Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[Valhall]

Question for Valhall/JWG:

If KC was logging into this Myspace page from JB's office, would Myspace have a record of her logging in from JB's IP address? Sorry if this is dumb question but I know absolutely nothing techie about these things.

TIA!

Possibly. There are statements made on myspace that the IP information for activity OTHER THAN CREATION data can be discarded if the account goes 90 days inactive. So...whether the log in(s) after the creation date are still in the myspace IP data is unknown at this time. If they are...then, yes, it will track back to JB's office.

 

[Mosby]

Possibly. There are statements made on myspace that the IP information for activity OTHER THAN CREATION data can be discarded if the account goes 90 days inactive. So...whether the log in(s) after the creation date are still in the myspace IP data is unknown at this time. If they are...then, yes, it will track back to JB's office.

Thanks so much for answering so quickly. I will keep my fingers crossed in the hopes that if this is KC (which I've always thought it was) that the info will still be available, or better yet, LE already has it. How great would that be!

 

[banzai]

I apologize if this has already been discussed.
I was reading back on LA's 1st sworn interview with LE from 29-Jul-08 this morning and even back then, it appears that LE was aware that KC was somewhat computer savvy. They were discussing the deleted emails and photos and these interesting comments ensued from LE.

snipped... (underlined by me)

EE: I am going to tell you a few things that I am just am questioning. Your sister sporadically visits her Photo Bucket from another persons account and enters numerous photos into her Photo Bucket account, not utilizing her computer.

LA: Not utilizing the laptop?
EE: Correct.
LA: Okay.
EE: So she still has a laptop but, and this is prior to it crashing.
LA: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: There's Photo Bucket entries all the way up to the 15th of July.
LA: Hmm.

EE: But not made over her laptop. Made over a, a uh, service of another person. Does that make any sense to you?

here's the link, pdf begin page 56 line 19

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

 

[texaslb218]

I apologize if this has already been discussed.
I was reading back on LA's 1st sworn interview with LE from 29-Jul-08 this morning and even back then, it appears that LE was aware that KC was somewhat computer savvy. They were discussing the deleted emails and photos and these interesting comments ensued from LE.

snipped... (underlined by me)

EE: I am going to tell you a few things that I am just am questioning. Your sister sporadically visits her Photo Bucket from another persons account and enters numerous photos into her Photo Bucket account, not utilizing her computer.

LA: Not utilizing the laptop?
EE: Correct.
LA: Okay.
EE: So she still has a laptop but, and this is prior to it crashing.
LA: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: There's Photo Bucket entries all the way up to the 15th of July.
LA: Hmm.

EE: But not made over her laptop. Made over a, a uh, service of another person. Does that make any sense to you?

here's the link, pdf begin page 56 line 19

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

WOW! This seems to fit right in with the other specualtion on a fake ZFG netpage.

 

[Just Jayla]

So...maybe this subject isn't dead.

There is a suspicion - held by at least myself - that after we contacted OCSO at the first of September, they did, in fact, look into the myspace page. And, there is a suspicion - held by at least myself - that maybe we were misled so that they could have time to look into it.

There's been a development, if you will, in the past week. The zenaida myspace

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=389838213

has changed.

Note that the video link that was formerly present (which would lead you to a video comment area where you could post a comment without being approved as a friend - like two men, including marinadedave did)...

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/CMA/zenaidamyspace090109.jpg

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/CMA/zenaidamyspacevideocomments.jpg

Is no longer there...

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/CMA/zenaidavideos.jpg

So you can't even get to the location where the comments could be made and were made.

I spoke to my friend in computer forensics and he said the first thing that is done in a computer or cyber forensics investigation is to "freeze" the files so that no contamination can take place once the investigation has started.

Maybe they have.

Agh! I don't want to get my hopes up again, I have to remember what JWG pointed out when I asked him if LE could be fudging....and that is, why would the source lie (or be lied to), if the presumption is that the source is directly in contact with the true procedures they are performing at OCSO?
I may be misconstruing what JWG was saying, or what your source was drawing his info from....Would like to believe that OCSO did cover this up because it is information that CANNOT be released to the public before trial (I'm thinkin the judge would seal this faster than I can type s-e-a-l )

ETA-Although, why seal at this point? It's out there, baby!

