Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #10

Status
Not open for further replies.
33s ago
Dr. Mohammed Obeid, a surgeon at Al Shifa hospital, shared his testimony with Médecins Sans Frontières today, saying:

“There is no electricty… There is no water. There is no food. Our team is exhausted. We had two neonatal patients die actually beause the incubator is not working because there is no electricity…
We are nearly sure that we are alone now. No one hears us...
The problem is to be sure that we can evacuate the neonatal patients because we have about 37 to 40 premature babies.”


 
BY ISABEL DEBRE
Updated 8:59 PM GMT, November 11, 2023

The claims and counterclaims over Gaza’s hospitals have raised pressing questions about what is allowed under international laws governing war.

International humanitarian law lends hospitals special protections during war. But hospitals can lose their protections if combatants use them to hide fighters or store weapons, the International Committee of the Red Cross said.

Nonetheless, there must be plenty of warning before attacks to allow for the safe evacuation of patients and medical workers, ICRC legal officer Cordula Droege said.

Even if Israel succeeds in proving Shifa conceals a Hamas command center, the tenets of international law remain in place, said Jessica Wolfendale, expert in military ethics at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio.

“It doesn’t license an instant attack,” she said. “Steps need to be taken to protect the innocent as much as possible.”

If the harm to civilians is disproportionate to the military objective, the attack is illegal under international law.

In an editorial published Friday in Britain’s The Guardian newspaper, International Criminal Court prosecutor Karim Khan issued a warning to combatants that the burden of proof is on them if they claim hospitals, schools or houses of worship have lost their protected status because they are being used for military purposes. And the bar for evidence is very high.

“If there is a doubt that a civilian object has lost its protective status, the attacker must assume that it is protected,” Khan wrote. “The burden of demonstrating that this protective status is lost rests with those who fire the gun, the missile, or the rocket in question.”

I think IDF is documenting weapons at tunnels, schools, hospitals, etc . We've seen many video and photos from IDF. IDF has constantly notified citizens, via phone calls, leaflets, X formerly Twitter, the Red Crescent, and spoke with hospital administrators, and the media to evacuate thru designated areas.

It's Hamas who will have trouble proving anything in a UN court.
Moo...
 
BY ISABEL DEBRE
Updated 8:59 PM GMT, November 11, 2023

The claims and counterclaims over Gaza’s hospitals have raised pressing questions about what is allowed under international laws governing war.

International humanitarian law lends hospitals special protections during war. But hospitals can lose their protections if combatants use them to hide fighters or store weapons, the International Committee of the Red Cross said.

Nonetheless, there must be plenty of warning before attacks to allow for the safe evacuation of patients and medical workers, ICRC legal officer Cordula Droege said.

Even if Israel succeeds in proving Shifa conceals a Hamas command center, the tenets of international law remain in place, said Jessica Wolfendale, expert in military ethics at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio.

“It doesn’t license an instant attack,” she said. “Steps need to be taken to protect the innocent as much as possible.”

If the harm to civilians is disproportionate to the military objective, the attack is illegal under international law.

In an editorial published Friday in Britain’s The Guardian newspaper, International Criminal Court prosecutor Karim Khan issued a warning to combatants that the burden of proof is on them if they claim hospitals, schools or houses of worship have lost their protected status because they are being used for military purposes. And the bar for evidence is very high.

“If there is a doubt that a civilian object has lost its protective status, the attacker must assume that it is protected,” Khan wrote. “The burden of demonstrating that this protective status is lost rests with those who fire the gun, the missile, or the rocket in question.”

As I see it:
* Israel  has provided such evidence
* Israel has " protected the innocent as much as possible"
* I'm pretty sure the opposing team doesn't give a (rhymes with SPAM) about " international law" (jmo)
 

UK​

Israel-Gaza: Union members block arms factory in protest over conflict​


Activists blockade factory
PA MEDIA
Workers for a Free Palestine organised a blockade of an arms factory in Rochester, Kent

By Flaminia Luck & PA Media
BBC News

Hundreds of trade union members blockaded a factory which manufactures weapons in protest over the Israel-Gaza conflict.

