is the anthonys' support of casey all a big front at the request of LE?

[azwriter]

In my wildest dreams I can not imagine the Anthony family doing anything at the request of LE.
They have a pattern of doing everything to convience LE Casey is innocent and that Caylee was taken by someone else. Or that she was still alive for the longest time before the remains were found.
I do believe they are not visiting her in jail because of the visits are recorded and they do not want to give LE any hint to what happened to Caylee.
jmo

 

[Friday]

Possibly. I don't think they have first hand knowledge of what Casey did but I believe/hope that LE will share their theories with Cindy and George before the trial.

Why do you hope for that?

 

[SoCalSleuth]

No, I don't believe it's a front because I believe they distrust LE.

 

[Friday]

I don't think the A's are avoiding Casey or choosing not to visit her in jail. They used Caylee's service as a lovefest for her, to send her messages of love and support. CA wears a button that she says is symbolic of Casey, even to court. I think it's more likely Casey won't see them, or uses the excuse that it won't be private or her attorney doesn't want it. She may have no use for them now.

I agree with all you've said here. I also wonder how they interpret KC's refusal to see them and how they feel about it. My own wild guess would be that the A's are convinced she really wants to see them but that she fears a taped jail visit might somehow result in jeopardizing her case.

Any other opinions, anyone?

 

[JWG]

Consider that the Anthony's will go through the five stages of grief:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me", looking for the former spouse in familiar places, or if it is death, setting the table for the person or acting as if they are still in living there. No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the loss.

2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even with spouse of divorce, for death, anger at the deceased, blaming them for leaving.

3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals with the spouse who is leaving, or attempting to make deals with God to stop or change the loss. Begging, wishing, praying for them to come back.

4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of person as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb. Perhaps feeling suicidal.

5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss, not just try to bear it quietly. Realization that it takes two to make or break a marriage. Realization that the person is gone (in death) that it is not their fault, they didn't leave you on purpose. (even in cases of suicide, often the deceased person, was not in their right frame of mind) Finding the good that can come out of the pain of loss, finding comfort and healing. Our goals turn toward personal growth. Stay with fond memories of person.

Note that the Anthony's had to go through the stages of grief twice, and for two loved ones at different times: Caylee and KC. As much as we can hate and disassociate ourselves from KC, her parents can just as easily remember her birth, toddler years, etc. Their grief has to be incredibly complex.

While I don't necessarily think they are working hand in glove with LE on some sort of covert mission to ensure KC's conviction, I suspect that they are at the point where they understand and accept that she must be convicted.

 

[chefmom]

I agree with all you've said here. I also wonder how they interpret KC's refusal to see them and how they feel about it. My own wild guess would be that the A's are convinced she really wants to see them but that she fears a taped jail visit might somehow result in jeopardizing her case.

Any other opinions, anyone?

ITA! As far as KC is concerned, her parents are now useless! They can't get her out of jail, so she has no use for them at this time. She's probably even mad at them somewhat because she knows that some of the things they have said are going to hurt her at trial. AND, they have had chili WITHOUT HER at least several times since she was incarcerated, and she will NEVER forgive them for that!

 

[natsound]

this was before the body was found. not to mention there is speculation that they wanted the body found since they knew where it was, but by someone else; how do we know LE didn't help them come up with a way for someone else to find the body, get immunity, and then convict casey?

might seem crazy, but what in this case hasn't been? :waitasec:

One thing that's hard to keep in mind in this bizarre case is that, at the end of the day, KC is the only crazy one. Most of us don't like the A's less-then-stellar behavior, but their actions have been after the fact. They've been in reaction to what KC did. LE is also not in the twilight zone. We've all been thinking and theorizing this thing into the ground. KC has proven herself bizarre, evil and unpredictable. But with everyone else, I believe the simplest explanations will prevail in the end.

 

[ibyoungr]

Consider that the Anthony's will go through the five stages of grief:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me", looking for the former spouse in familiar places, or if it is death, setting the table for the person or acting as if they are still in living there. No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the loss.

2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even with spouse of divorce, for death, anger at the deceased, blaming them for leaving.

