Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #10

[Momoffourboys]

Live update: Rocket alarms sound in the Kissufim Gaza-border area

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724298657942667699

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Indeed.
Hahaha !
A little lightness is needed.

Despite the horrors that Hamas is inflicting on everyone there, including the babies at the hospital; laying them on a thin sheet on a table for a photo op ; with their electricity clearly working just fine.
It's not an insulting term to describe the lies coming from Hamas.
Omo.

Clear the IDF is correct about Hamas bunker beneath hospital.

There is no other strategy reason for IDF to waste resources and focus on a 100% civilian site.

No reason for Hamas to be so focused on this particular site for propaganda.

It’s a Trojan horse, certainly booby trapped.

Hamas has rigged hospital to be a no-win situation. Everyone in there will die at hands of Hamas which will point the finger at IDF.

Question is - can Hamas escape before they self detonate the whole area (already gone?).
Is this reason “only” 300 liters of fuel delivered? Is Hamas wanting several fuel tankers there to add fuel their explosion of hospital?

 

[PommyMommy]

33min ago

Rocket alarms sound in the Kissufim Gaza-border area​

This morning’s first rocket alert sounds, in the Kissufim area near the Gaza border.

Kissufim (Israel) - Google Maps

 

[Vern]

RSBM
Israel may have cut the power to Gaza, but I believe it's been proven Hamas commandeered the fuel.

I've posted all this in here before <modsnip>.

Palestinian Gaza has it's own power generating station. It has three water desalination plants.

Fact: Israel didn't cut their power rather those 4 plants are now out of fuel ... while Hamas still has plenty.

Fears grow people are dehydrating to death in Gaza as clean water runs out

UN agency warns residents exposed to cholera and dysentery as city’s last seawater desalination plant closes

www.theguardian.com

Gaza Water Desalination Plants, Health and Environmental Impact, Factsheet - November 2022 - occupied Palestinian territory

Analysis in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Health and Water Sanitation Hygiene; published on 13 Nov 2022 by Al Mezan

reliefweb.int

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleeast/gaza-water-access-supply-mapped-dg/index.html

Fact: Israel has stated many times that it would take an unconditional release of ALL of the hostages illegally taken (war crimes X 239 X how many days now) and forcibly relocated to Gaza (more war crimes X 239 X how many days now) for them to even consider allowing fuel through from Egypt. They've been saying this for weeks so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone; Hamas knows what the need to do but they won't do it because:

1) They don't care; and
2) They still have fuel.

War Crimes committed against Hostages by Hamas:
Illegally taken X 239 +
Forcibly Relocated X 239
478 Hostage related war crimes committed on Day 1 =
+ 239 Counts of not allowing access by the ICRC each day that passes
X 39 Days illegal captivity = 9321 more war crimes against hostages since 7 October 2023
= 9799 War Crimes against hostages thus far.
And I'm not even counting the raping of them, the parading of them, the abusing of them etc which are also war crimes.

I think I will start a daily ticker to keep count of that because it seems they've been overlooked in all of this. This is exactly why most governments have policies to "never negotiate with terrorists".

 

[JennieM]

No military or security solution - Jordan's King Abdullah​

Jordan's King Abdullah rejected any plans by Israel to occupy parts of Gaza or create security zones within the territory.

The monarch told senior politicians at the royal palace that there could be "no military or security solution" to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, state media reported.

He was quoted as saying that the root cause of the crisis was Israel's denial of Palestinians' "legitimate rights".

"The solution starts from there and any other path is doomed to failure and more of a cycle of violence anddestruction," he also said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel would have "overall security responsibility" for the Gaza Strip "for an indefinite period" during an interview last week.

Jordan is home to a large population of Palestinian refugees.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67400490

 

[JennieM]

Fuel shortage putting humanitarian operation in jeopardy - UN​

Getty ImagesCopyright: Getty Images
Hundreds of thousands of people are taking shelter in UNRWA facilities, including schools like the one pictured here

As we reported earlier, the UN's Palestinian refugee agency, UNRWA, says the fuel depot it has been using for supplies has run dry.

Its director of communications, Juliet Touma, has told the BBC this will put the largest humanitarian operation in the Gaza Strip "in jeopardy".

She says it means UNRWA won't be able to pick up aid supplies brought into to the territory by trucks form Egypt tomorrow morning.

Touma continues:

Quote Message: We will not be able to drive our cars and deliver flour to bakeries, we will not be able to give any fuel to medical facilities - we did that today, that was the last run.
We will not be able to drive our cars and deliver flour to bakeries, we will not be able to give any fuel to medical facilities - we did that today, that was the last run.

