Is George lying?

[RR0004]

I dont believe George did anything to Caylee, nor do I believe that he molested anyone. I never implied either. I do think he is lying about the last time he saw them on June 16. It just sounds so general. He never said he gave Caylee breakfast, or when he woke, or what he did (Other than the food network show, and Caylees dress) Everything else was "...generally I would do this or that..." Nothing Specific. Even later there is no correction like "Oh yeah there was her bowl in the sink I remember now".... Nothing but the scripted response.

I also disagree that since he lied in the beginning it would be a normal persons response to continue the lies when the stakes are so high. It isnt normal. I think most of us caught in a lie would confess and straighten things out.

He has to stay true to what he testified to...he cannot falter.

 

[Doodlelover]

Did he? He said a jean skirt...I thought Caylee had shorts...and they weren't denim (?). Pink top matches though.

George WAS wrong about Caylee's clothes. I was sure I remembered that right. It is the main reason I don't believe he ever saw them that morning.

Here is an poriton of the search warrant that explains about the clothes.


“And there is now being kept in and on said premises and curtilage certain trace evidence to include arts and crafts material, stickers, scrap booking material, all shoes belonging to Casey Anthony, the original clothing George Anthony last saw Caylee Anthony wearing on June 16th (pink colored top, blue jean skirt or skort, white shoes, small child’s backpack with monkey design and white rimmed sunglasses), any doll clothing that would fit the doll recovered from Casey’s vehicle on June 15th, small plastic toy horses similar to one found at the crime scene, and a black or brown backpack/shoulder bag similar to the one George Anthony saw Casey Anthony with on June 16th, that may be on said property. Your affiant also requests the authority to observe and note any prescriptions that may be on said property.”

Dr. Fessel I hope this helps clarify why I don't believe George saw them or remembered with any accuracy what they were wearing.

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm interested in knowing more about a phone call that was made at 7:30 am on the 16th of June 2008.. Was this a call to Casey's phone? Who made the call and from where was this call made?

 

[ThinkTank]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1826
JWG said: { Mar 5, 2010 - 08:03:09 }
"Janielane – I think it is safe to assume George is responsible for the escort searches. In reviewing the internet history, the searches more often than not coincide with visits to job-hunting sites in the security field, visits to car sites and home improvement sites. The pattern is something like this: Do a little job hunting, read some car reviews, check out a few escort sites.
As I said, creatures of habit."

 

[pip]

Did he? He said a jean skirt...I thought Caylee had shorts...and they weren't denim (?). Pink top matches though.

He said a jean skirt or shorts combo (skort) and a pink shirt in one interview. So why was she found in the shorts she was wearing at the nursing home in the video on the 15th? He is either lying or doesn't remember. I don't believe Caylee swam on the 15th, I believe CA said that to lead us into believing those shorts had been taken off and she was seen on the 16th in denim bottoms. She was still wearing them. After swimming? After ICA took her naked from CA from the pool to her supposed shower and jammies? How did those shorts get back on her?
I believe ICA left the house with Caylee wearing the same outfit after the fight.
No swim.
George saying pink shirt is a good guess and only that.

 

[ThinkTank]

How does visiting escort sites make George a murderer? What can JB hope to gain with that little nugget? The men on the jury may not think it determines character IYKWIM.

Baez said in opening statements that the Inmate "learned to lie"/keep secrets, from her parents - and went on to mention George's alleged affair with River, and implied other things George did with the money scams and such, which the Inmate was forced to keep SECRET (from Cindy). Baez wants to paint George as dishonest and sleazy as he can, so the jurors can have reasonable doubt about George sexually abusing his daughter. Imply that George and his daughter had lots of secrets between them. IMO

 

[pip]

How does visiting escort sites make George a murderer? What can JB hope to gain with that little nugget? The men on the jury may not think it determines character IYKWIM.

To degrade his character. I do also believe they will try to link the chloroform searches to him as well.

