Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #10

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Why should Israel settle for "up to 70 hostages" in exchange for 275 detained Palestinians and a five day ceasefire?
Because EACH life matters!!!!
70 families - more or less - will be happy!!!!

"Better a sparrow in the hand
Than
A dove on the roof"

(As we say in my country)

The Art of Compromise :)

JMO
 
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The weather in arish and Israel is mid 60’s nite and mid 70’s day.
 
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I hope you are right—though they may have just been moved and picture taken prior to bundling. No way to know for sure.
They were loosing body heat every min. Moo
 
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As war grinds on, Israel sees sharp drop in rocket attacks from Gaza

Sooner or later, Hamas will lose the ability to use far reaching weapons.

I have wondered how deep the Hamas supplies are. I am sure they had plenty, but how long will it last.
How long till their rockets are depleted, their own food is depleted, their own fuel is depleted.

imo
 
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Why should Israel settle for "up to 70 hostages" in exchange for 275 detained Palestinians and a five day ceasefire?
Why on earth wouldn't Israel agree to the release of 70 more hostages?

JMO
 
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The Israel Defense Force has Confirmed that 19 y/o Noa Marciano, an IDF Soldier who was taken Hostage by Hamas during the Surprise Attack against Southern Israel on October 7th has Died and that her Family has been Notified; the “Al-Qassam Brigades” of Hamas released a Video today which showed the Body of Noa and claimed that she was Killed by an Israeli Airstrike against Gaza on November 9th, however some Palestinian Sources are stating that she was actually Killed by several Strikes to the Head by her Hamas Captors.
 
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Why on earth wouldn't Israel agree to the release of 70 more hostages?

JMO
If this is true -
(some say everything is a lie :rolleyes: )
I really think the public will never forget and forgive.

The hostages are symbol of a nation IMO.

This wound will never heal if the hostages are not saved :(

JMO
 
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Why on earth wouldn't Israel agree to the release of 70 more hostages?

JMO
It rewards Hamas for what they did Oct 7. Why doesn't Hamas release all hostages for a cease fire?
 
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7m ago

Journalists in southern Lebanon said they were targeted in Israeli strikes, which Al Jazeera said lightly wounded its photographer.

About a dozen journalists from several media outlets were on a tour around the town of Yaroun when the incident took place on Monday, AFP reported.

Al Jazeera said its photographer, Issam Mawasi, was “lightly wounded as a result of Israeli bombing”. Al Jazeera’s Lebanon bureau chief, Mazen Ibrahim, accused Israel of “directly targeting” the group, adding that the journalists were in an open area.

The mayor of Yarun, Ali Qassem Tahfah, said two successive Israeli strikes on Monday “targeted the group of journalists,” hitting several metres from the teams’ vehicles and causing damage.

The Israeli army did not immediately comment on the incident.

 
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It doesn't appear that anyone is any longer denying that Hamas has built its headquarters under the Al Shifa hospital. Why is all the call for cease fire directed at Israel and not at Hamas?
 
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2m ago

The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) has said that the only power generator at Al-Amal hospital in southern Gaza has stopped working.

In a statement posted to social media, the PRCS said the lives of 90 patients at the hospital are at risk, including 25 in the medical rehabilitation section “who now face the risk of death at any moment”.

It said the hospital is relying on a “very small” generator and that the remaining fuel is expected to run out within the 24 hours.


 
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IDF bids to back up its claims about Hamas and hospitals​


Nick Beake
Reporting from Jerusalem

The Israel Defense Force's chief spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari set high expectations, promising his briefing would expose to the world that Hamas uses hospitals as an “instrument of war.”

The BBC has no way of verifying the claims made this evening.

Hagari showed himself in one video pointing to what he called a covert “terror tunnel” which reached 20m below ground.

He said an electrical panel and protruding cables proved solar panels had been powering a bunker and this was being explored further by an Israeli military robot. There was no further evidence presented for the existence of a command centre but Hagari said investigations continued.

