Is George lying?

[katydid23]

I not only think George is lying, I think the whole Anthony family is.

The one thing I do not believe is that George sexually molested Casey.

I believe with everything in me that the family found out early on that Caylee was deceased. I believe they were all in a state of shock and covered for Casey. The lies and coverup just got bigger and bigger and more out of control. I listened to the jailhouse tapes with the thought that they all knew Caylee was gone.

I do think George did help Casey coverup what she had done. How do you explain a decomposing body in your trunk? You coverup and say that Caylee was kidnapped. 911 was not called and told there had been an accident, and then could not be called at a point later on and told there had been an accident because the body would have been at a stage of decomposition. While I have used the word accident, I really do not believe it was an accident. I think Casey told her family it was, though.

I listened to the jail tapes with all of that in mind, and it does make sense to me that the family was covering for Casey. Even Lee had stated that he had located a couple of the people that we now know were made up. The whole family did sworn depositions and could not change their testimony on the stand at trial. I think they have all lied and all covered for Casey and were locked into it now.

I do feel that Cindys' grief was real on that witness stand. It was two-fold in that she lost a granddaughter she dearly loved and has now lost her daughter as well. I do pity all of them because of the love I know they had for Caylee.

Do I think George has lied? Yes, I do. He could not come forward in the past because it would nail Casey as well as himself. If any truth is ever told, it will be after the trial and George will do it, or really kill himself this time.

I think George, Cindy, and Lee should be charged with Obstruction.IF George helped Casey dispose of Caylee, then I hope he is charged as an accomplice. George and Cindy knew the smell of decomposition. This whole family will have to live in torment their entire lives because of what Casey has done. While I do have a level of compassion for them, I cannot and will not forget their actions during this entire time.

Sorry for the long post here, folks. I know there is probably not one person that agrees with me on this and that is fine. I want justice for little Caylee no matter what.

MOO

BBM

Do you think that George helped dispose of a dead child on the morning of the 16th and then went off to his job @ 2:30 as if nothing happened?

I do not think he is capable of that because he is such an emotional guy. Casey could do that, imo, but not George.

 

[pip]

BBM

Do you think that George helped dispose of a dead child on the morning of the 16th and then went off to his job @ 2:30 as if nothing happened?

I do not think he is capable of that because he is such an emotional guy. Casey could do that, imo, but not George.

I don't think so either. I do believe he assisted in the coverup for ICA with CA and LA starting July 15th.

 

[panthera]

The reason I feel George is lying or covering up something is because of the jailhouse tapes. Why should there be anything that can't be discussed openly, even knowing they are being taped, if there was nothing to hide? And yet he more than once made it sound as though they should not speak openly on that phone. If they truly believed she was innocent, both parents sure acted awfully guarded and suspicious in the jail visits and George especially came off to me as trying to make sure she did not say the wrong thing.

I believe he knew everything was being recorded and could be brought out at trial - as we have witnessed.

I do not believe he molested Casey, nor was involved in Caylee's death in any manner, or in a cover up to conceal her death.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

The reason I feel George is lying or covering up something is because of the jailhouse tapes. Why should there be anything that can't be discussed openly, even knowing they are being taped, if there was nothing to hide? And yet he more than once made it sound as though they should not speak openly on that phone. If they truly believed she was innocent, both parents sure acted awfully guarded and suspicious in the jail visits and George especially came off to me as trying to make sure she did not say the wrong thing.

Early on Casey told her family that Caylee's safety depended upon Casey's silence. She made it sound like Caylee was being held by some one that would possibly return her in the future, but only if Casey did what she was told. So the family was scared and confused, although still very skeptical and suspicious. So they tried not to do or say anything that would put Caylee in harm's way.
George had doubts but he also knew Casey lied and stole from people so he thought it might be possible that someone took the child to punish Casey over a bad debt or something like that. The family wanted to believe that situation over the nagging fear they had that Casey was guilty herself, imo.

 

[Donjeta]

I think that if GA had had anything to do with the disposal of the victim Caylee wouldn't have been found so close to the Anthony home. It seems unlikely that a nanny kidnapper would return her victim to the woods nearby her home.

 

[allycat1208]

I think GA may have told certain untruths and if so I think he did so to protect KC from a severe penalty rather than because of his involvement, which I don't believe he had knowledge as to what happened to Caylee before July 15th. On the subject of what Caylee was wearing: I don't care if he was a detective...why would he remember what Caylee was wearing? I mean he was not a detective at the time when Caylee was missing so he would be thinking like a detective. Was it ever confirmed that Caylee was wearing what GA said she was wearing? Its hard to know what to believe. He supposedly told River Cruz that there was an accident, but never said what kind of an accident and never said that KC told him there was an accident. He may have said that because he wanted to believe there was an accident and not a murder. That in itself is not exactly a lie but a belief. Even what GA may thinks he remembers as to what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her is just what he thinks. Again, its not exactly a lie, just his mind thinking he remembers certain things as true.