3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals with the spouse who is leaving, or attempting to make deals with God to stop or change the loss. Begging, wishing, praying for them to come back.

4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of person as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb. Perhaps feeling suicidal.

5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss, not just try to bear it quietly. Realization that it takes two to make or break a marriage. Realization that the person is gone (in death) that it is not their fault, they didn't leave you on purpose. (even in cases of suicide, often the deceased person, was not in their right frame of mind) Finding the good that can come out of the pain of loss, finding comfort and healing. Our goals turn toward personal growth. Stay with fond memories of person.

Note that the Anthony's had to go through the stages of grief twice, and for two loved ones at different times: Caylee and KC. As much as we can hate and disassociate ourselves from KC, her parents can just as easily remember her birth, toddler years, etc. Their grief has to be incredibly complex.

While I don't necessarily think they are working hand in glove with LE on some sort of covert mission to ensure KC's conviction, I suspect that they are at the point where they understand and accept that she must be convicted.

ITA!!!

GA and CA definitely had to go through this twice.

The steps you outlined above glaringly illustrates the lack of Casey's movement through these stages.

I guess you can say Casey became stuck in DENIAL.

 

[natsound]

As much as we can hate and disassociate ourselves from KC, her parents can just as easily remember her birth, toddler years, etc. Their grief has to be incredibly complex.

Very true.

 

[natsound]

I agree with all you've said here. I also wonder how they interpret KC's refusal to see them and how they feel about it. My own wild guess would be that the A's are convinced she really wants to see them but that she fears a taped jail visit might somehow result in jeopardizing her case.

Any other opinions, anyone?

I'd think they believe she doesn't want to see them. Remember (according to Hoover) GA was worried he and CA had "thrown KC under the bus". They may be experiencing a lot of guilt and shame. Maybe they're thinking they don't deserve to see her (GA anyway). I get the feeling GA feels like a complete failure.

 

[cyberborg]

Based on the Caylee Memorial and how much it was focused on KC and messages to KC, from CA, from LA and, from GA. GA even asks us to show compassion and send letters of support to KC. They all showed how much they love and support KC. No secret deal with LE.

Sure you don't stop loving someone, I agree BUT a leopard doesn't change its spots and blood is thicker than water. They support KC and the LE are the enemy who are framing her.

KC will NEVER confess because if/when she is found Guilty she can always claim that it is something she did not do, that she would never do ...... and save face. CA will marytr KC and tell everyone that we don't know the truth and that KC went down because there was a major conspiracy and plot ... and she took the fall.

Whether it was an Accident <--> Murder 1 or anything in-between KC wins if she does not admit the truth. We will never know. KC thinks she wins. Game over.

 

[Friday]

Respectfully snipped by me.

I will have to wait until after the depos of CA and GA to see where I think they stand.

I'm doing the same thing. But if either of them lies, evades, dissembles, tries to incriminate an innocent party, or engages in controlling, defiant Anthony-style bad behavior during their deposition, then I'm sorry, but I've had it with that person, permanently. My animosity and contempt for that person will be so strong, that nothing will dilute it. Not even my/our my much-loved and admired Chilly Willy will be able to change my mind, soften my attitude, or cause me to temper the scathing diatribes I'm capable of writing thereafter. (I can already see Chilly laughing and saying 'bring it on," can't you all?) :floorlaugh: (Actually, now she's thinking of countering with "Saddle Up" instead, but she can't because (a) neither of us are LP fans and (b) I just beat her to it.)

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

More seriously, my negative opinion of George and/or Cindy obviously doesn't matter one iota more than anyone else's -- except, perhaps for one thing: I'm in the passive minority here in that I have never faulted the Anthony's for trying not to testify against, publicly shun, or otherwise refuse to condemn their daughter for her crime. IMO, that's just too much to ask of any parent, no matter how misguided their love, or their child, may be.

AND SO, if the Anthony's manage to make me despise them as a result of doing any of the above things i mentioned during their deposition, then it's a safe bet that they will have already incurred the wrath and disgust of the huge majority who are already sick of them, revolted by them, and/or think they should be prosecuted. And I will have become one of them.

