Is George lying?

[heartfortruth]

I havent read through the whole thread but wow Im sure the DT loves this thread :crazy: I guess my question would be Is it easier for some to believe that GA had something to do with it? Im starting to believe that Beaz is right in a way about the pretty young mother remark when it comes to how some perceive it. Do I think at one time in the media GA protected his daughter in a sense yes but I dont believe he had anything to do with what happen to Caylee and I dont think he is lying in his testimony either. GA has his faults as a parent and has some low self estem issues and losing Caylee was more then the man could bare so he tried what many have thought about after losing a loved one. Doesn't mean he was guilty of anything just meant it was more then he could take or deal with at the time. Watching those jail house visits showed a spoiled young women who wanted every thing to be about her and when she didnt get it she throw a fit. There was no fear of her parents what so ever during the whole video's. I seen some not so great parents in way over there head. They tried to make things right by putting more pressure on ICA to finally step up to the plate and to try and be responsible parent to Caylee but by then it was to late. IMO ICA was never abused sexually or physically. I wouldn't be surprised if it was ICA who had become voilent in the past to her parents when and if she didnt get the attention she seeked. I personally dont believe GA or LA did anything. I have the opinion the whole family tipped toed around ICA most of the time in fear of setting her off and never held her responsible for her actions. I dont think any of them believe ICA would ever hurt Caylee but they were wrong just like they were about alot of things. The only person responsible for Caylee death is ICA :twocents:

You come very close to perfectly describing a family that I know VERY WELL. As I have followed this case I have become concerned for a child that is not old enough to talk yet to be able to tell the grandparents what they probably already KNOW and don't want to hear. Their dtr. "absolutely" RULES their lives as the mother waits on her hand and foot and takes care of her child most of the time.
Oddly, at one point, when things were not going her way and before she had the child and the parents were trying to "encourage" her to move out on her own she threatened to claim "abuse". That was several years ago and she still lives with them and the parents still "clean up behind her" , in more ways than one!!! And they KNOW IT! but can't stop themselves!!!
I am thankful I am not in their shoes (or head) as I am thankful for the same thing with the Anthonys. .

I think GA may have lied about some things but I just can't believe most of the allegations spewed out against him in the OS. Guess I might have to eat my words (been there, done that) but I think he was a man caught in a situation that he could not really understand or handle. I really don't think he is very "sophisticated" in his thinking. I would have to have more than KC's "word" to believe he molested her or did NOTHING but yell at her after the "accident" and help bury Caylee, who he obviously loved dearly .......not even sure there was an accident at all.
I'm with those who say ......OK...go with the accident if that's all you have but leave G out of it!

by the way.......(is this OT?).....when CM talked about the "flat affect" (alluding, I believe, to effects of her "abuse") I wanted to come out of my chair. All that I have read and SEEN about KC before the trial started and during breaks when the jury was out of the room depicts, to me, a very animated young lady, able to "win friends and influence people"......which would include , it appears, her DT.
just thoughts really

 

[Tulessa]

George WAS wrong about Caylee's clothes. I was sure I remembered that right. It is the main reason I don't believe he ever saw them that morning.

Here is an poriton of the search warrant that explains about the clothes.


“And there is now being kept in and on said premises and curtilage certain trace evidence to include arts and crafts material, stickers, scrap booking material, all shoes belonging to Casey Anthony, the original clothing George Anthony last saw Caylee Anthony wearing on June 16th (pink colored top, blue jean skirt or skort, white shoes, small child’s backpack with monkey design and white rimmed sunglasses), any doll clothing that would fit the doll recovered from Casey’s vehicle on June 15th, small plastic toy horses similar to one found at the crime scene, and a black or brown backpack/shoulder bag similar to the one George Anthony saw Casey Anthony with on June 16th, that may be on said property. Your affiant also requests the authority to observe and note any prescriptions that may be on said property.”

Dr. Fessel I hope this helps clarify why I don't believe George saw them or remembered with any accuracy what they were wearing.

Thanks doodle. I never believed he saw them that day either. But I don't think he is lying about the incest or Caylee's drowning.

 

[Leila]

Casey was George's daughter but I believe that no matter how hard he tried to keep Casey on the straight and narrow Cindy took Casey's side. I think it became a two against one. I do not believe George molested Casey. The story has changed too much. The original story was that Lee did. Now out of no where there is this blockbuster news. Nope.