 

[Just Jayla]

Sometime Monday through Wednesday. It had gotten to the point where I did it almost absent-mindedly. The link into the video page where the comments could be seen was stored in my "Last 7 days" history, so I clicked on it after Val told me the videos page link was missing, and I got the following:

View attachment 5840



The problem is the use of Foxy Proxy still requires someone like Casey to go out and find an anonymous proxy server located in Miami, FL and then configure Firefox to use that server. That's a lot harder than one might think, and I don't know that KC would have gone to the trouble. After all, this is a girl that did not pay a lot of attention to the uniqueness of the duct tape she used - which she took from the garage and then put back in the garage for George to later use on Caylee posters.

The only reason I can see for us being told the IP address was Miami was to get us to quit talking about the site long enough for the proper paperwork to be filed to get the site locked down. I am sure they were afraid someone might post more comments or, worse, attempt to figure out what email address and password was used to register the site, then log in. Clearly extraordinary action was taken, because that link simply does not vanish without the owner logging in !

JWG, I am wondering how this may lead back to JT's shop, her looking for a monitor....She's not a gamer that I know of, and she was not linking the computer to a projector, so what's the deal with her hardware needs in, perhaps, relation to this?

ETA-Or if not in relaton to this, in relation to her degree of computer savviness...

 

[JWG]

I apologize if this has already been discussed.
I was reading back on LA's 1st sworn interview with LE from 29-Jul-08 this morning and even back then, it appears that LE was aware that KC was somewhat computer savvy. They were discussing the deleted emails and photos and these interesting comments ensued from LE.

snipped... (underlined by me)

EE: I am going to tell you a few things that I am just am questioning. Your sister sporadically visits her Photo Bucket from another persons account and enters numerous photos into her Photo Bucket account, not utilizing her computer.

LA: Not utilizing the laptop?
EE: Correct.
LA: Okay.
EE: So she still has a laptop but, and this is prior to it crashing.
LA: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: There's Photo Bucket entries all the way up to the 15th of July.
LA: Hmm.

EE: But not made over her laptop. Made over a, a uh, service of another person. Does that make any sense to you?

here's the link, pdf begin page 56 line 19

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

Great observation, banzai. :clap:

I had not recalled that discussion, but it is certainly interesting. I do recall seeing a Photobucket document listing the IP addresses from which KC uploaded her pictures, and the majority came from Tony's apartment. What EE is saying, I think, is that copies of the images could not be found on her computer. :waitasec: AFAIK, LE did not examine a computer from Tony's.

Clearly, though, she was using the laptop while at Tony's, because the internet history shows lots of activity on the days leading up to July 15, although her internet history prior to July 3 or 4 seems to have been largely wiped. :doh:

Kind of makes you think she knew she'd left some incriminating tracks out on the internet and was trying to cover them. :bang:

 

[cecybeans]

I wish EE was a little more precise in his terminology. I am not sure from the words "account" and "service" what he means. If that laptop had wireless capacity, she could have been at Starbucks or Borders and logged in with their IP address or any number of others. It doesn't sound from the above as if EE understands that IP address is simply location.

If she was using a web-based program like Photobucket, she may have been able to access her personal account through another person's account (like CA's) if she had the password, similar to the social networking sites. Or maybe she simply used CA's account.

I agree that kind of activity, and trying to wipe her internet history off would indicate she was trying to operate in stealth mode.

 

[KenoshaKid]

I wish EE was a little more precise in his terminology. I am not sure from the words "account" and "service" what he means. If that laptop had wireless capacity, she could have been at Starbucks or Borders and logged in with their IP address or any number of others. It doesn't sound from the above as if EE understands that IP address is simply location.