Demonstrators blocked entrances to the BAE Systems site in Rochester, Kent, at about 07:00 GMT on Friday.

They claim the factory provides components for military aircraft being used to bomb Gaza.

A spokesperson for BAE said: "We respect everyone's right to protest peacefully."
The blockade was organised as part of an International Day of Action for Palestine.
Members are calling for "an end to the UK government's complicity in war crimes being committed in Palestine", which includes an end to arms sales to Israel and support for an immediate ceasefire.

The Ministry of Defence declined to comment.

Demonstrators outside weapons factory in Kent

PA Media
The blockade was organised as part of an International Day of Action, which involves protests around the world


Blockade at weapons factory
SUSANNAH IRELAND/REUTERS
Demonstrators are calling for an immediate ceasefire and an end to "British complicity in Israeli war crimes"

[…]

BAE Systems' spokesperson said they were "horrified" by the situation in Israel and Gaza and the "devastating impact it's having on civilians".

[…]

Kent Police said the demonstration remained peaceful with no arrests, and dispersed at 14:10 GMT.

 

Conflicting reports about Gaza hospital conditions and attacks​

Paul Adams
Reporting from Jerusalem

Reports from Gaza’s beleaguered hospitals paint a grim picture of deteriorating conditions inside. Electricity, food and fuel are in short supply and war is raging all around.

At Gaza’s largest hospital, Al Shifa, the staff say the building has been hit, damaging the intensive care unit.

The aid group Doctors Without Borders says the hospital has been hit several times.
But Israeli officials paint a very different picture.

Speaking in Arabic, Colonel Moshe Tetro said there were clashes nearby between Hamas and Israeli forces, but no shooting at the hospital itself. And no siege.
Anyone who wanted to leave, he said, could do so. To say otherwise, he insisted was a lie.

One of Gaza’s much smaller hospitals, Al Rantisi, has been more or less evacuated, leaving just a handful of patients and staff inside.

Israel, which accuses Hamas of using hospitals as cover for its fighters, is trying to persuade others to follow suit.

And, for the first time, Israel looks set to get directly involved in evacuating patients.

The IDF’s chief spokesman, Daniel Hagari, said the staff at Al Shifa had asked for help in rescuing babies from the hospital’s paediatric department.

He said this would happen tomorrow, but didn’t give any details.

 
1m ago

Only 7 out of the 18 ambulances belonging to the Palestinian Red Cross Society are functioning in Gaza and the northern regions.

“The remaining vehicles are at risk of completely ceasing operations in the coming hours due to fuel depletion,” the PRCS said on Saturday.


 
33s ago
Dr. Mohammed Obeid, a surgeon at Al Shifa hospital, shared his testimony with Médecins Sans Frontières today, saying:




How does he know that the IDF bombed the hospital? He's making an assumption that Hamas is not killing their own people, but we know that Hamas is killing civilians in Gaza.
 
1m ago

Only 7 out of the 18 ambulances belonging to the Palestinian Red Cross Society are functioning in Gaza and the northern regions.




They've been crying wolf about no fuel for 3.5 weeks. No one believes them anymore. The fuel is available to Hamas, which is underneath the hospital. That's who they need to talk to about fuel and electricity.

I'm inclined to believe that 11/18 ambulances are unavailable because they are used to transport terrorists. It's all explained here:

 
Last edited:
NOV 8, 2023
Five new ambulances sent by Kuwait entered the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, as the UN's human rights chief visited the Rafah crossing that has become the only route for humanitarian assistance to the heavily bombarded enclave.

Twelve ambulances have been delivered to Egypt's North Sinai city of Arish together with several aid shipments from Kuwait after the Israel-Gaza war began on October 7, the Kuwait News Agency reported.

NOV 10, 2023
Seven more Kuwaiti ambulances have reached the Gaza Strip from Egypt's Rafah Crossing Point as part of Kuwait's relief and humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza, said Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) on Friday.