The relationship I believe between George and Casey was more passive, just as it was with Cindy. As a result of that Casey played one against the other constantly in my opinion, causing marital strife.

George had left the house and was living elsewhere not long before Caylee went missing. Probably because of problems with Casey and he just gave up.

Casey was used to getting her own way and is still trying to get her own way. Her hands are betraying her. What happens when she gets upset in court? Her hands start pinching up and numb? IMO They are her weapons and she can't stand them. She covers them with sweaters and blouses and whatever she can. She twists and wrings them. What happened with those hands? She doesn't like those hands.

I believe both Cindy and George realized early on their words in that first 48 hours sank Casey. They tried to save their daughter by explaining away certain things. Were they told to say that by someone? Time will tell on that and I believe it will be Casey, George and Cindy against Baez when Casey is convicted. Look out Mr. Baez.

George is certainly not an angel but something is not adding up to me about George molesting his daughter. I don't see it.

Grandmaj..................I totally agree!

I think Casey engaged in divide and conquer when it came to her parents. She probably sized them up early on, as a young child, and knew which one she could manipulate into doing what she wanted.

Most children do know early on which parent is the most likely to give in when they want something in particular. But this is usually the simple things like wanting to go to the movies or wanting a new outfit.

I think Casey took the divide and conquer to a whole new level, pitting her parents against each other. I definitely think the issues with Casey may have been the basis for marital problems.

George and Cindy definitely weren't on the same page and in agreement when it came to discipline. When George found out that Casey didn't work at the Sports Authority, Cindy didn't want him to pursue it further.........she was avoiding a confrontation. I think George was looking at Casey more realistically and Cindy was burying her head in the sand as she feared Casey getting angry and moving out taking Caylee with her.

I also think Casey used Caylee as her bartering chip. Be nice to me and give me what I want and I'll continue letting you have Caylee in your lives. But deny me and I'll take Caylee away. In the end, that's exactly what she did.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I agree PIP I want insisting that he had anything to do with the crime just that he is lying about something and has been since the first days. So in my eyes he has already lost credibility with me.

I would very much like to hear from GA what he meant when he said he feared other things coming out if they didn't find Caylee soon. He expressed this to KC during one of the jailhouse visits. He said 'other stuff would come out'. Then Cindy inquired if KC talked to either a shrink or clergy, I can't remember which one, and KC said 'yes'. Cindy inquired further if KC had said anything to this person. KC answered, 'no, I'm not going to tell a stranger my personal business'. They've been hiding something since the beginning when they had those early visits imo.

Under the circumstances, I'd really like to know what THAT HIDDEN SUBJECT is - just for the record.
And I can't understand how the majority of peeps just gloss over these subtle weirdnesses in the A's speech patterns.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

George taught KC to lie by his example imo. Let's just say he didn't hinder her habit.

He lied on his resume.

He lied about the gas cans.

He lied about his gambling/Nigerian scam - whatever the story is - to Cindy.

He lied about drinking to LE. A grown man lied about drinking because he thought it would make him look bad. :waitasec:
He was found with beers after he didn't kill himself. He's been seen in bars. Why lie? Lying when you don't even have to lie?

He lied about the day KC supposedly drove CA's car away from the house when he chased her but couldn't catch her.

He may have lied about being involved with River (or she is lying).

There are so many lies. This is a man of character? I'm lost.

There are alot more lies.

 

[Tig]

Reading all the posts, so interesting and so much I did not know. Maybe the juror's don't know either. Are they going to be able to figure it all out? My hinky meter went up on some of his testimony. Did the juror's hinky meter go up as well? Or is there enough info coming to them (juror's) that they can figure it out?

 

[Donjeta]

I think George discovered little Caylees' body in the trunk of the vehicle when Casey was at the house the afternoon she gave him the gas cans from the trunk. He was suspicious of why Casey did not want him to look in the trunk for the tire block, IMO. That was days after Casey had been avoiding them. I believe when George did discover Caylees' body in the trunk that Casey told him it was an accident and she did not know what to do and panicked. They could not call 911 and claim it had been an accident when Caylees' body was decomposing in the trunk. The kidnapping story was then hatched, IMO.

SBM.

