Is George lying?

[Dr.Fessel]

I spent a lot of time wondering about George, and Cindy too... but, they came through at the trial. I've released my doubt and it feels pretty darn good.

I haven't relaxed with Cindy yet. LOL

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Another reason I think George is telling the truth is at first I am sure they did not believe Casey was really accusing him of abuse that it was all JB's doing. That is why they were so desperate to talk to her in the jail. George saw the theatrics of Casey during Baez's opening and he knew right then she was behind it and the truth is what will save him.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think George has a lousy memory, low self-esteem, and melodramatic emotions. All those things make him sound hinky, even if he's doing his absolute best to tell the truth as he remembers it. I think that when he lies (in general), it is either to make himself look better or to make up for his memory deficits. MOO

The whole family talks like they came right out of a soap opera. Have you noticed they never just phone each other, they "reach out" to others...

 

[Ricki]

I do not think any of the Anthonys had anything to do with the death of Caylee except for KC. I think their actions and words are because in the back of there mind they new she did something and were having a hard time coming to terms with it. Their actions and words IMO is because they do not want to see one of their own children sentenced to death. They are just torn. Now they know and are realizing that KC is one sick pup and they have to fight to keep the rest of their family intact and try to get this behind them and find some peace and a normal life. No matter what the A's may have done or said in the end they are the ones that will have to live with it.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think I will be comfortable with any Anthony until the trial is over...there is plenty of time left for one or more of them to lean Casey's way.

 

[PeteyGirl]

In my personal estimation, George has been the most forthcoming of all the Anthony characters. From the beginning, he has seemed to me and many others the "one" member of this family least likely to tell tall tales.

However: This man (as well as his wife and son) have been MARINATING in the effects of living with a sociopathic person whom they LOVE (Casey) and want to protect, and anguish over.

Most of us can't stand Casey. We have no emotional investment in her as a daughter or sister or mother. It's no problem to disdain her. For the Anthony family, this is not the case.

Loving a sociopath will make your head turn inside out. I see evidence of the entire Anthony family "suffering" from the effects of a long term intimate relationship with a sociopathic person. Try to look at it from THEIR point of view. Casey is someone they love and have much invested in, as we all do with our family members. We are just spectators to their tragedy.

I was married to a sociopathic person for seven years, and thankfully got brave enough to turn him into the local police and get protection. I ended up "disappearing" so he doesn't know where I am. In the last four years, I've recovered myself better than ever, but, the person I BECAME while intimate with this person was a pathetically passive, dishonest and dangerously oblivious version of myself.

I have no doubt I appeared very hinky. There was SO MUCH to cover up, mostly my own terrible shame because I KNEW there was something terribly wrong but did not have the courage to stand up to it and fight it.

I see George as having a similar kind of shame.

It does not absolve him of his own dishonesty and machinations. It only makes it understandable, and, that there is another storyline that makes sense of his behavior and words.

ETA: LOL forgot my original point. YES, George is lying. Has lied, probably will lie again. Of course he has. But not for reasons those who haven't had intimate relationships with sociopaths would immediately understand.

It reduces his credibility but does not negate it.

 

[Tuffy]

In my personal estimation, George has been the most forthcoming of all the Anthony characters. From the beginning, he has seemed to me and many others the "one" member of this family least likely to tell tall tales.

However: This man (as well as his wife and son) have been MARINATING in the effects of living with a sociopathic person whom they LOVE (Casey) and want to protect, and anguish over.

Most of us can't stand Casey. We have no emotional investment in her as a daughter or sister or mother. It's no problem to disdain her. For the Anthony family, this is not the case.

Loving a sociopath will make your head turn inside out. I see evidence of the entire Anthony family "suffering" from the effects of a long term intimate relationship with a sociopathic person. Try to look at it from THEIR point of view. Casey is someone they love and have much invested in, as we all do with our family members. We are just spectators to their tragedy.

I was married to a sociopathic person for seven years, and thankfully got brave enough to turn him into the local police and get protection. I ended up "disappearing" so he doesn't know where I am. In the last four years, I've recovered myself better than ever, but, the person I BECAME while intimate with this person was a pathetically passive, dishonest and dangerously oblivious version of myself.

I have no doubt I appeared very hinky. There was SO MUCH to cover up, mostly my own terrible shame because I KNEW there was something terribly wrong but did not have the courage to stand up to it and fight it.

I see George as having a similar kind of shame.

It does not absolve him of his own dishonesty and machinations. It only makes it understandable, and, that there is another storyline that makes sense of his behavior and words.