PRCS' Media Chief said in a press statement that the charity has taken delivery of seven more ambulances from Kuwait as a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian people amid the continued aggression on Gaza.

Thus, the Palestinian charity has received a total of 12 ambulances, he said, speaking highly of the efforts of Kuwaiti people and charities in aiding the health sector.
 
Last edited:

In pictures: Ground battles rage and thousands flee the north​

The Israeli military has continued to hit the Gaza Strip with air strikes today, as soldiers continue to operate as part of its ongoing ground operation against Hamas.
Meanwhile, as the battles have intensified around Gaza City, thousands of people continue to flee the violence and evacuate to the south.

1699746303331.jpeg

ReutersCopyright: Reuters
The Israeli military released some pictures of soldiers operating inside Gaza

1699746553266.jpeg

EPA-EFE/REX/ShutterstockCopyright: EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock
Hundreds of Palestinians evacuating to the south, as Israel's offensive ramps up around Gaza city


1699746520270.jpeg

ReutersCopyright: Reuters
Israel has continued to hit southern Gaza with air strikes


1699746262000.jpeg

ReutersCopyright: Reuters
The aftermath of one air strike on Rafah

 
Last edited:

UK​

Israel-Gaza: Union members block arms factory in protest over conflict​


Activists blockade factory
PA MEDIA
Workers for a Free Palestine organised a blockade of an arms factory in Rochester, Kent

By Flaminia Luck & PA Media
BBC News

Hundreds of trade union members blockaded a factory which manufactures weapons in protest over the Israel-Gaza conflict.

Demonstrators blocked entrances to the BAE Systems site in Rochester, Kent, at about 07:00 GMT on Friday.

They claim the factory provides components for military aircraft being used to bomb Gaza.

A spokesperson for BAE said: "We respect everyone's right to protest peacefully."
The blockade was organised as part of an International Day of Action for Palestine.
Members are calling for "an end to the UK government's complicity in war crimes being committed in Palestine", which includes an end to arms sales to Israel and support for an immediate ceasefire.

The Ministry of Defence declined to comment.

Demonstrators outside weapons factory in Kent

PA Media
The blockade was organised as part of an International Day of Action, which involves protests around the world


Blockade at weapons factory
SUSANNAH IRELAND/REUTERS
Demonstrators are calling for an immediate ceasefire and an end to "British complicity in Israeli war crimes"

[…]

BAE Systems' spokesperson said they were "horrified" by the situation in Israel and Gaza and the "devastating impact it's having on civilians".

[…]

Kent Police said the demonstration remained peaceful with no arrests, and dispersed at 14:10 GMT.

From what I've read, the UK does not export arms to Israel. Israel imports arms from the US and Germany. The linked article notes the sources of Israel's imported arms.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ranked-worlds-10th-largest-weapons-exporter-in-past-five-years/

It would seem that the demonstrators were possibly targeting a company that either does not export to Israel or plays a minor role in such exports.
 
2m ago

Infants at Gaza’s Al Quds hospital are facing dehydration due to a shortage of breast milk alternatives, the Palestinian Red Crescent Society announced on Saturday.

I don't understand. Doctors are letting the babies die of dehydration because they don't have infant formula? Can the babies have water? That should solve the dehydration problem, shouldn't it?
 
From what I've read, the UK does not export arms to Israel. Israel imports arms from the US and Germany. The linked article notes the sources of Israel's imported arms.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ranked-worlds-10th-largest-weapons-exporter-in-past-five-years/

It would seem that the demonstrators were possibly targeting a company that either does not export to Israel or plays a minor role in such exports.

BAE Systems shares rise on Israel's multibillion-dollar F-35 order​

Published: 12:04 03 Jul 2023

BAE supplies key parts for the F-35, including the rear fuselage, tail and electronics
BAE Systems PLC - BAE Systems shares rise after multibillion-dollar Israel F-35 order

An F-35 Lightening II

Shares in UK defence firm BAE Systems PLC (LSE:BA.) rose after Israel unveiled a new order for F-35 fighter jets on Sunday.

