Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[AZlawyer]

I might have confused myself here, but when did KC possibly show LE a ZG license? Wasn't the ticket for not having a license? Or was it that the doctored license was expired?

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/mycler...b3-c600-4e15-9d8b-4207df02631d&CaseID=5898474


If she did not show a license, then having a ZG ID would not apply to the 05/24 traffic stop.

Right. A bunch of things were getting confused, but the bottom line is it appears that this lead went nowhere anyway.

 

[Just Jayla]

You are very correct. So you'll have to decide how you take the information we've given you considering we're not naming the source. You are free to disregard it if you choose, and it will be understood why. We're just telling you what we've been told, and that's all we can do.

Valhall, did your source mention whether AD/anyone close to the case (I'm not really sure I suspect AD) could be ruled out as having set up the MySpace? In other words, was the information given stated as "KC had no connection to this", or "KC nor anyone she knows had anything to do with this MySpace"? What was your interpretation?

 

[Valhall]

Valhall, did your source mention whether AD/anyone close to the case (I'm not really sure I suspect AD) could be ruled out as having set up the MySpace? In other words, was the information given stated as "KC had no connection to this", or "KC nor anyone she knows had anything to do with this MySpace"? What was your interpretation?

I will attempt to quote as best I can from memory.

Early yesterday (around 10:30 am CT) the source was saying that my tip in February had been overlooked and not followed up on, and that when the latest findings (i.e. the myspace page was definitely created on 6/16/08) were revealed LE was regretful they had lost my tip in the "white noise" of so many tips they had received (and probably are still getting) and hadn't followed up. At that time (prior to noon CT yesterday) they were "jumping through their asses" to get information on this.

About 4 hours later I received a call from the source and was told that my tip, submitted in February, had been followed up thoroughly at that time and that it resulted in the zenaida myspace being determined to have been created by an IP in "southern Florida". The source stated "while IP addresses can be duped" it was assumed to have been sufficiently researched and "her cell phone records do not show a call to the 305 area code" so it most likely was not a matter of her contacting a friend in that area to create the myspace.

While JWG has shared that the same source told him that the userid of the myspace had not turned up in forensic searches on the computer (i.e. the myspace userid was not found)...that has not been stated to me. I actually did not ask any questions, I just listened and said thank you for the information.

I was devastated, but grateful to get the information. I do not want to waste anyone's time - including my own - but more specifically all of yours or LE's.

 

[chefmom]

I will attempt to quote as best I can from memory.

Early yesterday (around 10:30 am CT) the source was saying that my tip in February had been overlooked and not followed up on, and that when the latest findings (i.e. the myspace page was definitely created on 6/16/08) were revealed LE was regretful they had lost my tip in the "white noise" of so many tips they had received (and probably are still getting) and hadn't followed up. At that time (prior to noon CT yesterday) they were "jumping through their asses" to get information on this.

About 4 hours later I received a call from the source and was told that my tip, submitted in February, had been followed up thoroughly at that time and that it resulted in the zenaida myspace being determined to have been created by an IP in "southern Florida". The source stated "while IP addresses can be duped" it was assumed to have been sufficiently researched and "her cell phone records do not show a call to the 305 area code" so it most likely was not a matter of her contacting a friend in that area to create the myspace.

While JWG has shared that the same source told him that the userid of the myspace had not turned up in forensic searches on the computer (i.e. the myspace userid was not found)...that has not been stated to me. I actually did not ask any questions, I just listened and said thank you for the information.

I was devastated, but grateful to get the information. I do not want to waste anyone's time - including my own - but more specifically all of yours or LE's.