 

[Purple Iris]

BBM:

See yeah, I think they all know a lot of things that they pretend they don't know. Does that make sense?

It sure does make sense.

And, it's to bad, because for whatever reason; love, blind devotion, fear, trueth of the known or unknown, their credibility and truethfullness forever more will always be followed with a question mark.

And, I think that they will also be haunted with "what if's", and regardless of my personal feelings for any of them, now or then, that won't be an easy life to live out.

I would not ever want to live a "shoulda, coulda, woulda" life.
Makes things pretty complicated, which go hand in hand with the lies that have been told and will also forever hold a burden over their heads.
IMO, they have painted themselves straight into a corner that the paint will never dry, and there is no escape.
They are now faced to roll with the punches, hope for the best, and pray that nothing comes back to bite them.
And, there is plenty if anyone wanted to push those buttons and make an example out of them.

It isn't even a chance of rolling the dice, cause every corner and number can create problems for them, IMO.

 

[pip]

I'm interested in knowing more about a phone call that was made at 7:30 am on the 16th of June 2008.. Was this a call to Casey's phone? Who made the call and from where was this call made?

Call to ICA cell from Anthony home phone @ 7:45 AM on June 16th. ICA checks VM immediately @ 7:45 as well.

 

[Doodlelover]

I'm interested in knowing more about a phone call that was made at 7:30 am on the 16th of June 2008.. Was this a call to Casey's phone? Who made the call and from where was this call made?

Me too Emeralgem.

This, and George's testimony about what Caylee was wearing not being what she was found in, makes me believe it may have happened after the big fight.

I guess it just sits better for me to think she was in a rage after the "strangling" episode with Cindy and snapped, took Caylee, tossed her in her car seat, I bet she was scared and crying because of the fight and she just lost it and pulled over, chloroformed her to shut her up, taped her face and threw her in the trunk. I think she was on the warpath after that fight. I feel like there had to be more of a trigger than not being able to find a sitter the next day. As I said I feel like I need the anger and fight to believe she killed her.

She was also found in the same shorts she had on earlier on the 15th in the Retirement home video. Maybe she got something on her shirt at supper, they changed that but left the shorts on. ICA left with her on that evening. I think so.

I really want to know if there were any tests done on the car seat. I can't seem to remember what those results were. I wonder if the had dogs sniff it or not? That would help to narrow down if she died in the car seat, but I don't think she did, I think it was in the trunk out of eye sight of Casey, it would have been easier that way. Kind of out of sight out of mind. The duct tape also would have meant no noise, again easier for Casey.

JMO

 

[DaughterAlice]

I think a big problem with George is that he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Like when JB was trying to get him to answer the question.. 'was the smell in the trunk stronger than inside the car when you opened it at the tow yard?' I wanted to smack GA upside the head.. JUST SAY YES, IT WAS! Duh! He already had described the trunk odor as being horrific. He thought JB was trying to trick him, yet the answer YES would have benefitted George. His attempts to avoid answering made him look like a liar.. and for no good reason. He couldn't problem solve that question. I was like.. OMG.
Dumb.

Honestly, he came across as very hinky to me too. I think this is a big part of why. He gave too much information when answering simple questions, but he seemed to actually avoid answering the questions.

Maybe your right, maybe he's just not the sharpest blade. Maybe because I've always gotten a creepy vibe from him, and it's too hard to shake, even now. Maybe especially now.

I don't think he was involved in any way with Caylee's death, but I DO think he's got some deep dark secrets.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

As far as I remember George was wrong about what Caylee was last seen in.

GA and CA said they had never see the tshirt "Big trouble comes in little packages " or something close to that.

In fact, the outfit he described last seeing Caylee in was found in her closet. She was wearing the "trouble" tshirt and striped shorts not the shirt and denim shirt that George said she had on.