ETA: LOL forgot my original point. YES, George is lying. Has lied, probably will lie again. Of course he has. But not for reasons those who haven't had intimate relationships with sociopaths would immediately understand.

It reduces his credibility but does not negate it.

Interesting insight, it sounds like you've had experience, Peteygirl! This really makes sense.

I'm very glad to hear you got out of your situation safely!

ETA - I like your descriptive word, 'marinating.'

 

[katydid23]

Still, they were always aware ICA had issues.CA told others that ICA was a sociopath,that she lied and that she stole. They weren't totally blind to her faults and probably scared out of their minds that she WAS involved. JMO :seeya:

I think there was a difference between what Cindy thought of her and what George thought of her. Cindy saw her sociopathy and her negativity pretty clearly but she was partly to blame for it, imo. She was a very controlling and critical mother. So she may have seen Casey's faults, but I do not think she believed that Casey killed Caylee in cold blood. I believe George and Cindy were afraid that she was involved in some way, like covering for a drowning, or being negligent and allowing a pedophile to get a hold of her. But I do not think they believed she would ever duct tape her face and throw her in the trunk.

 

[countzero]

My opinions of GA haven't changed since hearing his first words spoken back in July 08. If his lips move I think he is speaking HIS truth, as he sees it. NOT the truth of what happened during June and July 08.

This man is former LE. As far as I am concerned, as soon as that Pontiac trunk was opened, he should have called LE immediately. What he did was and is inexcuseable. This man needs to grow a set. Own up to exactly what happened and take whatever punishment is given to him. Same for CA. They are backpedalling so as not to be charged.

 

[Doodlelover]

I do think GA lied about something on the 16th, I'm just not sure about what... We have to remember that at that time they thought Caylee was missing and I'm sure they didn't want to say or do anything that would make Casey look bad. I don't think he had anything to do with Caylee's death. That being said, does anyone know if any of the Athonys confirmed the report about the "fight" on the 15th between Casey and GA? I still think this is all linked somehow to that. I think Casey left the house that night(not sure if it was with or without Caylee) and that is why there is a phone call from the house to her cell( even though she was back home at that point) I think GA woke up and called to check on her only to realize she was back home...all IMHO

This is exactly what I think too.

I believe George lied in the very beginning about knowing what Caylee was wearing that morning. He was questioned a month later. How could he possible remember. I bet he couldn't remember what she was wearing a week later never mind a month.

I think the fight happened that night and I think ICA took off with Caylee. I still have my suspicions about her killing Caylee that night. I'm still not 100% sold that Geroge saw them that morning at all. I still don't have it all worked out yet, probably never will but George's story still rings untrue to me.

Do I think George molested Casey or has anything to do with the death or accidental drowning. NO. Not at all. He was a broken hearted man and in those jailhouse tapes he was trying to do his best to get answers from Casey without setting her off like CA did. HE was the one who suggested the FBI, not the actions of a guilty man.

I think he did lie in the beginning just to help Casey not look so bad, this was when he thought she was innocent, now he has to stick to those lies and he's trying to walk a very fine line because of the previous depo.

I think it will all come out, maybe not exactly how Casey killed her, but that there is still some confusion about the events of June 15th in the late evening and the events of June 16 all morning until George went to work.

That old sighting of Casey outside a hotel talking on her cell phone still makes me think perhaps she did take off after the fight in a fit of rage. Not sure if it was ever proven that it wasn't her or not, but it still gives me pause.

 

[Tuffy]

I think there was a difference between what Cindy thought of her and what George thought of her. Cindy saw her sociopathy and her negativity pretty clearly but she was partly to blame for it, imo. She was a very controlling and critical mother. So she may have seen Casey's faults, but I do not think she believed that Casey killed Caylee in cold blood. I believe George and Cindy were afraid that she was involved in some way, like covering for a drowning, or being negligent and allowing a pedophile to get a hold of her. But I do not think they believed she would ever duct tape her face and throw her in the trunk.

I don't know, katydid. I'll take it a step further, and say that I think they both knew that Casey was capable of hurting Caylee. But I don't think they suspected what actually happened. I would be willing to wager that they were simply horrified to find out how brutally Caylee was killed.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

This is exactly what I think too.

I believe George lied in the very beginning about knowing what Caylee was wearing that morning. He was questioned a month later. How could he possible remember. I bet he couldn't remember what she was wearing a week later never mind a month.