Val, :smoochiesmilie:! You did some AWESOME sleuthing on this and we were all very impressed with the way you did it! :bow: Everyone is, of course, disappointed that it turned out to not be true because we were all vested in the fact that it was. Please! Don't let this deter you from the fine sleuthing that you have been doing! Even seasoned agents and detectives have this happen to them. But, if you don't follow the leads and hunches to their inevitable end, we would never figure anything out. So, kudos to you and the others who found this tidbit of info and followed it through to the end! :applause: Keep on sleuthing! :sleuth:

 

[JWG]

Val, :smoochiesmilie:! You did some AWESOME sleuthing on this and we were all very impressed with the way you did it! :bow: Everyone is, of course, disappointed that it turned out to not be true because we were all vested in the fact that it was. Please! Don't let this deter you from the fine sleuthing that you have been doing! Even seasoned agents and detectives have this happen to them. But, if you don't follow the leads and hunches to their inevitable end, we would never figure anything out. So, kudos to you and the others who found this tidbit of info and followed it through to the end! :applause: Keep on sleuthing! :sleuth:

Our "source" even philosophically said (paraphrasing) "I'd rather know the truth and be disappointed than not know what the truth is."

 

[chefmom]

Our "source" even philosophically said (paraphrasing) "I'd rather know the truth and be disappointed than not know what the truth is."

ITA! Even if we don't like the truth, at least we will know what it is. You guys are fantastic at figuring things out! Keep up the good work!

:blowkiss:

 

[BondJamesBond]

Esp. impressed w/ the way this was handled. :thumb: :detective: :clap:

Insofaras nothing is 100% (Cindyism) it is just gonna take some time to sink in that this was all an amazing coincidence.

Personally, I really appreciate all the effort on Val & JWG's part to creatively & thoroughly sleuth this out and keep us informed along the way. I hope both of you realize - regardless of the outcome - that giving this the 'wire brush' really is a great example of seeking justice for Caylee. Really like the source quote too, JWG...very likeminded

 

[Just Jayla]

I will attempt to quote as best I can from memory.

Early yesterday (around 10:30 am CT) the source was saying that my tip in February had been overlooked and not followed up on, and that when the latest findings (i.e. the myspace page was definitely created on 6/16/08) were revealed LE was regretful they had lost my tip in the "white noise" of so many tips they had received (and probably are still getting) and hadn't followed up. At that time (prior to noon CT yesterday) they were "jumping through their asses" to get information on this.

About 4 hours later I received a call from the source and was told that my tip, submitted in February, had been followed up thoroughly at that time and that it resulted in the zenaida myspace being determined to have been created by an IP in "southern Florida". The source stated "while IP addresses can be duped" it was assumed to have been sufficiently researched and "her cell phone records do not show a call to the 305 area code" so it most likely was not a matter of her contacting a friend in that area to create the myspace.

While JWG has shared that the same source told him that the userid of the myspace had not turned up in forensic searches on the computer (i.e. the myspace userid was not found)...that has not been stated to me. I actually did not ask any questions, I just listened and said thank you for the information.

I was devastated, but grateful to get the information. I do not want to waste anyone's time - including my own - but more specifically all of yours or LE's.

Thank you for sharing that....that does not leave a lot of wiggle room-
It does not sound like a "Richard Cain" happened-in other words, it sounds like they gave enough detail to tell us that they did indeed look at it in some detail.
It also seems to rule out a FrankM, or AD, or JG for that matter.

Too bad, my spirits were high on this one, but I think they just landed on my head on their way down

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I so stand in awe of Valhall and those of you who were so intimately involved in discovering all the facts in this thread. After you all put so much time and effort into this discovery I know I can take it to the bank that if you believe your source then I do too. Please don't feel like you have to defend it. And please try not to be devastated because even if it turned out to be a dead end we all still learned a lot! We WSers have been on a wonderful tour of many analytical minds as well as tours of the county clerk's site and how to research almost everything there, a condensed course of computer forensics (I was limping along there at the back of the line), how MySpace works, time zones, cell tower pings and too many other things for my brain to spit out right now. It has been wonderful. So if you sense any frustration from those of us who have been following all your hard work please understand that it's directed not at you but because we, too, thought you had found that perfect piece that completed the ugly puzzle. It seemed to fit just right and bring the entire picture together. If we WSers are so disappointed, I can hardly imagine how you all who have put all the energy into this project must feel. Even though it didn't produce the end result that we had all hoped for it was still a wonderful exercise and produced many beneficial dividends. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

