Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[Valhall]

No. She was pulled over for running an intersection and was unable to produce a license.

I agree.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

No. She was pulled over for running an intersection and was unable to produce a license.

All the references that I've read say she had no valid license ~ Not that she was unable to produce a license. I have copied and pasted this from the first post on this thread:

"Maybe LE will also be able to explain why on 09/11/08 a previous traffic citation KC received on 08/04/03 for not possessing a valid driver's license, and which was marked as satisfied and dismissed on 08/12/03 when she did produce her driver's license, was changed from a "dismissed" status to "prosecutorial". Did they find that on 8/12/03 she had two driver's licenses, one with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez"? Possessing two driver's licenses in Florida is a felony offense.

Did KC run with people who had two driver's licenses? Yes...Lauren Coppel was stopped on 10/14/04 for DUI and subsequently also received a citation for "possessing more than one valid Florida driver's license"...she had to lawyer up to get out of that one."

There have been several references to two driver's licenses and speculation about the fact that, based on the fictitious DOB on the ZG license, it is possible that it could have been expired at the time the ticket was issued.

If she were carrying them both she could have pulled the wrong one out.

 

[Chilly Willy]

All the references that I've read say she had no valid license ~ Not that she was unable to produce a license. I have copied and pasted this from the first post on this thread:

"Maybe LE will also be able to explain why on 09/11/08 a previous traffic citation KC received on 08/04/03 for not possessing a valid driver's license, and which was marked as satisfied and dismissed on 08/12/03 when she did produce her driver's license, was changed from a "dismissed" status to "prosecutorial". Did they find that on 8/12/03 she had two driver's licenses, one with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez"? Possessing two driver's licenses in Florida is a felony offense.

Did KC run with people who had two driver's licenses? Yes...Lauren Coppel was stopped on 10/14/04 for DUI and subsequently also received a citation for "possessing more than one valid Florida driver's license"...she had to lawyer up to get out of that one."

There have been several references to two driver's licenses and speculation about the fact that, based on the fictitious DOB on the ZG license, it is possible that it could have been expired at the time the ticket was issued.

If she were carrying them both she could have pulled the wrong one out.

Okay, I see where the confusion is. What's being discussed is ZG being pulled over in 2008. She did not have a license in her possession and was unable to produce one in court at her arraignment. There is speculation that ZG might actually have been Casey.

When Casey was pulled over in 2003, she did not have a valid driver's license in her possession, but was able to produce one in court and have the citation dismissed. That ticket was written in Casey's name and it was her own driver's license that was produced. She did not pull out the wrong license.

 

[MarleneM]

I wonder what a credit bureau report would look like if one used the information listed on the ZG DL?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Okay, I see where the confusion is. What's being discussed is ZG being pulled over in 2008. She did not have a license in her possession and was unable to produce one in court at her arraignment. There is speculation that ZG might actually have been Casey.

When Casey was pulled over in 2003, she did not have a valid driver's license in her possession, but was able to produce one in court and have the citation dismissed. That ticket was written in Casey's name and it was her own driver's license that was produced. She did not pull out the wrong license.

Neither one of us knows which it was for sure ~ unless you have found somewhere where it says she produced no license. I am just speculating based on what I have read and tried to follow up on and verify. You may well be right. Have you found that anywhere?

 

[Chilly Willy]

Neither one of us knows which it was for sure ~ unless you have found somewhere where it says she produced no license. I am just speculating based on what I have read and tried to follow up on and verify. You may well be right. Have you found that anywhere?

You've totally lost me. This was your original question:

"What? I thought she presented an invalid license with ZG's name on it. No?"

Are you talking about the 2008 citation ZG received? I suppose, if that's the case, she could have produced an invalid license, but what would make it invalid? Expired? Usually a ticket would be written for driving with an expired license, not an invalid one. However, if that was the case, why not spend the $25 or so and have it renewed to take into court for the arraignment? For what other reasons would a license be considered invalid? Identity fraud? Instant arrest, I would think.

Casey has never, to our knowledge, produced a license in the name of ZG.

 

[Valhall]

Neither one of us knows which it was for sure ~ unless you have found somewhere where it says she produced no license. I am just speculating based on what I have read and tried to follow up on and verify. You may well be right. Have you found that anywhere?

I personally do not believe a DL was produced on 05/24/08. I believe the "ZG22" stated she did not have her driver's license, gave her name and dob (01/11/86). She got a citation for not have a valid driver's license, was fingerprinted...etc.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I personally do not believe a DL was produced on 05/24/08. I believe the "ZG22" stated she did not have her driver's license, gave her name and dob (01/11/86). She got a citation for not have a valid driver's license, was fingerprinted...etc.

Valhall, I'm not understanding (obviously). :0)

If she didn't really have the driver's license, then how in the world could she have ever known that there was someone named ZG, born on 01/11/86 who had one? What am I not understanding here?

 

[MAMABEAR]

On 6/11/08, 22 year old ZG appeared at an arraignment in court represented by counsel.

