether child selling occurs in Portland, generally, probably (and very unfortunately) . . . not isolated. But it takes a particular person or persons to involve your child in that. So if you're not one of those people...still isolated. jmoo

 

[Jules71]

Let's add up this:

"That they can't let him come home, it just makes me sick," said Desirée amidst tears. "That there's somebody that horrible in this world that he's missing his birthday because they are so selfish that they can't let him come home. That makes me very angry."


http://wilsonville.katu.com/content/kyrons-cake-uncut-when-he-comes-home-he-can-have-his-cake

and this:

For clarity here is the complete quote.
>>Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her... that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her... which is what we suspected<<

hth

and also this - and what does it mean?:

From 8/27 KGW Interview:
When asked about Terri's emails - Desiree says:

Some of the emails were concerning to me, they’re significant in the case. I can’t really talk too much about content or anything of that nature but it wasn’t a surprise I don’t think to any of us... (snipped) Some of the content is concerning. I can’t even put a word to it – just makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[cypress]

Let's add up this:


and this:



and also this - and what does it mean?:

From 8/27 KGW Interview:
When asked about Terri's emails - Desiree says:

Some of the emails were concerning to me, they’re significant in the case. I can’t really talk too much about content or anything of that nature but it wasn’t a surprise I don’t think to any of us... (snipped) Some of the content is concerning. I can’t even put a word to it – just makes me sick to my stomach.

Could this be about Terri's correspondence with Michael Cook?

 

[froginTtown]

I still think that they call it "isolated" is because the child was abducted/kidnapped by someone who knew him... I truely believe the police have evidence of that..!!

or at least enough to believe that...

 

[froginTtown]

Maybe Oprah can shake a branch or two.... or three for that matter....

 

[cluciano63]

fyi--the linked article with video on the "Staton's Last Comment" thread specifically says that the sheriff's office is NOT scaling back the investigation...

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...ons-to-task-force/4Hpc1rxqOkKV5KZa9kIQeA.cspx

..."it's time to scale this down..." and then goes on to say how it is no longer cost-effective to have thia many detectives, etc...

Each article seems to be a little different.

 

[grayjay]

If they had found on Terri's computer that involved kids, she would be arrested.

SBM
Not if she just has photos of a family member but those images are being used or linked in a way we can't quite imagine.

 

[wondering1]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...ons-to-task-force/4Hpc1rxqOkKV5KZa9kIQeA.cspx

..."it's time to scale this down..." and then goes on to say how it is no longer cost-effective to have thia many detectives, etc...

Each article seems to be a little different.

watch the raw video. If he said that, he later emphatically clarified that it was a *focusing* based on what they've ruled in and out to date, and not a scaling down. Makes sense to me. jmoo

 

[Jade2010]

If you go from a staff of X to a staff of 3, you are scaling down.

 

[just]

I don't wish death on Kyron either. And yes, it would take a lot of therapy and a lot of love if he were EVER found. Not many are.
If he has been sold to a sex ring, chances are, he will never be found.

The "people" who do this know how to cover all tracks. ]
JMO

I think they'll find him and those responsible. I realize most children do disappear into these rings, but this case was so high profile so fast...I think DY and KH were saying IMHO only, that TH sold him to a /sex ring or to pay a drug debt, and she's not coming forward because then she goes down. In her mind, (TH) I believe she's still thinking 'prove it' but like DY said, she's very afraid. I also think that TH didn't anticipate this getting so big or that she would be discovered, that only the actual kidnappers (accomplices) might be caught but surely not her...from everything, putting it all together, this version of events makes the most sense to me. I hope that since the case went so high profile so fast that whoever has Kyron hasn't been able to sell him or move him and he's local - Washington maybe - versus my initial hunch of Mexico.

 

[just]

Could this be about Terri's correspondence with Michael Cook?

I really think it's child and/or sex trafficking. What else could be so disturbing? I don't think the police care at all about sexting or find that disturbing. That's simply day in day out - even the most lewd photos between adults. Who cares? I pray to God it's not snuff movies or something along those lines, but IMHO I do not think so. I can see her selling bathtime photos of Kyron and the baby, though. That's disturbing for sure. Maybe she did leave a cyber trail...to the accomplice(s). What do you all think?

 

[miabellamoure]

Let's add up this:


and this:



and also this - and what does it mean?:

From 8/27 KGW Interview:
When asked about Terri's emails - Desiree says:

Some of the emails were concerning to me, they’re significant in the case. I can’t really talk too much about content or anything of that nature but it wasn’t a surprise I don’t think to any of us... (snipped) Some of the content is concerning. I can’t even put a word to it – just makes me sick to my stomach.

Is it possible that Desiree's comments were alluding to possibly that Terri's history of email correspondence to others were "Anti-Desiree" in a bashing sense...like she was two faced?

IF Terri was sending emails with this type of content, it could be seen as a history of resentment brewing. I wouldn't be surprised it LE would show Terri's emails to Desiree and say something like...did you know this is how she REALLY felt about you?

 

[froginTtown]

wow..just wow... my brain is so twisted right now... I've always believed that Kyron is alive...but I was thinking that in a Terri selfish way... That she felt she raised him, and Kaine threatened to take him away from her 100%.. so she convinced people that Kyron would be better off somewhere else.(child underground) I'm not feeling that now... ... I feel the same senerio, but not so much to a GOOD place..