 

[Just Jayla]

I so stand in awe of Valhall and those of you who were so intimately involved in discovering all the facts in this thread. After you all put so much time and effort into this discovery I know I can take it to the bank that if you believe your source then I do too. Please don't feel like you have to defend it. And please try not to be devastated because even if it turned out to be a dead end we all still learned a lot! We WSers have been on a wonderful tour of many analytical minds as well as tours of the county clerk's site and how to research almost everything there, a condensed course of computer forensics (I was limping along there at the back of the line), how MySpace works, time zones, cell tower pings and too many other things for my brain to spit out right now. It has been wonderful. So if you sense any frustration from those of us who have been following all your hard work please understand that it's directed not at you but because we, too, thought you had found that perfect piece that completed the ugly puzzle. It seemed to fit just right and bring the entire picture together. If we WSers are so disappointed, I can hardly imagine how you all who have put all the energy into this project must feel. Even though it didn't produce the end result that we had all hoped for it was still a wonderful exercise and produced many beneficial dividends. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

:clap:

And we are not done! Have to roll up our sleeves and get back to making the Sawgrass connection with ZG. I may be a little more apt now to accept that there are some coincidences in this case, but is the ZG that went to Sawgrass on the 17th of June yet another coincidence?
She still would have a civil case, but from KC's POV, could it be coincidental?

 

[Valhall]

Our "source" even philosophically said (paraphrasing) "I'd rather know the truth and be disappointed than not know what the truth is."

That's weird in a nice kind of way because at the end of the conversation that's pretty much what I told him. "Thank you for calling me and letting me know this. I had hoped this was something that could help, but I really just want to know the truth." And he agreed.

The main reason I was devastated was not so much because it turned out to be nothing (that's bad enough as it is), but it was the 4 hour roller coaster ride of the day. For 4 hours I thought it had never been looked into and there was a big chance, then BAM! the rollercoaster fell plum off the tracks!

haha -

 

[Valhall]

:clap:

And we are not done! Have to roll up our sleeves and get back to making the Sawgrass connection with ZG. I may be a little more apt now to accept that there are some coincidences in this case, but is the ZG that went to Sawgrass on the 17th of June yet another coincidence?
She still would have a civil case, but from KC's POV, could it be coincidental?

IF there is a real connection (i.e. KC had foreknowledge that ZFG was going to be there), I think our best bet at finding out how is in a chunk of discovery that has yet to be released...

the full activity log from their ISP - Bright House. I'm going to have to be doubly disappointed if there isn't some very telling nuggets in that log.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

IF there is a real connection (i.e. KC had foreknowledge that ZFG was going to be there), I think our best bet at finding out how is in a chunk of discovery that has yet to be released...

the full activity log from their ISP - Bright House. I'm going to have to be doubly disappointed if there isn't some very telling nuggets in that log.

Look at that picture of CA you have there on your space, that's how I looked yesterday after reading that all your great sleuthing had been debunked! :furious:

I had been thinking "finally there is evidence to bring forth the truth." :blowkiss:

:waitasec: Then, dum.dum.da.dum., the CA look came over me!!!!

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

I will attempt to quote as best I can from memory.

Early yesterday (around 10:30 am CT) the source was saying that my tip in February had been overlooked and not followed up on, and that when the latest findings (i.e. the myspace page was definitely created on 6/16/08) were revealed LE was regretful they had lost my tip in the "white noise" of so many tips they had received (and probably are still getting) and hadn't followed up. At that time (prior to noon CT yesterday) they were "jumping through their asses" to get information on this.

About 4 hours later I received a call from the source and was told that my tip, submitted in February, had been followed up thoroughly at that time and that it resulted in the zenaida myspace being determined to have been created by an IP in "southern Florida". The source stated "while IP addresses can be duped" it was assumed to have been sufficiently researched and "her cell phone records do not show a call to the 305 area code" so it most likely was not a matter of her contacting a friend in that area to create the myspace.

