Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[Valhall]

According to the original poster, it was a real driver's license obtained from the DMV using false documentation, not one some computer guru made up in their basement.

Yes, this driver's license IS in the Florida DMV database.

 

[Meemom]

I think I'll say it a little clearer *dawns Captain Obvious cape*...

What are the odds that the most important "name" in this murder trial appears to be a now 23 year old woman who never lived at the address given on her driver's license, has never lived anywhere else that would put her on utility bill list, updated DMV record, alumni list, ANYTHING, but some how was running around in Orlando just a few months ago and now has fallen off the face of the earth. What are the odds that at this time that this woman who has been for all intents and purposes nonexistent since getting her driver's license has now disappeared...and decided she really doesn't need a driver's license.

I don't know what the odds are because it appears to be beyond my probability calculator because it doesn't go past astronomical.

I've had the theory for quite a while that KC may have been involved in or been around an idenity theft ring. Florida, like California, is a prime location for false/stolen idenity info due to influx of illegals. Car dealerships are a prime location for obtaining this info, since they can access credit info, get necessary info from potential buyers, etc. Many of these idenity thieves start very young, with their first objective being false ID's to get served in bars, liquor stores, etc. Some go on to use the false id's or sell them to others. Some start once they realize they have access to info needed to create stolen idenities. I still think one reason we have not seen certain witness interviews, etc., is because LE has an ongoing investigation into something like this, that originated with info they obtained from some witnesses/evidence in this case....maybe even the license/ card/id that the officer snatched 7/15 or 7/16 from KC's wallet that was behind her DL (mentioned in CA or LA's interview and not heard about since- CA took the $, then LE saw something behind the DL and snatched it before CA or LA saw what it was).

For those who think this id theft stuff is farfetched- it's not...my son had his idenity stolen while in college in California over 10 yrs ago. He didn't even know until he decided to stay in Calif and applied for a Calif license to replace Maryland one. Was told that he already had one and that he lived in northern Calif, not L.A.!! By the time he got that straight, there were several more IDs out their with his name, dob, ss#, etc. thoughout Calif and Nevada, etc., including traffic violations, tickets, defaulted credit cards etc. There are STILL versions of him that show up every once in a while, and he has to constantly be on guard and check all his records constantly, to make sure some bozo in Texas or Oregon hasn't gotten a FTA warrant or anything else illegally in his name!

ETA- As near as LE could figure- his info was hacked from a college database!

 

[enzeder]

way early post

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2396370&highlight=zenaida+myspace#post2396370

Following on from the link which you posted I came across this post.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2396105&postcount=285

Also does anyone know if this the same person?

[[Stephyyy]]♥ (MySpace)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=29472255

ETA - Just found this - Stephyyy is a different Stephanie

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3239915&postcount=4

 

[Chilly Willy]

Well, first of all, I never force anything on anyone else, so I'm okay with you having the difficult time. But to clear something up...there is no proof she appeared with council. It is required to list council on the docket...no council is listed.

And it does make sense, and it has been discussed several times right here. She was fingerprinted. It was in her best interest to establish a fine payment plan, pay it, and let it go away...otherwise she would have a criminal record (bench warrant) with her fingerprint associated with it.

IF it was KC, the only thing that got in the way of it "going away" was being incarcerated for murder...she couldn't pay the fine payments anymore.

It states very clearly on the court docket that "defendant was represented by counsel in open court".

Where can I find the information that there was actually a valid driver's license issued by the DMV to this person? Why wouldn't the person simply bring the license into court and have the charges dismissed? Many of the links in your original posts don't work.

 

[Valhall]

It states very clearly on the court docket that "defendant was represented by counsel in open court".

Where can I find the information that there was actually a valid driver's license issued by the DMV to this person? Why wouldn't the person simply bring the license into court and have the charges dismissed? Many of the links in your original posts don't work.

No counsel is listed. The name of the counsel is required.

If you have the ability to access the Florida DMV database you can verify for yourself. I can't help you there...I can just say I can.

The person couldn't bring the ID to court because it was expired. They had no valid driver's license to produce anymore and couldn't get it renewed because of the new Florida laws to verify SSN.