On 7/15/08, 22 year old ZG made a $50 payment toward her fines.

On 8/15/08, 22 year old ZG made a $100 payment toward her fines.

I have a very difficult time believing that Casey, or anyone, would appear in court with counsel to fight a traffic citation they received while using a fraudulent license with a false name and a false address. Why appear at all if the court doesn't know who you are and you could be risking numerous felony charges if caught? It makes no sense.

Wouldn't make sense if you had that ID in your wallet and you wanted to keep it clean because you were fixin to hit the road and use that "clean" ID

 

[FX Wiz]

We gotta add a few things to that timeline too. On June 10th a young woman was murdered in Blanchard park. She was a grad student helping counsel troubled families at UCF

(http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65962

A composite sketch of a person seen near the park was put out, and it looks eerily like LA
http://.net/index.php?topic=4198.1740

On June 16th Channel 9, the most widely watched newscasters on Central Fla aired a story about the FBI doing forensics in Blanchard park to find clues re N. Ganduzza murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16623103/detail.html

Could LA & KS be evil partners in crime against humanity? Did CA really see a therapist at UCF? Did KS want her bumped off and LA does her bidding? Did Lee try incest with KS when they were little and KS knows he's a perv but still trusted him to babysit (explains where baby was on dates that aren't accounted for) and she's covering for him? Isn't it better if only one of them took the rap rather than both, and that's his secret CMA promise, and is why KS said to her parents on jail video "well at least you have Lee"?

 

[Valhall]

Valhall, I'm not understanding (obviously). :0)

If she didn't really have the driver's license, then how in the world could she have ever known that there was someone named ZG, born on 01/11/86 who had one? What am I not understanding here?

I think who ever was stopped on 05/24/08 had the ID, but they didn't present it. That, or they did produce it and the officer didn't confiscate the expired ID. I more lean toward the first, though.

I'm not saying she (the person stopped on 05/24/08 - possibly KC) didn't have the ID on her, I'm saying they didn't produce it to the officer because it was expired.

 

[RR0004]

We gotta add a few things to that timeline too. On June 10th a young woman was murdered in Blanchard park. She was a grad student helping counsel troubled families at UCF

(http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65962

A composite sketch of a person seen near the park was put out, and it looks eerily like LA
http://.net/index.php?topic=4198.1740

On June 16th Channel 9, the most widely watched newscasters on Central Fla aired a story about the FBI doing forensics in Blanchard park to find clues re N. Ganduzza murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16623103/detail.html

Could LA & KS be evil partners in crime against humanity? Did CA really see a therapist at UCF? Did KS want her bumped off and LA does her bidding? Did Lee try incest with KS when they were little and KS knows he's a perv but still trusted him to babysit (explains where baby was on dates that aren't accounted for) and she's covering for him? Isn't it better if only one of them took the rap rather than both, and that's his secret CMA promise, and is why KS said to her parents on jail video "well at least you have Lee"?

This is a good idea for a "soap"...and I mean that in a good way. It has all the necessary twists and turns.

 

[RR0004]

I understand, but why would Casey have created this persona in the first place? To get into clubs? The persona was only 3 months older than Casey. Why create a false ID at 17 that would allow her to get into clubs 4 years later and only 3 months before she could legally do it anyway?

Not sure, but back before I was legal (and it was 18yo in my state) 3 months was a big deal.

 

[RR0004]

I wonder what a credit bureau report would look like if one used the information listed on the ZG DL?

Now, that's a very good question.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

OK. I researched it and it wasn't an expired license. There's a separate statute that is cited for expired DL, not 322.03(1) which is for "without valid DL" (which covers not producing DL and DL suspended). So that clears that question up. But leaves me confused about what advantage she would gain, then, by claiming she was ZG.

 

[MAMABEAR]

:waitasec:

Something is coming together and it is being discussed on 3-4 different threads. Does anybody else see this?

 

[LisaNY]

OK. I researched it and it wasn't an expired license. There's a separate statute that is cited for expired DL, not 322.03(1) which is for "without valid DL" (which covers not producing DL and DL suspended). So that clears that question up. But leaves me confused about what advantage she would gain, then, by claiming she was ZG.

Bold & red by me. I don't know how car insurance works in fl, but here in NY, if one of my kids gets a moving violation (citation), MY car insurance goes up temendously. KC did have other traffic violations in the past, if ca gave her a hard time about it, I could see why she would not want any other tickets on her "real" license. I can also understand why she would have paid the fine as zg22. This could explain why she had the "fake" id from the start.

moo

 

[LisaNY]

:waitasec:

Something is coming together and it is being discussed on 3-4 different threads. Does anybody else see this?

Mamabear, I am on the late bus lately. Please point me to the chatter so I can keep up.

 

[MAMABEAR]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3405856&posted=1#post3405856

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80784&page=7

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3405869&posted=1#post3405869

 

[Avid Reader]

:waitasec:

Something is coming together and it is being discussed on 3-4 different threads. Does anybody else see this?

I'm lost. Can you give me a hint? Thanks!