Is George lying?

[katydid23]

Thank you, carole. I forgive, and I agree that this case has made many of us very emotional here.

I'll admit, I do have a hard time forgiving the Anthonys for what they've done. I wanted very much for the truth to be known about little Caylee, and feel that they've done so much to make sure that it doesn't come out.

I do feel that they have unfairly smeared many a good name along the way, too. I just can't imagine that I would ever do such a thing.

The jail house videos have made me understand the Anthony's a little better. Casey was trying to point the blame at Jesse Grund and Ricardo, and she acted like she could not say any more because of the cameras. So I think her parents believed she was innocent, and were looking for the guilty parties. It was wrong for them to make those accusations, but I do understand how it happened.

I think they were blinded by their love for their daughter and just were groping for any other scenario that could prove her innocence. It was wrong and sloppy, but they were under a lot of emotional pressure. Who wants to believe their own daughter could kill her child?

 

[RR0004]

I haven't read thru the other answers yet but I do not believe George is lying and neither do I believe he had anything to do with Caylee's death or hiding her body or molesting Casey.

He may not remember exactly what he did on that morning. Who of us remembers every detail of some morning 3 years ago or even a week ago if it seemed like a normal day to you. Get up, make coffee, talk to your grand child, make them some breakfast etc, watch tv and say goodbye to them as they leave. It was an ordinary day to George. He seemed to remember what Caylee was wearing and her backpack etc which is more that I would remember.

I think GA was a hapless, quiet man that was ruled by his wife and daughter. Those 2 stuck together and opposed him on things. I think George was suspicious of KC and her actions for years and would say things to Cindy and would get shot down. The 2 were always against him. In order to get along with Cindy he kept his mouth shut most of the time and did his own thing. Thats why he sounds a little strange here and there. Cindy and Casey ruled the roost there, not George. Casey actually ruled that house by her outbursts and everyone cowtowing to her all the time. I think it actually PO'd George off.

...and I have the distinct impression Casey is still gunning for those who "did her wrong"- George for his GJ testimony, Amy for her honesty, and Cindy, too. Mark my words, she hasn't gotten past her testimony. That outburst in Court was all about Casey's loss of control over her family.

 

[Theonly1]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I don't believe for a minute that George was involved in Caylee's death or that he had ever molested KC. The evasiveness and deceit from the family throughout these past three years had everything to do with trying to save KC from a conviction. Now these past statements and actions are being twisted and perverted by the defense to save their client. And everyone, and I mean everyone, knows it. Including each and every member of the defense team.

Everyone but the jurors know it! The jurors will have no clue about the years of vacillation on behalf of the family.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I believe that, but I also believe telling the truth didn't come easy for him. He had CA to deal with. JMO, and we will never know exactly how it went down.

I agree, he had a period of time living away from his family and without Cindy's checks and I think he did not like that at all. He did not want kicked out again under these circumstances.

 

[grandmaj]

Here is the deal. If you want to discuss George Anthony and his veracity go for it in a respectful way.

Do not judge other posters or tell them what they can, do, or will feel or think. Stop snarking back and forth at one another. Don't judge other posters in your posts. Everyone has a right to their opinion. And none of us has the right to tell another how they would act, feel or function given the circumstances. Many people here have had the misfortune and heartbreak of knowing exactly how they would act and feel.

Thanks.

 

[carole]

Thank you, carole. I forgive, and I agree that this case has made many of us very emotional here.

I'll admit, I do have a hard time forgiving the Anthonys for what they've done. I wanted very much for the truth to be known about little Caylee, and feel that they've done so much to make sure that it doesn't come out.

I do feel that they have unfairly smeared many a good name along the way, too. I just can't imagine that I would ever do such a thing.

Thank you, Tuffy. That's really what I think we all want - the truth about Caylee and what happened to her and justice for her.

 

[pip]

I agree, he had a period of time living away from his family and without Cindy's checks and I think he did not like that at all. He did not want kicked out again under these circumstances.

He certainly supported the pizza, kidnapping etc. theories even after the Grand Jury testimony. He did what he had to do, then quickly reverted to the script Cindy and ICA were selling. He has been fused to the family and dysfunction and the most stress he probably has ever felt was having to let go and tell the truth.

 

[kathyn2]

I wouldn't put it past KC to demand to testify (and lie) in this case. She thinks and believes she is a darn good liar and pull the wool over anyone's eyes. She will come up with a darn good story on the stand and people have always gone along with her so she will think she cannot lose at this game and can stand up to anyone. Look at how she played the detectives and cops in this case. She had absolutely no fear of them at all. She didn't care what they said or accused her of or threatened her with she continued with her lives and scorned them. I firmly believe she will think she can do this on the stand. Maybe she can with that jury. Who knows. Its very scary. She is a very scary person but I can read her like a books and it shocks me that no one else has all these years. JB has something there when he kind of scorns the family for not seeing what she really was all this time and all those crazy lies.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

He certainly supported the pizza, kidnapping etc. theories even after the Grand Jury testimony. He did what he had to do, then quickly reverted to the script Cindy and ICA were selling. He has been fused to the family and dysfunction and the most stress he probably has ever felt was having to let go and tell the truth.

I agree and he knows the difference in what he tells the police and LE in depositions and testimony compared to what he says to the people and press.