If she was using a web-based program like Photobucket, she may have been able to access her personal account through another person's account (like CA's) if she had the password, similar to the social networking sites. Or maybe she simply used CA's account.

I agree that kind of activity, and trying to wipe her internet history off would indicate she was trying to operate in stealth mode.

BBM

Yes, but stealth mode from whom? If she really was computer savvy AND watched all those CSI shows, surely she knew that didn't do Jack-squat to cover her tracks if the pros got ahold of her computer. It might cover her tracks with a lightweight like her Mom.

Here where I work we have the hard drives SHREDDED before computers are surplussed, just in case a doofus provider saved patient data to the hard drive, because we know that in the right hands and with the right software, data can be retrieved.

Now, blue-screening the laptop before the cops got there, that was more of a move in the right direction for stealth mode. Sledge-hammer would have been a better move.

 

[cecybeans]

BBM

Yes, but stealth mode from whom? If she really was computer savvy AND watched all those CSI shows, surely she knew that didn't do Jack-squat to cover her tracks if the pros got ahold of her computer. It might cover her tracks with a lightweight like her Mom.

Here where I work we have the hard drives SHREDDED before computers are surplussed, just in case a doofus provider saved patient data to the hard drive, because we know that in the right hands and with the right software, data can be retrieved.

Now, blue-screening the laptop before the cops got there, that was more of a move in the right direction for stealth mode. Sledge-hammer would have been a better move.

Stealth mode from CA was all I think KC anticipated. She is used to operating carte blanche just using convoluted lies. She was actually shocked when Lee told her what the cops would ask, and I don't think she anticipated that they would have the right to make her produce her child simply on CA's "whim". I believe she planned to admit that Caylee was gone at a later date, and at a time of her own choosing.

Also, I'm not convinced that KC did the blue-screen bit. Her mom hauled her out of there too quickly, and she had no notice from Amy as far as we know. Lee was over there for two hours and he may have been deleting things he thought were incriminating about KC's activities so that her parents wouldn't see them. He is not the brightest bulb or he would have just taken the hard drive out and smashed it in the driveway and ran over it a few times.

 

[faefrost]

You don't learn to be a master criminal watching CSI. You just think you might be clever.

Regardless, these changes to that web site might not be LE related. The site could also have been locked down in response to an action in the civil ZFG case. It is safe to assume that that site would be of interest to the plaintiff and her attorneys.

 

[cecybeans]

You don't learn to be a master criminal watching CSI. You just think you might be clever.

Regardless, these changes to that web site might not be LE related. The site could also have been locked down in response to an action in the civil ZFG case. It is safe to assume that that site would be of interest to the plaintiff and her attorneys.

Very true! We know that Morgan was informed by our sly sleuthers. I think he keeps himself informed on all things ZFG. Having his people do due diligence on that matter would certainly help the stretched resources of the state right now. CA did not know who she was fooling with when she called him an ambulance chaser. He knows how to incapacitate a Doberman!

 

[SCSam]

Very true! We know that Morgan was informed by our sly sleuthers. I think he keeps himself informed on all things ZFG. Having his people do due diligence on that matter would certainly help the stretched resources of the state right now. CA did not know who she was fooling with when she called him an ambulance chaser. He knows how to incapacitate a Doberman!

She CERTAINLY didn't know about Websleuths!

 

[KenoshaKid]

Stealth mode from CA was all I think KC anticipated. She is used to operating carte blanche just using convoluted lies. She was actually shocked when Lee told her what the cops would ask, and I don't think she anticipated that they would have the right to make her produce her child simply on CA's "whim". I believe she planned to admit that Caylee was gone at a later date, and at a time of her own choosing.

Also, I'm not convinced that KC did the blue-screen bit. Her mom hauled her out of there too quickly, and she had no notice from Amy as far as we know. Lee was over there for two hours and he may have been deleting things he thought were incriminating about KC's activities so that her parents wouldn't see them. He is not the brightest bulb or he would have just taken the hard drive out and smashed it in the driveway and ran over it a few times.