Quote Message: We have 780,000 people sheltering with us - we will not be able to serve them."
We have 780,000 people sheltering with us - we will not be able to serve them."

Touma says UNRWA has been using fuel from the private sector and also getting fuel from a depot in "close coordination" with the Israeli authorities, but now "even that has now run out".

Asked about the mechanisms the US has mentioned for resupplying fuel, she simply says: "We need fuel now, now."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67400490

 

[Vern]

I think more than a month after the electricity was cut, never has already arrived.

JMO

If the electricity was cut a month ago as you keep insisting, how were all the lights on, the cell phones charged up and the big screen rolling for them to be showing the 7 October Massacre for their movie night right outside the hospital the other night?

Or the power on just two days ago in the uncropped baby photo??

Surely you didn't miss all that?

Frankly, I'm gobsmacked that they didn't save the fuel that Movie Night consumed to enable them running those incubators a few days or hours longer. Priorities.

 

[JennieM]

24m ago

Five Palestinians killed in West Bank clashes, Israeli drone strike​

At least three Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli drone strike in the occupied West Bank, the Palestinians’ official news agency Wafa has reported, citing a hospital in the western city of Tulkarm.

Another two Palestinians were shot dead by Israeli troops during earlier clashes at a refugee camp in the city, Reuters reports citing Wafa.

AFP reported that five men, aged 21 to 29, had been killed during an Israeli military operation in Tulkarm, also citing a hospital director. It was not immediately clear if the five dead reported by AFP were the same as those reported by Wafa and Reuters.

AFP wrote:

Witnesses reported violent confrontations in the area and a massive deployment of Israeli soldiers seeking to make arrests.

The Israeli army confirmed to AFP that an operation had taken place in the same part of the occupied West Bank, but it did not give a reason or comment on any Palestinian casualties.

On Thursday, the Palestinian health ministry said that 14 people were killed in an Israeli operation in the city of Jenin - the highest West Bank death toll from a single raid since at least 2005, according to United Nations records.

Israel has occupied the West Bank since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war and its troops regularly launch raids across the Palestinian territory.

At least 180 Palestinians and three Israelis have been killed across the West Bank since October 7, according to officials on both sides.

IDF says it has entered Gaza’s largest hospital – as it happened

IDF forces say they are targeting Hamas ‘in a certain part of the Shifa hospital’ after Gaza’s health ministry said it was warned by Israel that it would raid the facility ‘within minutes’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Vern]

The video of the Zaka worker I posted earlier, he said some of the bodies at the kibbutzim were booby trapped.

South First Responders has a video of such a booby trap. Their link is in here plenty of times, but I'm not linking to that footage.

Did you know that booby traps and the setting of them are war crimes?

 

[JennieM]

38m ago

Fighting traps patients and medics in Gaza's largest hospital​

Patients and medics remain trapped in Gaza’s main hospital after days of fighting between Israeli troops and Hamas, as aid agencies warn that critically ill patients and babies are at risk of death due to lack of fuel and dwindling supplies of food and water.

Israel says Hamas’ headquarters are underneath the hospital, a charge Hamas and doctors at the facility have denied.

The Palestinian health ministry in the West Bank town of Ramallah on Monday said that at least nine patients and six children had died at al-Shifa hospital, formerly the cornerstone of Gaza’s health system, as a result of the fuel shortages and department closures after the hospital was encircled by Israeli forces.

“We have no generators as those need fuel to run. There is no food, no water, no electricity and no fuel in Shifa and we are here dealing with casualties,” Munir al-Boursh, a doctor who is also a Palestinian health ministry undersecretary, speaking from inside Dar al-Shifa hospital.

“We can’t manage this huge number of cases. If people come, we can’t do anything for them.”

He said the facility had intended to dig a mass grave until Israeli tanks and snipers encircled the the complex on Friday, making movement around it impossible.

“There are 110 dead bodies in front of the hospital, some in the refrigerator which isn’t functioning, and some just in the open space in front of the emergency unit. This could become a source of disease,” he said.

IDF says it has entered Gaza’s largest hospital – as it happened

IDF forces say they are targeting Hamas ‘in a certain part of the Shifa hospital’ after Gaza’s health ministry said it was warned by Israel that it would raid the facility ‘within minutes’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Vern]

On Sunday, the Israeli military said it put 300 liters of fuel at the entrance to the hospital complex, but claimed that Hamas had blocked the hospital from receiving it.