 

[kathyn2]

Speaking of Casey out in a hotel parking lot on the 15th.... Where does law endorcement and her parents say she was on the evening of the 15th?? How come LE isn't bringing out the big fight that someone told Padilla about?

 

[PalmettoGirl]

As for GA remembering what Caylee wore that day, I often wonder if it wasn't something pointed out by one of them that morning. Maybe he bought her the shirt. Maybe she said, "Hey JoJo, do you like my clothes today?" or something along those lines. IMO there was something special about those clothes.

 

[kathyn2]

Also, was Caylee found with any clothing? Was it the clothing GA said she had on when she left home on the 16th? I forget all these details..

 

[Leila]

Im a lurker mostly... I want to thank you all for your wonderful insight and just being here.

I cant hep but think George was "Hinky" at best on the stand. All of his answers (And I cant remember verbatim but...) Didnt he answer all of the questions concerning the morning of June 16. in "General" terms.... Like "I usually wake up right after Cindy "Would" leave"
"I usually give Caylee Breakfast" etc.
IMHO he never answered the question specifically about that day other that the way over the top description of what Caylee was wearing. I find it so oddd that he is so general with his answers about the happenings of the day and so specific about Caylees clothing. It doesnt fit.

I was looking @ the timeline over at A candy Rose and the general answers he gives in the first hearing ias the same and are just not sounding truthful.

From the beginning I have thought Casey killed her child, IDK if accidental drowning or something more sinister. But I do think George knows a LOT more OR he is scared that Casey knows something on him. He has always struck me as a <mod snip> but now Im thinking why is he lying.
Your thoughts?

In this case, I don't think George is lying.

Each one of us has a daily routine beginning when we get up in the morning and ending when we go to bed at night. What we do in between those two things is what we consider our normal routine.

George had no way of knowing on June 16th that it would be the last time he saw Caylee. And it wasn't until a month later that he would know that June 16th was the last time he saw Caylee. Each day during that month he kept expecting that Casey and Caylee would be home that day or the next. There was the expectation that both would come home soon.

It wasn't until July 15th when he learned Caylee was missing, that he had to think backwards to remember the last day he saw Caylee. As far as he could remember there was nothing unusual that would make that day stand out. It was a usual day in which he followed his daily routine. So what George described was what a typical or routine day was like in the Anthony household.

I think if any one of us were pressed to describe what we were doing exactly one month ago, we'd have difficulty remembering every little detail.

I do feel, however, that George's description of what both Casey and Caylee were wearing was a major stretch. For the same reasons I gave above, it would be difficult for any of us to describe exactly what we were wearing a month ago.

 

[Tuffy]

Also, was Caylee found with any clothing? Was it the clothing GA said she had on when she left home on the 16th? I forget all these details..

Caylee was found with the pink, "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages" t-shirt, and denim shorts.

The one she's wearing in this picture:

http://i36.tinypic.com/258ow12.jpg

 

[pip]

I think George repeated what ICA told him she was wearing on the 16th from her written statement, or they asked her. I don't believe any of them saw her on the 16th. They lied because Cindy did not want to make ICA suspect by admitting there was a fight on the 15th in which ICA left angry with Caylee. The lie was proven, imo, when Caylee was found in the woods still wearing her outfit from the 15th.

 

[TxJan1971]

Speaking of Casey out in a hotel parking lot on the 15th.... Where does law endorcement and her parents say she was on the evening of the 15th?? How come LE isn't bringing out the big fight that someone told Padilla about?

BBM. Apparently Lee also told Jesse Grund about the fight (Cindy choking Casey) as reported by Jesse's father to YM. See link - Page 45 --- lots of good reading !!!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

 

[Chili Fries]

As for GA remembering what Caylee wore that day, I often wonder if it wasn't something pointed out by one of them that morning. Maybe he bought her the shirt. Maybe she said, "Hey JoJo, do you like my clothes today?" or something along those lines. IMO there was something special about those clothes.

Maybe so, or maybe it's just him making up details to give the prosecution what he thinks they want. Like testifying that Caylee told him she was excited to see Zanny when he told the FBI that Caylee had never spoken of Zanny.

It does seem to me that at least some of George's insincerity on the stand came from him trying to play the perfect defense witness role. Maybe he's real passive aggressive in general...he overdoes it trying to please everybody until he eventually erupts in anger or acts out in some way.

I can't understand how either of Casey's parents didn't realize she is a pathological liar. I don't believe her lying behavior sprung up overnight. I'm sure when Casey was growing up that Cindy and George knew in their hearts how crazy she is, even if they didn't want to admit it. What gets me most about this is why they didn't keep a closer eye on her, especially with regards to Casey leaving Caylee with a nanny Cindy and George had never met (and I mean before Caylee went missing) but that goes to the heart of the enabling and is something they will probably never get over.

 

[jane the dood]

The whole family pretty much gives me the willies. SO much dysfunction!