 

[Rallihanna]

I wish that the SA would allow GA and CA just to speak about what happened- how they tried to help ICA until they figured out the truth...

 

[ButForFortune]

Everyone but the jurors know it! The jurors will have no clue about the years of vacillation on behalf of the family.

I agree, and that is the worrisome part. (By everyone, I meant everyone involved in this case up until the day of trial. I should have made myself clearer.)

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I wish that the SA would allow GA and CA just to speak about what happened- how they tried to help ICA until they figured out the truth...

I think the SA wants to keep them in the best light possible for now so the jury will believe the parts of their testimony they want them to.

 

[MissJames]

Im a lurker mostly... I want to thank you all for your wonderful insight and just being here.

I cant hep but think George was "Hinky" at best on the stand. All of his answers (And I cant remember verbatim but...) Didnt he answer all of the questions concerning the morning of June 16. in "General" terms.... Like "I usually wake up right after Cindy "Would" leave"
"I usually give Caylee Breakfast" etc.
IMHO he never answered the question specifically about that day other that the way over the top description of what Caylee was wearing. I find it so oddd that he is so general with his answers about the happenings of the day and so specific about Caylees clothing. It doesnt fit.

I was looking @ the timeline over at A candy Rose and the general answers he gives in the first hearing ias the same and are just not sounding truthful.

From the beginning I have thought Casey killed her child, IDK if accidental drowning or something more sinister. But I do think George knows a LOT more OR he is scared that Casey knows something on him. He has always struck me as a <mod snip> but now Im thinking why is he lying.
Your thoughts?

I've always thought the story of seeing them off on the 16th was a lie.He continues to embellish it ,which raises more doubt.
I don't think GA had anything to do with the murder .I think he told that story to cover for ICA and to go along with the nanny story. I also think it was to distance the family from some kind of blow up that happened on the 15th.
IMO there was an argument that led to ICA killing Caylee at some point overnight. I think she put the duct tape on Caylee to keep her quiet (from Cindy's interference) at the very least. I have no doubt she added the heart shaped sticker,also. She could have pretended to be asleep or she may have left .Maybe she didn't kill Caylee until George left that afternoon.Who knows,but George's tale is way to detailed and evolving to suit me,but he's stuck with it.

 

[MissJames]

The jail house videos have made me understand the Anthony's a little better. Casey was trying to point the blame at Jesse Grund and Ricardo, and she acted like she could not say any more because of the cameras. So I think her parents believed she was innocent, and were looking for the guilty parties. It was wrong for them to make those accusations, but I do understand how it happened.

I think they were blinded by their love for their daughter and just were groping for any other scenario that could prove her innocence. It was wrong and sloppy, but they were under a lot of emotional pressure. Who wants to believe their own daughter could kill her child?

Still, they were always aware ICA had issues.CA told others that ICA was a sociopath,that she lied and that she stole. They weren't totally blind to her faults and probably scared out of their minds that she WAS involved. JMO :seeya:

 

[cluciano63]

I think the SA wants to keep them in the best light possible for now so the jury will believe the parts of their testimony they want them to.

I think it is dangerous for the state to protect CA and GA so much from their own past behavior...I can't see that it will remain completely unmentioned and it will look bad for the state when and if it comes out in some way...as though they are trying to hide something. Plus, it will add to any disbelief about GA being truthful in general. I know their defense of Casey was shocking at times, but I think the jury would understand how parents could not imagine their daughter killed their grandchild and maybe even went a little "crazy."

 

[Concerned Papa]

For me, the choice to believe GA or not hinges in large measure on the alternative of believing JB and his client. That choice is simple.

I believe GA.

 

[my2sense]

I think George has a lousy memory, low self-esteem, and melodramatic emotions. All those things make him sound hinky, even if he's doing his absolute best to tell the truth as he remembers it. I think that when he lies (in general), it is either to make himself look better or to make up for his memory deficits. MOO

 

[legalmania]

George was questioned extensively by the police, FBI, detectives and the fact is they never charged him with anything. He was even playing detective with Casey trying to get her to tell him something besides I don't know or she was kidnapped. Casey is a pathological liar, and probably spent many days going over what she would say. I couldn't imagine being in his position. To have the public coming to their house accusing Cindy and George of killing or having knowledge of what happened to their granddaughter and the media shinning their lights on the house all night for weeks, was IMO disgusting. They did nothing but look for Caylee. George drove around for hours in that truck with Caylees billboard on the side. I don't think there is anyone on this site who could go through what they did, without a question or two coming out the wrong way. He was so relieved to see garbage in the car that day, that he convinced himself that is wasn't human decomposition he smelt. I can tell you from my work experience, that going through depositions, and a grand jury hearing and preliminary hearings is hard and questions are put out to confuse you and get answered differently sometimes.

 

[Quiche]

I spent a lot of time wondering about George, and Cindy too... but, they came through at the trial. I've released my doubt and it feels pretty darn good.

 

[MissJames]

I've said this before,and maybe it's not fair of me,but I've always felt either CA or ICA was blackmailing GA into going along with the script.
We heard that he wanted to confront ICA and CA stopped him.
The story of the missing money (was it gambling or a Nigerian scam ? ) was hinky.
Something is just not right.
JMO