Israel will boost its F-35 Lightening II fleet by 50% through the US$3bn order, with many parts set to be supplied by BAE.

[…]

Israel will acquire 25 new models of stealth fighter jet, of which BAE builds around 15%, excluding propulsion, under an agreement with Lockheed.

[…]

Britain, the United States, Canada, Australia and several European nations operate the F-35, with Israel’s soon-to-be 75-strong fleet making it the only middle eastern country to use the jet.

“This acquisition will expand the world's most advanced stealth aircraft fleet,” Israel’s Ministry of Defence said, with funding set to come from United States' aid.

BAE rose 0.6% to 932p.

 
IMO, many of the hostages are no longer alive. When one studies the biographies of the hostages that have been posted online, a great many are older people who are in need of medications. Others were injured when they were seized. Some of the younger women were raped and beaten. It is likely that some of the hostages were shot or stabbed. When one considers the conditions during their abduction and the probable lack of medical care and medications, it is likely that a large percentage did not survive. Stress also exacerbates illness and injury. Some were probably murdered in Gaza - there is no reason to think the killing would stop once they left Israel's borders. There are photographs of wanton executions inside the Israeli kibbutzes - undoubtedly these executions continued once the hostages were inside Gaza.

In the past, Hamas has negotiated for years over the return of human remains. I think the lack of negotiations really indicates that Hamas has very few live hostages at this point. JMO
Sadly, I agree. My heart just breaks for the families and the hostages.

It's really low they took children. So disappointing the UN won't take a stand for the children, at the very least.

Moo
 
Last edited:
NEW

Fears for premature babies as intensive care loses power​

Tom Bateman
BBC News

The BBC has been sent pictures of at least 20 new-born babies being kept in a surgical theatre at Al-Shifa hospital, as doctors warn they may die.

The neonatal intensive care unit has stopped working due to the lack of electricity, doctors said earlier.

“I’m afraid if we leave these children in this unit in this condition we are allowing them to die… they are premature babies”, said Dr Marwan Abu Saada, head of surgery, in a voice note passed on to the BBC.

The pictures show infants wrapped in blankets and lined up in rows on adult hospital beds. Many of them appear to have tape on their faces suggesting the need for oxygen administration.

Doctors have warned for at least a fortnight that the number of available incubators was being reduced due to the power shortage amid the ongoing Israeli siege.

Dr Abu Saada said the babies need intensive care, life support equipment and artificial respiration.

Earlier, Physicians for Human Rights Israel said two premature infants have already died, with a "real risk" to the lives of 37 others.

As we’ve been reporting, the Israeli army said it would help evacuate babies from Al-Shifa to a “safer” hospital on Sunday, following a request from the hospital administration.

Dr Abu Saada said his understanding was discussions were “open” through the Red Cross but said the bombardment near the hospital meant it was extremely dangerous and there was no other facility in Gaza that could accommodate so many premature infants. He said the hospital instead urgently needs fuel to restore power.

 
3m ago
Here are some images coming through the newswires of hundreds of thousands of demonstrators that marched around the world over the weekend in pro-Palestine rallies amid Israel’s deadly airstrikes across Gaza that have killed over 11,000 Palestinians within the last month:

Hundreds of thousands of people march for Palestine in London, England, UK - 11 Nov 2023

Hundreds of thousands of people march for Palestine in London, England, UK - 11 Nov 2023Photograph: Vuk Valcic/ZUMA Press Wire/Shutterstock


Thousands of demonstrators protesting against the Israeli attacks against Gaza in response to the attack by the Islamist movement Hamas from October 7 enlighten their mobile phones during a demonstration in support of the Palestine people. Barcelona, Spain - 11 Nov 2023

Thousands of demonstrators protesting against the Israeli attacks against Gaza in response to the attack by the Islamist movement Hamas from October 7 enlighten their mobile phones during a demonstration in support of the Palestine people. Barcelona, Spain - 11 Nov 2023 Photograph: Shutterstock


Women and children march to stage a demonstration against Israel's bombardments on Gaza Strip, in Ankara, Turkiye on November 11, 2023.