While JWG has shared that the same source told him that the userid of the myspace had not turned up in forensic searches on the computer (i.e. the myspace userid was not found)...that has not been stated to me. I actually did not ask any questions, I just listened and said thank you for the information.

I was devastated, but grateful to get the information. I do not want to waste anyone's time - including my own - but more specifically all of yours or LE's.

Thanks Val.

Although I/we have no right to know who your source is, I think I understand now who it is.

Well, maybe I don't know who, but I get where and which agency this person represents.

The point is, I have complete faith in your source now. Thank you for sharing. :biggrin:

 

[Tulessa]

Well he's done his research wonder if he's a member here...even filmed the home the PI videoed and knew who the previous owners were there as well and the backyard looks cleaned up.
Wonder when Part 3 of the Casey Tour of Orlando will be posted?

Here's his site.

Sorry if it's been posted already.



http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/

 

[Valhall]

So...maybe this subject isn't dead.

There is a suspicion - held by at least myself - that after we contacted OCSO at the first of September, they did, in fact, look into the myspace page. And, there is a suspicion - held by at least myself - that maybe we were misled so that they could have time to look into it.

There's been a development, if you will, in the past week. The zenaida myspace

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=389838213

has changed.

Note that the video link that was formerly present (which would lead you to a video comment area where you could post a comment without being approved as a friend - like two men, including marinadedave did)...

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/CMA/zenaidamyspace090109.jpg

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/CMA/zenaidamyspacevideocomments.jpg

Is no longer there...

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/CMA/zenaidavideos.jpg

So you can't even get to the location where the comments could be made and were made.

I spoke to my friend in computer forensics and he said the first thing that is done in a computer or cyber forensics investigation is to "freeze" the files so that no contamination can take place once the investigation has started.

Maybe they have.

 

[Reagan]

Thanks for the info. I hope computer forensics guy is right. I thought this had to be more than a coincidence, and was very disappointed when it was said to be disproved (I never read the in-depth answer as to why though)

I assume this zenaida myspace was checked on quite often. Enough to notice if that video link has remained there since the creation of it (or a month or so later when sleuthers found it) and noticed that it is no longer valid for the first time.

I'm curious as to what made you take another look at the zenaida myspace when it was supposedly determined it had no relation to KC?

 

[darnudes]

You know what, I bet there is something in this. Not that I doubted you and JWG at the time but I just didn't think it had been cleared up enough for my liking. I won't be satisfied until the trial and it all comes out or not.

My money is still on that Casey made this page.

 

[Valhall]

Thanks for the info. I hope computer forensics guy is right. I thought this had to be more than a coincidence, and was very disappointed when it was said to be disproved (I never read the in-depth answer as to why though)

I assume this zenaida myspace was checked on quite often. Enough to notice if that video link has remained there since the creation of it (or a month or so later when sleuthers found it) and noticed that it is no longer valid for the first time.

I'm curious as to what made you take another look at the zenaida myspace when it was supposedly determined it had no relation to KC?

I've checked it at least once a week even.. . I noticed the video link was gone Friday and I got hold of JWG. He has been checking the site weekly as well... So he thinks it was around Wednesday when he checked it and the videos link was still there.

P.S. Because my hinky meter went off with the abrupt change of story concerning the myspace. Then when Tracy McLaughlin stated KC had spent her days at JB's office on myspace, my head started hurting.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Valhall: I did not follow this discussion of your sleuthing when it was first posted, but nothing is over until it's over. There may still be something strange going on here.

You may feel this didn't go anywhere, or was a dead end. But you still raised some important questions about the whole Zenaida question and the way Casey was trying to "invent" a different persona.

I've been around Websleuths long enough to realize that time spent talking about a great theory is never wasted because it's a learning experience. The stuff people learned from your research might help solve the next crime that comes along, or save a child who is still alive.