I don't really see how the kidnapping story explains decomp in Casey's trunk. If the nanny had Caylee and Casey had her car Caylee wouldn't have ended up decomposing in the Sunfire trunk. A carjacking could have explained both.

 

[allycat1208]

Does anyone know if what Caylee was wearing when she was found dead in the woods is the same thing that GA said she was wearing? I can't remember.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't think he's afraid that Casey has would have something on him - I mean she's already accused him of molesting her as a young girl and disposing of Caylee's body, what else could she do or have that would hurt him more than that? I'm looking at his testimony again and I don't see anything wrong with his answers; if he used to give Caylee breakfast "usually", then well "usually" is the word to use.

Did KC accuse GA of disposing of Caylee's body? We're jumping to that conclusion based on JB's opening statements.

George had only been home for about twelve weeks prior to Caylee's death.
According to his job application he was living in Ft. Myers until March 2008.

 

[RR0004]

I would very much like to hear from GA what he meant when he said he feared other things coming out if they didn't find Caylee soon. He expressed this to KC during one of the jailhouse visits. He said 'other stuff would come out'. Then Cindy inquired if KC talked to either a shrink or clergy, I can't remember which one, and KC said 'yes'. Cindy inquired further if KC had said anything to this person. KC answered, 'no, I'm not going to tell a stranger my personal business'. They've been hiding something since the beginning when they had those early visits imo.

Under the circumstances, I'd really like to know what THAT HIDDEN SUBJECT is - just for the record.
And I can't understand how the majority of peeps just gloss over these subtle weirdnesses in the A's speech patterns.

"gloss over"? How about give up?! Too much for any human to wrap their brain around, IMHO.

 

[RR0004]

Does anyone know if what Caylee was wearing when she was found dead in the woods is the same thing that GA said she was wearing? I can't remember.

Ok...now I know I'm not crazy...not sure the website it ok to link...but here's a list of items they found....

Detectives found:
A stained Winnie the Pooh blanket
A pair of size 24 month pink and white stripe shorts,
A pink size 3T shirt with the words "BIG TROUBLE comes small" written on the front
Pieces of a child's pull up

HTH

 

[OneLostGrl]

Maybe so, or maybe it's just him making up details to give the prosecution what he thinks they want. Like testifying that Caylee told him she was excited to see Zanny when he told the FBI that Caylee had never spoken of Zanny.

It does seem to me that at least some of George's insincerity on the stand came from him trying to play the perfect defense witness role. Maybe he's real passive aggressive in general...he overdoes it trying to please everybody until he eventually erupts in anger or acts out in some way.

I can't understand how either of Casey's parents didn't realize she is a pathological liar. I don't believe her lying behavior sprung up overnight. I'm sure when Casey was growing up that Cindy and George knew in their hearts how crazy she is, even if they didn't want to admit it. What gets me most about this is why they didn't keep a closer eye on her, especially with regards to Casey leaving Caylee with a nanny Cindy and George had never met (and I mean before Caylee went missing) but that goes to the heart of the enabling and is something they will probably never get over.

Ya know, at least Cindy has denial & dissociation.. That woman can clearly convince herself that the truth is a lie but George? He knows the truth and he knows he knows the truth.. so he tries to swallow it but that man is gonna choke on it one day.

 

[katydid23]

BBM. Apparently Lee also told Jesse Grund about the fight (Cindy choking Casey) as reported by Jesse's father to YM. See link - Page 45 --- lots of good reading !!!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

There is also another post on another thread linking to a report that Cindy talked about the fight to Mark Fuhrman.[ I will see if I can find it and come back and link it. ]

ETA;
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6617835#post6617835"]Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #7 - Page 40 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


I believe Cindy herself told Mark Furman about the fight, it can be found on the Hinky Meter time line.



http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-a...and-discovery/

15/16 – CA and KC have a big argument. [NOTE: CA does not share this information with LE but later tells this to MF.]

 

[Intermezzo]

Did KC accuse GA of disposing of Caylee's body? We're jumping to that conclusion based on JB's opening statements.

George had only been home for about twelve weeks prior to Caylee's death.
According to his job application he was living in Ft. Myers until March 2008.

bbm
I forgot about that.
I wonder if Casey was upset that George moved back home.?