CA has been in control of her parents for years; she's a spoiled brat and a bully. Not to mention a liar. When GA was testifying about finding out that CA was pregnant and he was so "thrilled" and didn't really care who the father was ....I mean....REALLY? Puh-leeze. And Cindy - a nurse - didn't know her skinny daughter was pregnant until the last trimester? Puh-leeze. Picking up the stinking car from impound and then spraying it with Febreeze? Puh-leeze! These people are in DEEP denial. I think there are many secrets in the Anthony household. And I'm not sure about Lee...there's just something about him that seems...untrustworthy.

HOWEVER...I don't believe GA ever sexually molested his daughter. That's fiction, imo ... something CA came up because, in CA's World, nothing is ever her fault!
:worms:

 

[my2sense]

Early on Casey told her family that Caylee's safety depended upon Casey's silence. She made it sound like Caylee was being held by some one that would possibly return her in the future, but only if Casey did what she was told. So the family was scared and confused, although still very skeptical and suspicious. So they tried not to do or say anything that would put Caylee in harm's way.
George had doubts but he also knew Casey lied and stole from people so he thought it might be possible that someone took the child to punish Casey over a bad debt or something like that. The family wanted to believe that situation over the nagging fear they had that Casey was guilty herself, imo.

I don't know if they necessarily believed they were going to be harmed ---- but they did know that they had to play along with ICA's story if they had any hope of getting a hint of where Caylee was.

 

[jane the dood]

Maybe so, or maybe it's just him making up details to give the prosecution what he thinks they want. Like testifying that Caylee told him she was excited to see Zanny when he told the FBI that Caylee had never spoken of Zanny.

It does seem to me that at least some of George's insincerity on the stand came from him trying to play the perfect defense witness role. Maybe he's real passive aggressive in general...he overdoes it trying to please everybody until he eventually erupts in anger or acts out in some way.

I can't understand how either of Casey's parents didn't realize she is a pathological liar. I don't believe her lying behavior sprung up overnight. I'm sure when Casey was growing up that Cindy and George knew in their hearts how crazy she is, even if they didn't want to admit it. What gets me most about this is why they didn't keep a closer eye on her, especially with regards to Casey leaving Caylee with a nanny Cindy and George had never met (and I mean before Caylee went missing) but that goes to the heart of the enabling and is something they will probably never get over.

:goodpost:

Passive aggressive...that's it! I agree 100% about that.

 

[kathryann]

Casey was used to getting her own way and is still trying to get her own way. Her hands are betraying her. What happens when she gets upset in court? Her hands start pinching up and numb? IMO They are her weapons and she can't stand them. She covers them with sweaters and blouses and whatever she can. She twists and wrings them. What happened with those hands? She doesn't like those hands.

I never thought of it this way. I thought it was quite curious that she is always wringing her hands and covering them up, yes I agree she does hate those hands, and it's her subconscious telling the truth.

 

[MissJames]

I'm afraid there's a lot to this case we will never know.
The A's got 4 bat phones when ICA was out of jail.
I believe they did what they did for their family,but they created a mess when they decided to use deception.
I am so glad they are sticking with their initial story at trial.The spins and creations they came up with in the last 3 years are left behind,for now,anyway. I am sure they are all in a world of hurt,but they only added to it for a very long time.
Again,I don't believe anyone is involved in Caylee's murder but ICA.I think she,alone drove around with Caylee's body and dumped her on Suburban in a panic.
But the A's know what they've done and they have to live with it.

I do hope they will have jobs,and joyous times and more grandchildren. There,but for the Grace of God,go I.

 

[LaLaw2000]

BBM

Do you think that George helped dispose of a dead child on the morning of the 16th and then went off to his job @ 2:30 as if nothing happened?

I do not think he is capable of that because he is such an emotional guy. Casey could do that, imo, but not George.

No, I do not believe George helped Casey dispose of little Caylee on the morning of the 16th. I do believe he did days later because of the state of decomposition. I do think he and Casey thought up Caylee being disposed of making it look like a kidnapping was the best thing to do at that point.

George was not an emotional guy for the 10 years he was in LE. You cannot be. He saw and dealt with a lot really bad and morbid things, IMO. He also came to know what decomposition smells like. If he is so emotional now, it is because the horrible things that happened were personal this time.

I think George discovered little Caylees' body in the trunk of the vehicle when Casey was at the house the afternoon she gave him the gas cans from the trunk. He was suspicious of why Casey did not want him to look in the trunk for the tire block, IMO. That was days after Casey had been avoiding them. I believe when George did discover Caylees' body in the trunk that Casey told him it was an accident and she did not know what to do and panicked. They could not call 911 and claim it had been an accident when Caylees' body was decomposing in the trunk. The kidnapping story was then hatched, IMO.

I do not believe that George ever molested Casey, and I do not believe he was in any way responsible for Caylees' death/murder. What I do honestly believe is that he did cover for Casey and did help dispose of Caylee. I do not for one minute think that Casey would have even gone to the trouble of placing Caylee in any protective wrapping whatsoever. I also believe the duct tape was placed on little Caylee to bolster the kidnapping story.

All of this is just IMO, but is what I do honestly think.