Hope that helps.

 

[Jaboom97]

From the court paperwork for 6/11-it states she was not represented by counsel. It is checked marked present and waived the right to counsel.

The signed court document can be found here(toward the bottom of the search for Gonzalez, Zenaida:

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/web/login.jsp

The other posters have pointed out the reason for payment on 7/15 due to previous fingerprinting--plus the $250.00 AH Check was cashed at a BOFA near the OC Clerks Office. I am sure there are videos of the payment--unsure if those have been saved or not by the Clerks Office...$140.00 up to $200.00 was later being reported being repossessed by CA when KC's purse was rifled through when it was brought home.

I think the $100.00 pmt in August was done just to keep the ticket off the radars of the media as this information was provided to LE by someone else back in late July/August after this case hit the mainstream media...the caveat was made that if LE didn't want this out in the media they needed to do something to prevent a bench warrant from being issued...

 

[Chilly Willy]

From the court paperwork for 6/11-it states she was not represented by counsel. It is checked marked present and waived the right to counsel.

The signed court document can be found here(toward the bottom of the search for Gonzalez, Zenaida:

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/web/login.jsp

The other posters have pointed out the reason for payment on 7/15 due to previous fingerprinting--plus the $250.00 AH Check was cashed at a BOFA near the OC Clerks Office. I am sure there are videos of the payment--unsure if those have been saved or not by the Clerks Office...$140.00 up to $200.00 was later being reported being repossessed by CA when KC's purse was rifled through when it was brought home.

I think the $100.00 pmt in August was done just to keep the ticket off the radars of the media as this information was provided to LE by someone else back in late July/August after this case hit the mainstream media...the caveat was made that if LE didn't want this out in the media they needed to do something to prevent a bench warrant from being issued...

That document does say that she waived right to counsel, so we have two different versions...who knows? When would she have been fingerprinted? At the time the ticket was issued?

 

[MarleneM]

That document does say that she waived right to counsel, so we have two different versions...who knows? When would she have been fingerprinted? At the time the ticket was issued?

The answer to your question is on page 1 of this thread, post #7.

 

[Chilly Willy]

The answer to your question is on page 1 of this thread, post #7.

Thanks. The fingerprinting would have been done when the ticket was issued.

I just can't see this ZG being Casey. Putting aside the idea that a 17 year old girl would be able to, or have motive to, create identification documents realistic enough to fool the DVM, and to get a license without providing a social security number, why wouldn't Casey (if it were her) simply have given the officer her real driver's license and avoided this mess all together?

 

[Jaboom97]

IMO she did it to create a file for ZFG-i.e. to put her plan in action...At this time I feel is when she decided she would make it appear there was a ZFG so in the eyes of LE possibly this ZFG did exists, if and when Casey would have to start the infamous story we are all familiar with...she never expected or contended the fact she would be arrested for lying by underestimating the investigative techniques used by LE.

Secondly,it could also shed some light as to why a payment was made on 7/15-to create the illusion that payments were being made on the docket and then they stop all of a sudden-- perhaps to support her soon to be allegations to the fact ZFG left town supposedly with Caylee.

 

[Chilly Willy]

IMO she did it to create a file for ZFG-i.e. to put her plan in action...At this time I feel is when she decided she would make it appear there was a ZFG so in the eyes of LE possibly this ZFG did exists, if and when Casey would have to start the infamous story we are all familiar with...she never expected or contended the fact she would be arrested for lying by underestimating the investigative techniques used by LE.

Secondly,it could also shed some light as to why a payment was made on 7/15-to create the illusion that payments were being made on the docket and then they stop all of a sudden-- perhaps to support her soon to be allegations to the fact ZFG left town supposedly with Caylee.

You believe that Casey was planning to murder Caylee and blame it on ZG two years before Caylee was born?

 

[Jaboom97]

However, I don't think she was the one who created or obtained the DL-but at that age 17/18 she might have heard how to obtain said faux/illegal drivers license. I am not saying that's how it happened I am just saying I think it could be in the realm of possibility. It just makes one wonder what was actually snatched by LE from her purse resembling a DL on the night of the 15th of July.