March 2008 has always been of interest to me in regards to this case
George moves back home
Cindy cuts off Casey's money supply
The computer searches for house hold weapons, neck breaking, chloroform...
I seem to also remember reading in a doc, probably Amys' text messages, that Casey was not able to to got and party on St Patty's Day and was not pleased about it

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Also, what do molesters look like?
Everyone is so sure that George is NOT one.
How do we know? He could or could not be a molester of his daughter.
News flash - child molesters are in peoples' houses under their own noses.
How is everyone SO SURE that GA is not one of them?

I'm not going to simply take the DT word for it but I wouldn't be that surprised to find out it's true if there's some kind of back story/evidence.

 

[RR0004]

bbm
I forgot about that.
I wonder if Casey was upset that George moved back home.?

March 2008 has always been of interest to me in regards to this case
George moves back home
Cindy cuts off Casey's money supply
The computer searches for house hold weapons, neck breaking, chloroform...
I seem to also remember reading in a doc, probably Amys' text messages, that Casey was not able to to got and party on St Patty's Day and was not pleased about it

I think that may be a fib because IIRC the As separated the Nov. after Caylee was born and their separation wasn't that long, it was a matter of months.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

bbm
I forgot about that.
I wonder if Casey was upset that George moved back home.?

March 2008 has always been of interest to me in regards to this case
George moves back home
Cindy cuts off Casey's money supply
The computer searches for house hold weapons, neck breaking, chloroform...
I seem to also remember reading in a doc, probably Amys' text messages, that Casey was not able to to got and party on St Patty's Day and was not pleased about it

Holy cow, what if KC was looking up those things to protect herself in case GA approached her again?
I never made this connection before.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think that may be a fib because IIRC the As separated the Nov. after Caylee was born and their separation wasn't that long, it was a matter of months.

a fib? It's on his application to Andrews Int'l - six months Ft Myers 07-08.

Of course, you're right, he could by lying about anything. If they separated in Nov. 2005, why?
He claims he was SO SO SOOOOO happy to be a grandfather by his young, immature, unmarried daughter.
Why would he move out right after being so blessed?

 

[Tulessa]

Casey was George's daughter but I believe that no matter how hard he tried to keep Casey on the straight and narrow Cindy took Casey's side. I think it became a two against one. I do not believe George molested Casey. The story has changed too much. The original story was that Lee did. Now out of no where there is this blockbuster news. Nope.

The relationship I believe between George and Casey was more passive, just as it was with Cindy. As a result of that Casey played one against the other constantly in my opinion, causing marital strife.

George had left the house and was living elsewhere not long before Caylee went missing. Probably because of problems with Casey and he just gave up.

Casey was used to getting her own way and is still trying to get her own way. Her hands are betraying her. What happens when she gets upset in court? Her hands start pinching up and numb? IMO They are her weapons and she can't stand them. She covers them with sweaters and blouses and whatever she can. She twists and wrings them. What happened with those hands? She doesn't like those hands.

I believe both Cindy and George realized early on their words in that first 48 hours sank Casey. They tried to save their daughter by explaining away certain things. Were they told to say that by someone? Time will tell on that and I believe it will be Casey, George and Cindy against Baez when Casey is convicted. Look out Mr. Baez.

George is certainly not an angel but something is not adding up to me about George molesting his daughter. I don't see it.

Wow! What a powerful post!! Thank you Maj!!

 

[RR0004]

Also, what do molesters look like?
Everyone is so sure that George is NOT one.
How do we know? He could or could not be a molester of his daughter.
News flash - child molesters are in peoples' houses under their own noses.
How is everyone SO SURE that GA is not one of them?

I'm not going to simply take the DT word for it but I wouldn't be that surprised to find out it's true if there's some kind of back story/evidence.

I think that folks don't believe it because of the source(s)...and that includes Baez. If Casey's lying was the result of abuse and Caylee's death was accidental, why gamble with her life? Why not reveal all of that years ago? Does Casey seem like the kinda gal that would protect her family? She offered up anyone who was kind to her. She'd want to shout it to the world...I am a victim!! My father abused me and he hid Caylee!!
PS- and what really bothers me is how Baez could play along with all the "sightings" knowing that Caylee was dead. He would have allowed Caylee to rot in the woods? Look at how much worse that has made things for his client. The depravity of it all. Why on Earth would he have gone along with that?!