Attention then shifted to the inside of the Rantisi hospital, which Hagari explained was a basement that was “disconnected” from the rest of the complex and had been used as an “armoury”.

In another room, a piece of rope next to a chair leg was highlighted as proof that hostages had been held here – along with the existence of a poorly plumbed toilet.
In one of the final videos, Hagari drew back curtains to reveal a wall with no windows. He said this would have been intended to conceal the true location of the building in any films that Hamas would want to make.

A neat, makeshift calendar on the wall was said to bear the name that Hamas gave their 7 October attacks and the ensuing days had been ticked off.

Hagari said there were already enough signs to show that Hamas - and hostages – had been in the hospital and that more investigations were under way.

 
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Why should Israel settle for "up to 70 hostages" in exchange for 275 detained Palestinians and a five day ceasefire?
Now that IDF is sitting at their front door and they can't move.

Moo..they will require IDF to retreat. Hamas will regroup and come more fierce than ever.

I don't know what the right answer is. My family's close friends son was a POW for many years. We prayed every meal, night, church, we begged God the president, anyone we could for him for his release. I was six.
Then I walked in after school one day, the house was full. Spanky was coming home I was 12.
I can't deny any family that joy, relief, no words for the feelings. I still get emotional.
70 women and children ....

moo
 
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If this is true -
(some say everything is a lie :rolleyes: )
I really think the public will never forget and forgive.

The hostages are symbol of a nation IMO.
BBM. Many of the families of hostages agree and have participated in protests. If 76% wanted Netanyahu to resign on Nov. 7, I can't imagine what the % would be today.

JMO

A Nov. 3 poll found 76% of Israelis want Netanyahu to resign. On Nov. 7, a leading pro-Netanyahu newspaper reversed its stance and ran an editorial calling for his ouster after the war. Polls taken last month show Netanyahu would lose if elections were held now.

In power for most of the past 16 years, Netanyahu has long portrayed himself as tough on security. But critics say he strayed from that focus, and gambled with it.
 
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Hamas has command node under Al-Shifa hospital, US official says​

By Jake Tapper, CNN
Mon November 13, 2023

CNN —
A US official with knowledge of American intelligence says Hamas has a command node under the Al-Shifa hospital, uses fuel intended for it and its fighters regularly cluster in and around Gaza’s largest hospital.

The information comes after comments made Sunday by a top White House official that Hamas is using hospitals and civilian facilities.

“You can see even from open-source reporting that Hamas does use hospitals, along with a lot of other civilian facilities, for command-and-control, for storing weapons, for housing its fighters,” National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said on CNN’s State of the Union. “Without getting into this specific hospital or that specific claim, this is Hamas’ track record, both historically and in this conflict.”

Israel has insisted it is justified in taking military action around the hospital, despite criticism from the UN and other international organizations. The Israeli government announced it has created evacuation corridors and called for the removal of civilians, in addition to providing fuel.

Hamas and hospital officials have denied the accusation that the hospital is being used as a command center.

The news that US intelligence assessments appear to back Israel’s claims comes as global attention is focused on the fighting around the hospital and reports suggest several patients, including children, have died in what the hospital’s director has called “catastrophic” conditions.

“There is no more water, food, milk for children and babies… the situation in the hospital is catastrophic,” the director of the medical center, Dr. Muhammad Abu Salmiya, told CNN on Monday.

But Israel has insisted that patients can be evacuated from the hospital.

“There’s no reason why we just can’t take the patients out of there, instead of letting Hamas use it as a command center for terrorism, for the rockets that they fire against Israel, for the terror tunnels that they use to kill Israeli civilians,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash on State of the Union.

Netanyahu added that Israel is “treading carefully when it comes to hospitals. But we’re also not going to give immunity to the terrorists.”

CIA declined to comment. CNN has not seen the intelligence cited by the US official.