 

[Chilly Willy]

However, I don't think she was the one who created or obtained the DL-but at that age 17/18 she might have heard how to obtain said faux/illegal drivers license. I am not saying that's how it happened I am just saying I think it could be in the realm of possibility. It just makes one wonder what was actually snatched by LE from her purse resembling a DL on the night of the 15th of July.

Thanks again. It appears you were answering my question at the same time that I was typing it.

 

[Jaboom97]

No not at all-using the name in itself does not create motive or premeditation for such purposes as sneaking into clubs etc-but it would create a more recent notion that once she puts her plan in action it becomes premeditated such as oh well here goes nothing and she uses the information for purposes of getting pulled over well knowing this would start a ZG file that she could attempt to manipulate to support her claims that the Nanny stole her baby- i.e. the first time she makes the BOLD statement that ZFG took Caylee.

Like many people who concoct stories to mitigate damages to oneself-there has to be pre-planning.(at least to appear semi-believable-in which it didn't work for KC one bit)

She in all essence had the so called rights to said name using it years before Caylee was conceived-she knew this person didn't exist-wasn't in any databses-knew well enough that the name is a common Hispanic name in area that has a large Hispanic population legal and illegal,however what she lacked in rational thinking and behavior is that we live in a foolproof society in which there is no such thing as the perfect crime and her downfall was assuming LE would believe such a story without having corroborating evidence to support her claims.
To conclude this diatribe-I believe she had the name had been using the name for other non threatening crimes-but once she had decided to go ahead with her master plan to rid herself of her daughter whenever the inception of this occurred is/will be left up for speculation because the true person that knows the actual answer is incarcerated in the OC jail as inmate # 08049710.

 

[Jaboom97]

Your welcome Chilly hope you all have a good evening. Keep up the sleuthing all!!!!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

But, as someone stated earlier, it could have been that when she was stopped by the police (if it was Casey) she accidentally pulled out the wrong DL. It could have just been a simple mistake ~ and then she had to go through all the rigmarole to keep her prints out of the system.

 

[Chilly Willy]

No not at all-using the name in itself does not create motive or premeditation for such purposes as sneaking into clubs etc-but it would create a more recent notion that once she puts her plan in action it becomes premeditated such as oh well here goes nothing and she uses the information for purposes of getting pulled over well knowing this would start a ZG file that she could attempt to manipulate to support her claims that the Nanny stole her baby- i.e. the first time she makes the BOLD statement that ZFG took Caylee.

Like many people who concoct stories to mitigate damages to oneself-there has to be pre-planning.(at least to appear semi-believable-in which it didn't work for KC one bit)

She in all essence had the so called rights to said name using it years before Caylee was conceived-she knew this person didn't exist-wasn't in any databses-knew well enough that the name is a common Hispanic name in area that has a large Hispanic population legal and illegal,however what she lacked in rational thinking and behavior is that we live in a foolproof society in which there is no such thing as the perfect crime and her downfall was assuming LE would believe such a story without having corroborating evidence to support her claims.
To conclude this diatribe-I believe she had the name had been using the name for other non threatening crimes-but once she had decided to go ahead with her master plan to rid herself of her daughter whenever the inception of this occurred is/will be left up for speculation because the true person that knows the actual answer is incarcerated in the OC jail as inmate # 08049710.

I understand, but why would Casey have created this persona in the first place? To get into clubs? The persona was only 3 months older than Casey. Why create a false ID at 17 that would allow her to get into clubs 4 years later and only 3 months before she could legally do it anyway?

 

[Chilly Willy]

But, as someone stated earlier, it could have been that when she was stopped by the police (if it was Casey) she accidentally pulled out the wrong DL. It could have just been a simple mistake ~ and then she had to go through all the rigmarole to keep her prints out of the system.

She was ticketed and fingerprinted because she didn't have a license, so it wasn't because she pulled out the wrong one.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

She was ticketed and fingerprinted because she didn't have a license, so it wasn't because she pulled out the wrong one.

What? I thought she presented an invalid license with ZG's name on it. No?

 

[Chilly Willy]

What? I thought she presented an invalid license with ZG's name on it. No?

No. She was pulled over for running an intersection and was unable to produce a license.