This is why I don't believe he ever saw them that morning. And just because he was a cop does not mean he would remember what someone was wearing when questioned a month later. He didn't know it was going to be the last time he saw her and I don't believe a month later he could recall what she was wearing on a specific day. It just doesn't ring true.

Am I misremembering?? Could somebody correct me if Im wrong. Did George's description of what he saw Caylee wearing that last morning differ completely from what she was found in??

You are right and I was wrong. Not sure how I got that mixed up and so sure of it.

 

[cecybeans]

IMO, GA got a look at ICA's report to LE about what Caylee was wearing and simply copied it. I think for some reason he thought it was important to corroborate her story and place them both at the house with KC going off to some nanny and telling him not to expect her back to protect her story because I think he knew from the smell in the car she was into something over her head. It's obvious now that ICA was spending lots of time at other people's places - including time in Feb - April of 2008 at RM's and again from about June 9 to June 14. I think it was simply an attempt to let LE know that this was ICA's (and Caylee's) official residence. CA and GA also insisted in early depos that they knew ICA and Caylee were both in ICA's room that night (although CA later changed it to the fact she knew Caylee was there). I'm thinking GA knew it would look bad for ICA's kidnap story if he didn't corroborate her leaving Hopespring with Caylee. A lot of the spin the Anthonys were putting on things was because they were trying to mitigate the damage to ICA initially. As wrong as that is, she sure didn't lose any time being ungrateful about it.

As for the abuse charges, we have to remember that her first allegations were of abuse toward GA and molestation toward LA. The fact she separated them earlier - and didn't even start to "remember" any sexual abuse from GA until she was in jail makes me think it may have simply been physical. GA has a reputation for a temper. He may have had physical altercations with ICA after the lying and stealing was going on at home - not to mention how many times she apparently left the home with the baby earlier that year. CA mentioned to coworkers that ICA and GA were fighting a lot. ICA has absolutely no fear of her father, imo. I'm sure she threatened both of them with calling LE regarding domestic abuse (and we know LE was out there more than once on domestic disturbance calls). I think she was holding that over his head and he has tried to minimize it in earlier testimony or interviews.

People on other sites who have monitored GA's online "proclivities" say they have nothing to do with children.

Violence of any kind is abhorrent, but I find myself wanting to smack her across the face during those jailhouse visits for the snark and contempt and then fake niceness she oozes toward her parents. I will bet you any money that girl was one nasty little teenager and knew perfectly well how to make the whole family walk on eggshells.

 

[Oakley]

From the beginning, while Cindy was yapping away on the news, George was quiet, for the most part, and I wondered what that was all about and why it was okay with him that she was so vocal. Once George's position changed from his LE interview, I became suspicious of him. Viewing the jail video's caused more confusion for me, especially with Lee and Casey seeming to speak in code (which I don't believe to be true any longer.) In hindsight, I now think George (and Cindy) destroyed their credibility in the public eye with all of their voluntary media exposure. I don't for a second think George was complicit in any way with Caylee's demise or disposal. I feel deeply for him (and Cindy) now. But I can't shake the feeling that they are somehow tiptoeing around in their responses, and although honest for the most part, perhaps (no rotten tomatoes, please) even in collusion with the defense to spare Casey's life, at the expense of their reputation. I hope I am wrong about that. Their attorney said last night on Fox news that Casey is "mentally ill" (I suppose after seeing the psychiatrists' report?) and they want to get help for her. Although from what I understand, it is not a treatable illness. Mr Lippman also said they are on the side of 'justice' and they just want the truth to come out. At the end of the article from the latest People magazine, he is quoted as saying "They support the justice system." That is all we can hope for, IMO.

ETA: For what it's worth, I believe George is very threatening to Casey (I agree she is not one twit afraid of him) because he is on to her, and always has been. Cindy has had suspicions, but could be placated, unlike george.

 

[amysmom]

He's lying about some things but def not what ICA is accusing him of just to save herself.

