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Anyone know if the pilot testified at the GJ?
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Is the molester also the killer?
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John went out to the airport to check out the plane on Christmas afternoon. According to Patsy and John, Patsy did not want to go to Michigan at first, but relented and had the Michigan house readied for their arrival. Lights were put up, etc. The trip was planned and they were going to meet John's other children there.
Camper
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WE were told that JR GA group were flying from GA to MPLS to meet JR there, THEN fly on to MI in JR plane.
Correct me IF I err on that.
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Camper I am not very good about all the initials. I assume GA is Georgia, but I don't know what the rest are.
I am not sure if they were picking anyone up. I do know they planned to fly out early December 26th.
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Hmmm, - JR is John Ramsey
MPLS was the old time abreviation for Minneapolis when I worked for Mountain Bell.
GA is the current abreviation for Georgia
MI is the current abreviation for Michigan
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Thanks for the lesson. I never would have guessed MPLS was an abbreviation for Minneapolis.
I recall reading where's John Ramsey calls Mike Archuleta's home the morning of the 26th. Mike's wife answers the phone and tells John that Mike is not home...is on his way to the airport.
Can that be a lie....as in Mike Archuleta is really not driving to the airport...but is flying in to the airport from GA?
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Everything else that the Ramsey's said was a lie....why not that?? IMO Oh what a tangled web we weave......
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Toltec, you must be remembering the mountain of research MJenn and others did to prove it was possible JAR was actually in Boulder and back to Atlanta that night in time to catch a flight with his sister the next morning. But why? They had the timing all worked out, and the ATM picture was just of the top of someone's head, wearing a baseball cap.
However I really don't think the semen stained blanket was put into the suitcase with the book that fateful night by JAR himself. Someone else must have put that "evidence" together along with the other staging. One of my many tentative theories is that whatever was happening to JonBenet all along was related to someone's bizarre beliefs rubbing off on some of the "friends". Maybe a revival of Celtic rituals with variations. They believed their harps were magical, and some bodies have been found preserved by the chemicals of peat bogs.
If anyone's interested, search "Lindow Man" and Bog Man. There's a map of Denmark with a lot more dots on it, some representing skeletons, and some preserved bodies.
It's said Lindow man's manicured nails and beard suggested he may have been a Druid priest instead of a criminal. A picture of just his head looks like he was hit on the head with a big axe, and the forehead part was jutting way out, also one eye.
They say it was a "threefold death", bludgeoning, garrotting, and drowning.
McReynolds' harp and several other things bother me, and in a sense JonBenet suffered a "threefold death" too. Bludgeoning, garrotting, and assault with a sharp object.
I read somewhere they buried their sacrificed victims below grade, or in water. Some say she was killed somewhere else, maybe where McReynolds with his heart condition wouldn't have to climb any steps? Wasn't some of his DNA mixed in with what was found? Or was that Barnhill's, where she'd probably visited a lot and played with her dog Jacques.
Just some wild thoughts.
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--->>>That is what I have always believed. THAT 'someone'
was shuttled out of Boulder that night. I also believe that
someone accompanied the 'person' to handle them in a state
of panic and or being under the influence. RUI if you will
'riding under the influence' and needing the attention of
someone other than the pilot.
JR's plane was very very fast with the new things he added
well described in DOI by JR himself. I never checked the dollar
outlay for the NEW faster things he had added to the plane, yet
he then sold the plane to his pilot, electronic media stated
at a greatly reduced price.
JR sold the plane the end of 1997 to help pay for his legal fees, per
DOI.
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Camper,
Although an interesting theory it suffers from the similar drawback that Steve Thomas' Toilet Rage has, e.g. its inconsistent with the forensic evidence, that is if a 3rd party was ferried out of Boulder that night, why was JonBenet's corpse not also transported out too, since many have speculated the reason she was left in the wine-cellar was due to the reluctance to dump her body outdoors?