So strange too... I told DH that I felt something was going to happen in Kyrons case 2 days ago... and now this...

I'm saddened... I was one of few holding out hope.. but now, even I wonder the worse..

 

[stmarysmead]

Cypress had an excellent post here concerning Terri's possible unhealthy attitudes toward sex. I certainly agree with that part of her opinion.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108589&page=31

But what if there were sexting that involved more than pictures of Terri herself? What if we have a "Sandra Cantu" situation here? What if these were the "disgusting emails" that Desiree saw? This would explain why they would agree that Baby K was so much improved or changed for the better by being separated from her Mother. This would explain why Terri has basically surrendered Baby K. This would explain the police calling this "isolated."

Is it possible that the fragile bored housewife with unhealthy attitudes toward sex... starts with pictures of herself, to near strangers, sent on the Internet or on her cellphone...then escalates to pictures of the Innocent? Yes, that could be seen as an "isolated incident" by police. Terri is not running a ring from her house...just having some titillating fun as she sees it. Maybe she saw "sexting" as just "pictures" not really child sexual abuse...in the same way sexting her own pictures was just playing not really cheating. She saw the Internet as apart from the reality of her life....just a fantasy reality.

Describing Kyron's "strange behavior" might be a way to trump any story he might tell. Maybe she tells him the pictures are for "the doctor."

An escalation of Terri's sexual recklessness could have come to include the Innocent. From that sharing of pictures with strangers could have come tragedy. The police would believe that if no other parents were behaving as such, there was nothing to fear. No sex ring came stalking for children. The parent in that home set up the chain of events. Therefore it is an "isolated incident."

I believe now Terri will be indicted on some charge in this case without doubt. That's why it is worth every penny of House's retainer to her and her family.

Just my opinions etc. And actually praying this is wrong.

 

[Donjeta]

I have been afraid of that SMM but I'm trying to reassure myself that if they had evidence of graphic minor photos whoever had them would be arrested for possessing them. But maybe not if they're biding their time hoping that person will lead them to something or someone else.

 

[stmarysmead]

I have been afraid of that SMM but I'm trying to reassure myself that if they had evidence of graphic minor photos whoever had them would be arrested for possessing them. But maybe not if they're biding their time hoping that person will lead them to something or someone else.

Me too. I woke up last night thinking of those comments to the effect that Baby K was a changed child now that she is away from Terri. These are terrible scenarios to even consider.

Something is so ...off...in this case.

 

[Kat010]

Yeah, but see how I was critical in the first sentence and then I tried to say something understanding in the second sentence to yin-out my yang and balance my karma? Yet little grasshopper agrees with you Too much PR and missed opportunities for questions.

tee hee, little grasshopper! :dance:

You are so right--too much PR. And some dumb, dumb moves and statements.

For example, the sheriff unloading the goods at this business organization meeting and then--duh! Being surprised that the story explodes. Sheesh. And then having to CYA--especially with the Oprah show coming along--and put together a hasty press conference.

The sheriff has a great fondness for buzz words and phrases that sound slick, but mean not too darned much. He's one heck of a politician, IMHO, and especially when it comes to his own career. And I do not intend that as a compliment. :banghead:

And did I mention that bad journalism really really makes me cranky? From the ditzy reporter who chased TH's closed car and her even ditzier management who promo'd that as "goes face to face" (quote is close) with TH to the bowing down to KH and joining 'his team" to all the backing and filling and PR'ing around for LE, and failure to ask the right questions in the right way, directly, and at the right time, the media in that area has, with the exception of WW, done a (urine)-poor job. Just IMHO.

Frankly, I don't trust Staton as far as I could throw him using my hand with the worst carpal tunnel. Especially with the history of corruption in the sheriff's department (admittedly, before him, two other sheriffs) and Oregon's government, including long-term child sexual abuse. Pffft.

I've discussed the corruption before (and had to buy asbestos undies from Victoria's Secret). And how one reporter, at WW, earned a Pulitzer Prize for digging up some nasty rotting truths.

They need that again, IMHO. Because something is rotten in Denmark--errrr, Portland. And Iago has shown up in this case.

Posted with a curtsey to the bard himself.

 

[mmmagique]

I just finished watching today's presser and here's what I took from it...

When Stanton said, "We have knowledge of things we wish we didn't know about...", I got a completely different feeling than some of you got in regards to the trafficking of children.

To me, I got the impression that whatever they know so far is not leaning towards a "live" Kyron.

That things we (the public) will learn about later that will make us think about this case after it is concluded might be...just what a cold-hearted person could murder a child and refuse to do the right thing and let LE bring Kyron home.:furious:

I will have to agree...Stanton did choke up a bit.

BBM (of course!)

I agree. I believe that what Stanton was referring to was a loss of innocence and trust. First by Kyron, then by those who love him, then by LE, and finally, eventually, to all those who grew to "love" him, even though we never knew him.

I feel this case will affect people the way Diane Down's did. (and still does) Hearts will be broken, and trust lost.

I don't believe, as some have theorized, that they found out about people's fetishes and/or lifestyle issues. LE deals with stuff like that all the time, and it's a rare family/person that doesn't have something that they consider a deep dark secret. (which is probably more normal than they realize.)

No matter what has happened to that little boy, if it was visited on him by someone he loved and trusted, it is the ultimate betrayal, and one no society can let go unpunished.