I think the fight happened that night and I think ICA took off with Caylee. I still have my suspicions about her killing Caylee that night. I'm still not 100% sold that Geroge saw them that morning at all. I still don't have it all worked out yet, probably never will but George's story still rings untrue to me.

Do I think George molested Casey or has anything to do with the death or accidental drowning. NO. Not at all. He was a broken hearted man and in those jailhouse tapes he was trying to do his best to get answers from Casey without setting her off like CA did. HE was the one who suggested the FBI, not the actions of a guilty man.

I think he did lie in the beginning just to help Casey not look so bad, this was when he thought she was innocent, now he has to stick to those lies and he's trying to walk a very fine line because of the previous depo.

I think it will all come out, maybe not exactly how Casey killed her, but that there is still some confusion about the events of June 15th in the late evening and the events of June 16 all morning until George went to work.

That old sighting of Casey outside a hotel talking on her cell phone still makes me think perhaps she did take off after the fight in a fit of rage. Not sure if it was ever proven that it wasn't her or not, but it still gives me pause.

BBM

George is a trained cop and security cop, I bet he can remember what every family member was wearing the last time he saw them. Caylee was found with the clothes George described.

 

[USARDOG]

I think GA is doing the best he can and in no way was he involved with either the molestation or the cover up/murder/disposal. It's all a big fat lie to get ICA off the hook for what she alone did.

 

[cluciano63]

BBM:

See yeah, I think they all know a lot of things that they pretend they don't know. Does that make sense?

Yes and for a very long time...and that worked out well for everyone...

 

[RR0004]

I don't know, katydid. I'll take it a step further, and say that I think they both knew that Casey was capable of hurting Caylee. But I don't think they suspected what actually happened. I would be willing to wager that they were simply horrified to find out how brutally Caylee was killed.

Did Lee ever testify to CA's "What have you done?" I know that Cindy started to say it on the stand...then caught herself and said something else. That one statement speaks volumes IMHO.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

I think George was being as sincere as possible (and that's a huge step for the A family)

I believe that after they found out that the bus was headed for them, they snapped out of denial and realized just how big of a monster their daughter really is.
I do not and will never believe George and Cindy Anthony had anything to do with the murder or cover up of Caylee Marie.
To quote Cindy, "ah, love is blind"
They believed in their daughter, as most parents would. Now they have a taste of reality and see that Casey knows NO boundaries.

 

[Doodlelover]

BBM

George is a trained cop and security cop, I bet he can remember what every family member was wearing the last time he saw them. Caylee was found with the clothes George described.

As far as I remember George was wrong about what Caylee was last seen in.

GA and CA said they had never see the tshirt "Big trouble comes in little packages " or something close to that.

In fact, the outfit he described last seeing Caylee in was found in her closet. She was wearing the "trouble" tshirt and striped shorts not the shirt and denim shirt that George said she had on.

This is why I don't believe he ever saw them that morning. And just because he was a cop does not mean he would remember what someone was wearing when questioned a month later. He didn't know it was going to be the last time he saw her and I don't believe a month later he could recall what she was wearing on a specific day. It just doesn't ring true.

Am I misremembering?? Could somebody correct me if Im wrong. Did George's description of what he saw Caylee wearing that last morning differ completely from what she was found in??

 

[RR0004]

BBM

George is a trained cop and security cop, I bet he can remember what every family member was wearing the last time he saw them. Caylee was found with the clothes George described.

Did he? He said a jean skirt...I thought Caylee had shorts...and they weren't denim (?). Pink top matches though.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I haven't read this entire thread, so please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this. Wasn't George the only family member who was called to testify before a Grand Jury? When Jose Baez asked to see George's GJ testimony for the purpose of impeachment, HHJP read the document and said that there was nothing in George's GJ testimony that differed from his sworn testimony in court. I'm satisfied that Mr. Anthony has been consistent when speaking under oath, and that's what matters AFAIC. jmo

 

[clayangel]

I dont believe George did anything to Caylee, nor do I believe that he molested anyone. I never implied either. I do think he is lying about the last time he saw them on June 16. It just sounds so general. He never said he gave Caylee breakfast, or when he woke, or what he did (Other than the food network show, and Caylees dress) Everything else was "...generally I would do this or that..." Nothing Specific. Even later there is no correction like "Oh yeah there was her bowl in the sink I remember now".... Nothing but the scripted response.

I also disagree that since he lied in the beginning it would be a normal persons response to continue the lies when the stakes are so high. It isnt normal. I think most of us caught in a lie would confess and straighten things out.