Similar reasoning can be applied to aspects of BlueCrab's BDI.
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Camper
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--->>>Yet another question UKGuy, that only the participants
could answer for.
WE as sleuths can only speculate on what WE would 'have' done.
WE cannot put ourselves into the madness and panic of 'that'
night. Plus there are more of us than there were of 'them'
to have more complex and complete coverage of 'how come'
speculations.
JR himself said it looked like an 'in house' job. IF IF he is
correct, then to have kept the perpetrator 'close' would have
been another person to 'die' in prison.
More complex thinking on 'that' night may have eluded those
involved.
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What?
Camper
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--->>>Not sure what your 'what' references.
The unanswered question that UKGuy posted from his post #51
was this-----"""why was JonBenet's corpse not also transported
out too, since many have speculated the reason she was left in the
wine-cellar was due to the reluctance to dump her body
outdoors?
MY answer to UKGuy question was in the next post and was this,
"""More complex thinking on 'that' night may have eluded
those involved.""" ANY childs mother could have revolted
against dumping her baby into the freezing winter night, over
activities that she found revolting in the first place.
PS Perhaps sloppy police work was involved in checking the
airtime and mileage log of 'the' plane, stopover refueling
records on typical 'refuel trips' to GA most likely were
never done, nor most likely the speed of the sooped up
plane was never evaluated.
JUST HOW many 'private' planes are fueled in the middle of the night
ON Christmas night, my guess is NOT very MANY.
Fact is that some of ALL murders are never solved for one
reason or group of reasons.
Columbo cannot be everywhere plus he is getting old. He never
really had much of a travel budget either, but he managed to
wind things up in good order in just one hour. Hmmm.
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Yes, and on CSI shows they draw conclusions from the evidence they do find. Imagine that!
Thanks for posting that explanation Camper. Like Solace, I was thinking "what", but didn't want to post it.
If you insert John Andrew into the house that night, a lot of things sure do make sense. But how do you place him in the house?
John got a lawyer for his ex-wife. I don't think this was cautious overkill. He was trying to wall her off because of what she knew about that night or because she had information about John or John Andrew's behavior in the past that could prove to be damaging. If it was information about that night then it had to involve John Andrew.
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------>>>Well I have been shining my one watt flashlight in
a very dark place for 10 years.
I would first of all taken all of the guests at the Christmas
dinner that JAR attended, and SEPARATED THEM ALL. First question
would have been, what color were the dinner plates? 2. What did the
centerpiece look like? 3. Was dinner buffet style or serviced from
the table? 4. What kind of meat was served and how were
they prepared? 5. What desserts were served, and where were
they placed? 6. What was JAR wearing? 7. When did JAR leave the
dinner? 8. What time did dinner start, when everyone sat down
together? This one is a big question.
The couple of Boulder Detectives that were sent to GA failed to
accomplish their task,imop.
The moment LE had heard from the 'family' that they were ALL
at the dinner together. LE should have gotten all the names
and addresses of the 'guests', continued with typical
questions on this and that, then thanked the family and left.
Then they should have gone to the GA police and gotten enough
officers together to each arrive at each guests home, and ask
the above questions. This would have to have been done before
all the principals had gotten together and made up their
individual stories.
That would have been a good start imop. I doubt that any of
us would still be posting about this case after 10 years here
on Websleuths.
Dinner in GA IF IF IF it were at 6PM, would have been 4 PM
Mountain Time. We donut know WHEN dinner was served Christmas
Day in GA.
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transporting the killer away from the crime scene and body separates the two,which may have been what they wanted?That is,IF it was not JR or PR,but someone they knew.
JMO8778,
Sure, separating the killer from the crime scene surely does not preclude also removing the body, otherwise those resident at the crime scene become prime suspects?
The same reasoning applies if the 3rd party left on foot or by car etc, if the 3rd party can remove forensic evidence, why not remove the body too?
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he didn't want to risk getting caught with it,or being in the same vicinity at the same time?
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