Dr. Munir Al-Bursh, the director-general of the Hamas-controlled health ministry, said Monday that medical staff at Al-Shifa had refused an IDF evacuation order because they fear approximately 700 patients will die if they are left behind.

“The problem is not the doctors, it’s the patients. And if they are left behind, they will die, and if they are transferred, they will die on the way, this is the problem, we are talking about 700 patients,” Al-Bursh told CNN on Monday.

“There has been no response until now by the doctors, but some of the displaced people and families have already been leaving.”

The World Health Organization says Al-Shifa has been without power for three days. “Regrettably, the hospital is not functioning as a hospital anymore,” it said.

 
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IDF bids to back up its claims about Hamas and hospitals​


Nick Beake
Reporting from Jerusalem

The Israel Defense Force's chief spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari set high expectations, promising his briefing would expose to the world that Hamas uses hospitals as an “instrument of war.”

The BBC has no way of verifying the claims made this evening.

Hagari showed himself in one video pointing to what he called a covert “terror tunnel” which reached 20m below ground.

He said an electrical panel and protruding cables proved solar panels had been powering a bunker and this was being explored further by an Israeli military robot. There was no further evidence presented for the existence of a command centre but Hagari said investigations continued.

Attention then shifted to the inside of the Rantisi hospital, which Hagari explained was a basement that was “disconnected” from the rest of the complex and had been used as an “armoury”.

In another room, a piece of rope next to a chair leg was highlighted as proof that hostages had been held here – along with the existence of a poorly plumbed toilet.
In one of the final videos, Hagari drew back curtains to reveal a wall with no windows. He said this would have been intended to conceal the true location of the building in any films that Hamas would want to make.

A neat, makeshift calendar on the wall was said to bear the name that Hamas gave their 7 October attacks and the ensuing days had been ticked off.

Hagari said there were already enough signs to show that Hamas - and hostages – had been in the hospital and that more investigations were under way.

I guess the BBC doesn't find it at all suspicious that a hospital has a stash of hand grenades and AK-47s and chairs with ropes on them.
 
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1m ago

UN says school and staff building 'directly hit' by strike​

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) has said that one of its schools in northern Gaza and a building designated as a residence for UN international staff in the Rafah area were directly hit by strikes.

In its daily update on Monday, the agency said UN international staff present in Rafah had left the building 90 minutes before the strike, and that no casualties were reported. The strike “is yet another indication that nowhere is safe in Gaza", it said.

The UN agency said the coordinates of the building were shared twice, including just days ago, adding:

UNRWA shares coordinates of all its facilities across the Gaza Strip with parties to the conflict.
UNRWA also said it had received “extremely concerning” reports that Israeli Security Forces (ISF) had entered one UNRWA school and two UNRWA health centres in the Gaza Strip with tanks and used them for military operations.

It cited reports that the ISF “conducted interrogations and arrests” of internally displaced people in the installations, adding:

According to the reports, IDPs were subsequently forced to leave the UNRWA installations and move south towards Wadi Gaza. Witnesses reported that Israeli Forces then struck the two health centres with artillery fire. UNRWA is further verifying these reports. If confirmed, the military use of UNRWA facilities raises serious concerns, as such use puts civilians at serious risk of harm.

 
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This is Hamas still trying to play the old game. They used to get hundreds of Palestinians for one Israeli in exchanges. That is what the hostage taking Oct 7 was for. But it went so far over the top, that all that is gone.
Very well said and short and too the point.

Prior to the, as you put it, waaay over the top terror rampage, the Israelis were even releasing large numbers of HAMAS and other militant prisoners just to get the bodies of IDF soldiers back.

Early after 10/7, CNN broadcast an interview with HAMAS senior leader who was clearly un nerved that the
Israelis had ignored his repeated offers to release some hostages- if they just stopped the bombing.

No doubt, he expected a negotiated bombing halt to be followed by the SOP negotiations of "How much is hostage "H" worth to you? Check your fax machine- its coughing out a long list of names of the people we need back..."
 
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