 

[Doodlelover]

From the beginning, while Cindy was yapping away on the news, George was quiet, for the most part, and I wondered what that was all about and why it was okay with him that she was so vocal. Once George's position changed from his LE interview, I became suspicious of him. Viewing the jail video's caused more confusion for me, especially with Lee and Casey seeming to speak in code (which I don't believe to be true any longer.) In hindsight, I now think George (and Cindy) destroyed their credibility in the public eye with all of their voluntary media exposure. I don't for a second think George was complicit in any way with Caylee's demise or disposal. I feel deeply for him (and Cindy) now. But I can't shake the feeling that they are somehow tiptoeing around in their responses, and although honest for the most part, perhaps (no rotten tomatoes, please) even in collusion with the defense to spare Casey's life, at the expense of their reputation. I hope I am wrong about that. Their attorney said last night on Fox news that Casey is "mentally ill" (I suppose after seeing the psychiatrists' report?) and they want to get help for her. Although from what I understand, it is not a treatable illness. Mr Lippman also said they are on the side of 'justice' and they just want the truth to come out. At the end of the article from the latest People magazine, he is quoted as saying "They support the justice system." That is all we can hope for, IMO.

Oakley, I had the same thought when Baez stated his OS. I thought OMG they agreed to be implicated by Casey in this so as to create reasonable doubt so she wouldn't be convicted with Death and maybe even not LWOP if they did a bang up job of accusing George and making Casey look mentally unstable due to the abuse.

It was my first thought that George was "taking one for the team". They didn't seem horribly upset by the allegations and other than saying "no it didn't happen" nothing else has been brought up at the trial about it, BUT, it may be creating doubt, in fact if you read some blogs and message boards and watch some of the guest speakers on certain shows, there is a certain amount of sympathy and even understanding how she could do this if she had been molested. So??? who knows. If George allowed this to happen with his consent they all need to go to jail.:banghead:

 

[Emeralgem]

Call to ICA cell from Anthony home phone @ 7:45 AM on June 16th. ICA checks VM immediately @ 7:45 as well.

Thank you.. So was Cindi already at work when this call was made, and does that indicate George made the call and Casey was probably not at home?

 

[Paulette]

The only thing George could be cited for is not calling the police the minute he smelled decomp in the car at the tow yard. That is an inexcuseable error because he knew something was amiss.

No, George didn't molest the prisoner IMO.

I bet he wishes everyday that he had called in the decomp smell in the car. Not doing that has caused him to look a fool.

 

[Purple Iris]

Still, they were always aware ICA had issues.CA told others that ICA was a sociopath,that she lied and that she stole. They weren't totally blind to her faults and probably scared out of their minds that she WAS involved. JMO :seeya:

I remember George telling Richard that Casey may have finally come up against someone and crossed them that she couldn't handle.

I can't imagine the terrible thoughts that would have been racing through their minds during those first days and weeks.

But, they had to have come to some point of realization, with sending Dominic Casey out into those woods, etc.

When exactly did they come to terms with "something", behind closed doors that made them want to finally sort out the trueth of perhaps Casey really had done something.

It wasn't just 6weeks ago, IMO.

 

[RR0004]

Baez said in opening statements that the Inmate "learned to lie"/keep secrets, from her parents - and went on to mention George's alleged affair with River, and implied other things George did with the money scams and such, which the Inmate was forced to keep SECRET (from Cindy). Baez wants to paint George as dishonest and sleazy as he can, so the jurors can have reasonable doubt about George sexually abusing his daughter. Imply that George and his daughter had lots of secrets between them. IMO

I think lots of married folks keep things from each other...big whoop...Cindy and DC were also spoken about. I sure hope RC doesn't testify. Her credibility is suspect. IMHO it's a giant leap from escort sites to sexual abuse. He may paint George in an ugly light, but I think the jury has heard enough to be really p$ssed off at Baez for going after the grieving grandfather. I think Baez is just plain lost right now.