Abu Salmiya told Al Araby TV that staff had been too scared to go out to get it.

“We told the Israeli army that the 300 liters of fuel they offered is not enough to operate the hospital for 30 minutes,” he told CNN.

"All essential units have collapsed," Al-Shifa hospital director tells CNN

Conditions at the Al-Shifa hospital, the largest in Gaza, are "catastrophic" as essential units have collapsed, the facility's director told CNN.

edition.cnn.com

300 litres would have run those incubators for a whole long time though. Priorities.

 

[JennieM]

17m ago

Vivian Silver, a Canadian-Israeli peace activist believed to have been among the hostages taken by Hamas into Gaza on 7 October, was in fact killed in the initial attack, her family has told Canada’s CBC News.

Silver’s son Yonatan Zeigen confirmed to the broadcaster that his mother’s remains had been among those found at kibbutz Be’eri, where she lived, but had only now been identified.

Israeli-Canadian Vivian Silver, pictured here on a posted held by a protester in Jerusalem, was initially thought to have been kidnapped by Palestinian militants on 7 October. Photograph: Ahmad Gharabli/AFP/Getty Images

At least 120 other men, women and children were killed in the community of about 1,100 people located just kilometres from the Israel-Gaza border.

Many of the bodies found after the Hamas attack were badly burned or damaged and experts including forensic anthropologists have faced the difficult and lengthy process of trying to identify them. Some of them may never be identified, they have warned.

IDF says it has entered Gaza’s largest hospital – as it happened

IDF forces say they are targeting Hamas ‘in a certain part of the Shifa hospital’ after Gaza’s health ministry said it was warned by Israel that it would raid the facility ‘within minutes’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

South First Responders has a video of such a booby trap. Their link is in here plenty of times, but I'm not linking to that footage.

Did you know that booby traps and the setting of them are war crimes?

Thanks to you, now I do!

 

[Charlot123]

IMO They won’t release the female soldiers.

Afraid not. They are probably witnesses to the unthinkable. Scared to think of their fate.

 

[Vern]

Abu Salmiya said it was the presence of Israeli tanks that prevented collection.
“Of course, my paramedic team was completely afraid to go out,” he said, adding, “We want every drop of fuel, but I told (the IDF) that it should be sent through the International Red Cross or through any international institution.”

November 12, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Gaza's largest hospital is in a "catastrophic situation" amid heavy fighting nearby, health officials say.

edition.cnn.com

So they'd rater cut off the incubators of babies. Priorities.

 

[JennieM]

Doctor says 'catastrophic' situation at hospital in central Gaza​

Dr Ebrahem Matar is a heart specialist in the intensive care unit at the Aqsa Martyrs' hospital - the only medical centre in the middle area of the Gaza Strip.

"The whole hospital right now is full of wounded people and it is also full of refugees who took the hospital as a shelter because they lost their houses," the doctor told BBC's Newsday programme.

Dr Matar said there was only one operating room and limited number of staff.
"It is catastrophic and it is difficult. We see patients deteriorate due to the continuous pain and the continuous resistant infections.

"The hospital is in one of the areas the Israeli army has told Palestinians to flee to.

"We are in the middle area of the Gaza strip. Most of the invasion is still in Gaza City. So it is quiet here. But the pressure of work inside the hospital is too much barely we find the time to sleep at least.

"The food is getting less, water is also getting less."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67400490

 

[Vern]

BBM. ALL of the U.S. media are asking for proof--and have made it very clear in their coverage-- that they have received no proof whatsoever.

JMO

Good. It's Top secret Int.

The US Government has seen it and that's all that really matters. The rest of us will see it when we see it.

Divulging Int and HUMINT sources puts troops and civilians at risk ... when that risk is over, we'll see it.

Just like prosecutors don't put their evidence out prior to the trial. This is a war.

 

[Vern]

So they basically wanted a third party to actually deliver it?

A third party being the ICRC at that; the ICRC has proved pretty lax in going against Hamas being that they haven't even managed to get in to see the hostages as required by International Law yet.

Perhaps the hospital staff was actualy more afraid of the Hamas terrorists seen on film actually FIRING RPGs FROM the front doors of the hospital at the tanks.

 

[Brightchaser47]

How are these hospitals without power contacting the media?

 

[Brightchaser47]

A third party being the ICRC at that; the ICRC has proved pretty lax in going against Hamas being that they haven't even managed to get in to see the hostages as required by International Law yet.

RSBM
Thought we decided International Law didn't apply to Hamas. It hasn't so far, anyway...