Women and children march to stage a demonstration against Israel's bombardments on Gaza Strip, in Ankara, Turkiye on November 11, 2023. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Anadolu/Getty Images


People hold a placard in a demonstration demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and in support of Palestinians in Gaza, as the conflict between Israel and Palestinian Islamist group Hamas continues, in Paris, France, November 11, 2023. Placard reads: Cease fire!.

People hold a placard in a demonstration demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and in support of Palestinians in Gaza, as the conflict between Israel and Palestinian Islamist group Hamas continues, in Paris, France, November 11, 2023. Placard reads: "Cease fire!". Photograph: Claudia Greco/Reuters


Thousands of pro-Palestinians demonstrators, part of a 'Flood Manhattan for Gaza' protest, march from Columbus Circle to Grand Central in New York, United States on November 10, 2023.

Thousands of pro-Palestinians demonstrators, part of a 'Flood Manhattan for Gaza' protest, march from Columbus Circle to Grand Central in New York, United States on November 10, 2023. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Anadolu/Getty Images


 
Demonstrators hold up placards with the lettering reading 'Oh sorry, you are tired of seeing it - they are tired of living it' (L), 'Palestine is tired of bearing the consequences of German Nazi crimes against 6 million Jews' (C), and others as they take part in a rally in solidarity with Palestinians at Oranienplatz Square in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, Germany, on November 11, 2023.

Demonstrators hold up placards with the lettering reading 'Oh sorry, you are tired of seeing it - they are tired of living it' (L), 'Palestine is tired of bearing the consequences of German Nazi crimes against 6 million Jews' (C), and others as they take part in a rally in solidarity with Palestinians at Oranienplatz Square in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, Germany, on November 11, 2023. Photograph: Tobias Schwarz/AFP/Getty Images


Pro-Palestine protestests hold a rally at Port Botany Boat Ramp. 'Stop the Genocide in Gaza - block the Zim boat' rally, Port Botany Boat Ramp, Sydney, NSW, Australia - 11 Nov 2023

Pro-Palestine protestests hold a rally at Port Botany Boat Ramp. 'Stop the Genocide in Gaza - block the Zim boat' rally, Port Botany Boat Ramp, Sydney, NSW, Australia - 11 Nov 2023Photograph: Richard Milnes/Shutterstock

 
gettyimages-17113819941_custom-0b03daa5bd1bd512a80b2044ba3dd4c0f0bb23be-s1100-c50.jpg

Sat., Oct. 7: Israeli fire brigade teams douse the blaze in a parking lot outside a residential building following a rocket attack from the Gaza Strip in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon. Ahmad Gharabli/AFP via Getty Image

ap23282221699747_custom-7519f66d16a448a3927bdba3cff7c6ddd49fa9ad-s1100-c50.jpg

Mon., Oct. 9: Israelis inspect a damaged residential building after it was hit by a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip, in Ashkelon, Israel. Erik Marmor/AP

gettyimages-1716510995_slide-baf5da1dfd4f4e22f6106e56242c2e47e01a3173-s1100-c50.jpg

Tues., Oct. 10: A man holds his child while taking cover behind a vehicle amid a rocket attack from Gaza. Ilia yefimovich/picture alliance via Getty Images

gettyimages-1716318112_slide-9f72cf5c5e6870508d202ae02434ae6abf3e8244-s1100-c50.jpg

Tues., Oct. 10: A salvo of rockets fired by Palestinian militants from Gaza towards Israel.
Mahmud Hams/AFP via Getty Images

ap23284478728901_slide-f8b1b160f2c3c3c1975498d9485a752ce91916df-s1100-c50.jpg

Wed., Oct. 11: Israelis take cover from the incoming rocket fire from the Gaza Strip in Ashkelon, southern Israel. Leo Correa/AP

 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
105
Guests online
1,353
Total visitors
1,458

Forum statistics

Threads
626,630
Messages
18,529,888
Members
241,101
Latest member
cvb56
Back
Top