The reason that should scare them is because you, and I, and a disproportionately very few others, represent the last of their determinedly logical defenders/supporters. For them to loose someone like me, they have to be mired in some very deep, very sticky, legal ca-ca. IMHO

:blowkiss:

PS: Love to all reading this. I'm stuck in a NY hotel, trying to write a difficult novel, and you're my only outlet. Forgive me for was prosing on and on. This case is the only thing that can revive me from being written-out and brain dead. Plus, ours is the only site I can access.

 

[Friday]

Sigh. I go back and forth so much over my opinion of the Anthony's that now I'm just worn out. I'm done trying to figure them out. Time will tell. The bottom line is that none of us have walked a single step in their shoes. None of us have been put in their unfortunate situation, and none of us know how we really truly would react. The monster is their daughter, their flesh and blood, and I don't know about you all, but I have a son. A son that I love unconditionally. I would hard pressed to EVER turn my back on him, regardless of what he had done. I may abhor something he did, and I may be greatly disappointed in him, but I would always love him. Don't get me wrong, I despise Casey, and I know she is guilty. But Casey is a sick person, not mentally ill necessarily, but she's not like the rest of us. I do think CA and GA know this, they have known this for awhile, and they accept this, like any parent would.

Bolded by me:

I so much agree. I might be horrified or even terrified of what my son/daugther did, but except in the most extreme situations (i.e. serial rapist, serial killer), I believe I would refuse to collaborate with the prosecution. However, I also believe that I would state firmly and publicly--over and over if necessary--to LE and the media, "Please don't ask me to testify against, or voluntarily incriminate, my child, because I can't, and I won't, do that."

But most importantly of all, I also want to believe that even to save my own child, I would never stoop to trying to pass the blame onto someone else's adult child. That, to me, is criminal behavior.

Nor would I be willing, or able, to pretend to myself that I was justified in inventing vicious lies and innuendoes to implicate and humiliate people like JG and RG and LE because they haven't catered to me and I don't like them. That, to me, is sociopathic and downright cruel behavior.

 

[Leila]

I don't believe that the Anthonys are putting on a front in cooperation with LE. From the beginning, GA and CA have done everything in their power to thwart LE's investigation. They insisted that Caylee was alive, kidnapped by the nanny, and got angry with LE at any suggestion that Caylee was deceased and Casey was responsible. A live Caylee exonerated Casey, a dead Caylee would lead to Casey's conviction for murder.

This has never been about Caylee, or seeking justice and truth. It's always been about Casey. This is why GA and CA aligned themselves with an unscrupulous missing child group promoting the "Caylee is alive" mantra, while at the same time hired a private investigator to search for Caylee's remains within a matter of feet from where her remains were eventually found.

The front the Anthony family is putting up is for self-preservation. They fear their daughter will be spending life in prison. They fear charges for themselves for not fully cooperating with the authorities. Lee proclaiming "we are united" at Caylee's memorial was a declaration of the "us versus them" position the Anthony family has taken. They are united in protecting Casey and each other from the authorities.

IMO

 

[ecs5298]

<respectfully snipped>

PS: Love to all reading this. I'm stuck in a NY hotel, trying to write a difficult novel, and you're my only outlet. Forgive me for was prosing on and on. This case is the only thing that can revive me from being written-out and brain dead. Plus, ours is the only site I can access.

You're more that welcome to borrow from our Never Ending Story to liven up the novel. I'm just sayin!

:blowkiss:

(sorry for the OT)

 

[Ezryder9]

Why do you hope for that?

And why would they even consider it?

 

[Friday]

I believe it is no one thing, but a horrible swirling hurricane of many things. There are so many great posts on this thread that I believe to be part of it. This one and the priceless flaming panties theory being my favorites.