Oh, I agree with you, Cecy. I think she told Lee to haul ash over there to take care of the deed for her. I often wonder if that's what LE meant by their comment that he knows what he's done. :innocent:

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Stealth mode from CA was all I think KC anticipated. She is used to operating carte blanche just using convoluted lies. She was actually shocked when Lee told her what the cops would ask, and I don't think she anticipated that they would have the right to make her produce her child simply on CA's "whim". I believe she planned to admit that Caylee was gone at a later date, and at a time of her own choosing.

Also, I'm not convinced that KC did the blue-screen bit. Her mom hauled her out of there too quickly, and she had no notice from Amy as far as we know. Lee was over there for two hours and he may have been deleting things he thought were incriminating about KC's activities so that her parents wouldn't see them. He is not the brightest bulb or he would have just taken the hard drive out and smashed it in the driveway and ran over it a few times.

I always had a feeling that Casey did the BSOD. And when I found the following in Cindy's depo (part 2) I thought it may have been enough warning for Casey to have gone to work on the blue screen:

 

[kew17]

Great observation, banzai. :clap:

I had not recalled that discussion, but it is certainly interesting. I do recall seeing a Photobucket document listing the IP addresses from which KC uploaded her pictures, and the majority came from Tony's apartment. What EE is saying, I think, is that copies of the images could not be found on her computer. :waitasec: AFAIK, LE did not examine a computer from Tony's.

Clearly, though, she was using the laptop while at Tony's, because the internet history shows lots of activity on the days leading up to July 15, although her internet history prior to July 3 or 4 seems to have been largely wiped. :doh:

Kind of makes you think she knew she'd left some incriminating tracks out on the internet and was trying to cover them. :bang:

Great job JWG and Valhall and all who have contributed to this wonderful thread!

Question: Would "timer55" come into play at all here. I'm no puter xpert, but understood it to be an "away" type message or computer code. Could that be connected to her accessing accounts from an alternate location? Just a thought and like I said, I'm not computer savy.

 

[cecybeans]

I always had a feeling that Casey did the BSOD. And when I found the following in Cindy's depo (part 2) I thought it may have been enough warning for Casey to have gone to work on the blue screen:

If CA called and left that message, I'll bet you're right. My problem is that I never know if CA is telling the truth about anything. It would certainly make sense that KC was deleting stuff she did in June and July if she got a heads up from her mom and thought she might have to leave town (although why she wouldn't just steal the computer is beyond me). I doubt Lee would know too much about whatever she was up to. Maybe. Darn that duplicitous family! There are always eighteen different scenarios that are possible any time any of them open their mouths!

 

[BAHD]

It seems to me that whenever a thread like this gets too close to the truth, someone has to put a damper on it. Didn't the same thing happen with the NG thread? I think that someone doesn't want us to go there!

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Coming on here tonight and seeing this..........just made my day. I recall the day/night that Val told us that the zenaida myspace page had been investigated and the word was it was not related.......I, along w/ everyone, felt like a deflated balloon. I accepted it, but it didn't go away for me. I thought it was too pat of an answer from the source. Val, I went and read your posting on thehinkymeter, and besides THANK YOU!!!, I wanted to comment on something...to recap.....you said that the source first said that LE was excited, said they had missed your tip, then less than a day later, the source said that the tip had been investigated, but it didn't pan out---no connection. A retraction, in essence. I'm not buying that. My gut (FWIW) tells me the first information that JWG and you received is the truth. The "retraction" is a smoke screen.

But, thank you, thank you, thank you to Val and JWG for keeping on point with this. I think it's huge.

 

[Imbackon]

Great job JWG and Valhall and all who have contributed to this wonderful thread!

Question: Would "timer55" come into play at all here. I'm no puter xpert, but understood it to be an "away" type message or computer code. Could that be connected to her accessing accounts from an alternate location? Just a thought and like I said, I'm not computer savy.

I think another poster back aways said Timer55 might be some software that makes it appear like you are logged on and doing some activity when you are actually away.
Whereas the proxy stuff refers to faking your ISP.