I also believe it is a bit of "The Game" that I mentioned on another thread about this very issue. I don't believe LE are involved, but those that have a sociopath know that if you start to talk to them about anything negative they SHUT DOWN. Sometimes can disappear completely. You must show FULL 100% support, sympathy and adoration or they shut down. They had no choice but to play "The Game" hoping to ask questions around her faster than she could talk circles around them, but never going so far with the pushing as to shut her down. It is not a fun game and it relies on a level of deception on your part to play and it is unfortunate for the As (as much as I can't stand them at times) that they had to play "The Game" on the stage of the world. But they had to show her they supported her, even when they didn't want to or they can't keep her talking while they try to put the pieces together themselves....or maybe I give them too much credit.

Your post makes perfect sense, so perhaps you can also answer the question that positively plagues me: I doubt that I laid a hand on either of my children more than 3 or 4 times in their entire lives, but so help me God, if my daughter had behaved as Casey did when LP finally got her released on bond, I'd have gotten truthful answers out of my "cheerleader-daughter" that first night or gone to jail for trying. In less than an hour, I would have gone from loving questions, to cunning interrogation, then threats, and then I would have resorted to violence like smothering with a pillow, repeatedly dunking her head in the toilet, or waving a gun at her and threatening to kill her and myself--all with George's cooperation, of course. :bang:

Nothing would have stopped me, including the presence of the female bounty hunter who I'd have figured out some way to keep out of the way or whatever...

So my question is this: When Cindy and George had Casey at home and "in their clutches" and they realized she was blithely evading their questions, why didn't they get tough with her? They knew she was a liar, they were desperate to find little Caylee, they knew time was of the essence, and they had absolutely nothing to loose by attempting to frighten or bully the truth out of Casey. George might have been hesitatant (or not,) but Cindy isn't afraid of anything, not LE or the media, or her physically smaller daughter, or God Almighty, as far as I can tell.

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to give.

 

[Ezryder9]

Friday, I think you've put your finger on why so many people are so disgusted with the A's. I suspect the biggest part of us would do exactly as you said...get the facts, regardless of what it might take. In fact, because of this case, I have sat with my daughter and told her, straight up, "I love you dearly. Just never, ever, do anything to harm my grandson. I know you wouldn't, but were it to happen, I would stalk you to the ends of the earth." Her response to me was, "I know mom."

Had the A's come out, one time, just once, and made a plea for the 'kidnappers' to return Caylee, just once, I think the public perception would be a bit different. All they ever did, after the 911 calls, was to bash LE and anyone and everyone who was searching for Caylee. <sigh>

 

[ecs5298]

Your post makes perfect sense, so perhaps you can also answer the question that positively plagues me: I doubt that I laid a hand on either of my children more than 3 or 4 times in their entire lives, but so help me God, if my daughter had behaved as Casey did when LP finally got her released on bond, I'd have gotten truthful answers out of my "cheerleader-daughter" that first night or gone to jail for trying. In less than an hour, I would have gone from loving questions, to cunning interrogation, then threats, and then I would have resorted to violence like smothering with a pillow, repeatedly dunking her head in the toilet, or waving a gun at her and threatening to kill her and myself--all with George's cooperation, of course. :bang:

Nothing would have stopped me, including the presence of the female bounty hunter who I'd have figured out some way to keep out of the way or whatever...

So my question is this: When Cindy and George had Casey at home and "in their clutches" and they realized she was blithely evading their questions, why didn't they get tough with her? They knew she was a liar, they were desperate to find little Caylee, they knew time was of the essence, and they had absolutely nothing to loose by attempting to frighten or bully the truth out of Casey. George might have been hesitatant (or not,) but Cindy isn't afraid of anything, not LE or the media, or her physically smaller daughter, or God Almighty, as far as I can tell.

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to give.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


That hits the nail right on the head! She never would have made it back out of that house, besides in a body bag, without telling the truth if she were my daughter.

You need to remember, the reason they didn't do it is the reason that KC is the way she is in the first place.

Doesn't make it any easier to stomach but it does explain the depth of their dysfuntion!

 

[maryaok]

I wish they would work with LE.

I find it to be the ultimate insult to her parents (who I know are messed up, don't get me wrong), the ultimate, ultimate insult, that in the supposed "diary's lost pages" she says she killed Caylee because she's better off dead than under the influence of CA.

Of course the biggest insult of all is that she murdered her own precious beautiful baby girl. SHE MAKES ME SICK.